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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
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>>>The east is now in a extreme drought and we ain't seen nothing yet.<<<
Not the first time, and probably not the last.
William Thomas is a former (terminated) journalist for Enviromental News Service. I doubt his name has even been mentioned on "Rush."
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Nirvana
Joined: 01 Nov 2001
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Location: Seattle, WA |
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Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:44 pm
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Dear Deb. I've seen the chemtrail patterns and results many times. I believe this to be no hoax or mass hallucination. I do respect your opinion though. Skepticism is necessary for real science.
As for Mr. Thomas, his story sounded pretty intriguing and worth listening to me regardless of his background.
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Dan Rockwell
Joined: 10 Dec 2001
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Location: Stamford, CT, USA |
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Sat Mar 02, 2002 10:02 am
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Here is some information that I think was mentioned by Thomas and was also written in that article "STORMY WEATHER" about Chemtrails. It is a product that is made by a company called DYN O MAT and called Dyn-O-Storm. Below is what I found when I clicked on the product information. Mix this stuff with barium stearite and aluminum oxide and you have a real mess.
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As the sun rose on July 19, 2001, Peter J. Cordani and his team of experts were busy loading 8,000 pounds of Dyn-O-MatŪ formulated polymer product into a Canberra jet airplane. Yes! Similar test had been performed whereby the team split a fair weather cloud in half and they later took a whole cloud out of the atmosphere utilizing only 300 pounds of product dispersed by a crop duster. But now it was different! This was the big test that everyone had been working for. Would it work?? As the day continued final radio preparations were made that would allow communication between the Canberra jet, the chase plane, the boats, the controllers located in the Palm Beach International Airport tower and ground crews. All details were completed and now the entire team awaited the word from the tower that they had in fact located a building thunderstorm off the coast of Jupiter, Florida.
At approximately 3 pm EST the word came from the tower and the Canberra and the jet chase plane were cleared for take off. With runway in view the entire team looked on as the planes became airborne. The teams prayers, beliefs and hard work was now in the hands of the pilots.
As the plane became airborne, radio communications began between the tower, the planes and the ground crew. The planes were vectored by tower controllers to the thunderstorm which had been sited prior to takeoff. As the pilots sited the storm, they notified the tower and positioned themselves which would allow them to drop their payload.
THEN THE COMMAND FROM THE CHASE PLANE CAME,
"DROP YOUR PAYLOAD."
The product was released and word came from the controllers in the Palm Beach International Airport Tower: It's gone! The storm was on the radar screen and within seconds it disappeared. The event was also documented by local TV weather departments. The celebration began as all waited anxiously for the planes return. In searching the sky, the planes were sited and minutes later safely on the ground.
http://www.dynomat.com/storm.shtml
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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
Posts: 163
Location: Plainfield, Indiana USA |
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Sat Mar 02, 2002 10:54 am
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Well, I guess mainstream media aren't the only ones who twist reporting or misquote people to their advantage. One thing I've found this past 3 years is that legitimate people will answer your inquiries. As I asked above, has any one had any one-on-one contact with William Thomas?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Caldeira
To: D. Phalen
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: program [using massive spraying for weather modification]
Dear Deb,
I have no knowledge of the "Chemtrail/Contrail" controversy other than what I have seen at that web site. I did speak to someone on the phone and did take part in a published study on Geoengineering.
Here at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, we performed a computer simulation of the effect of reducing solar radiation incident on Earth's surface to counteract the CO2 greenhouse effect.
I said that we originally did the study to try to show that Lowell Wood and Edward Teller were wrong. They proposed that scattering or reflecting sunlight could largely reverse the climate impacts of global warming. I thought that this was wrong because the seasonal and latitudinal pattern of radiative forcing by a change in solar radiation is very different than that produced by CO2 in the atmosphere.
To our surprise, we found that in our model this geoengineering scheme worked quite well. Nevertheless, in our last paragraph of our paper, we do list many reasons why this might not be a good idea, and suggest that the best course is to reduce CO2 emissions to the atmosphere.
We never mentioned, nor do I know anything about, health effects from aluminum oxide.
I said, perhaps too flippantly, that I did hear rumors that some geoengineering research would be funded next year as a backstop failure technology, but that it probably wouldn't happen because it could be political suicide [i.e., it could get bad press, and funding this probably wouldn't win anybody any votes].
I also said that I don't believe there is any large-scale secret geoengineering research program. If there was such a program, how come a guy [like myself] who is in touch with the main proponents of this concept [Lowell Wood and Edward Teller] isn't getting any money from it? I think if there was such a program, people at this lab [which does all kinds of secret nuclear weapons work] would be getting money from it.
Cheers,
Ken
Dear Dr. Caldeira:
An article appeared recently in a publication, Columbus Alive by Bob Fritakis and Fritz Chess, titled Stormy Weather -The government's top-secret efforts to control Mother Nature, where you were quoted.
http://www.columbusalive.com/2001/20011206/120601/12060101.html
I was alarmed to see you quoted in relation to the chemtrail/contrail controversy, especially when several mistruth are written in the same piece.
Would you be kind enough to clarify for me exactly what you meant and how does your work apply to "chemtrails?" Were you indeed confirming that such a project exists and has been and continues to be utilized for the past 3+ years over the United States?
>>>Ken Caldeira, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore Labs and one of the country's leading experts on weather modification, conducted the original computer modeling for the use of aluminum oxide to fight global warming. He told Columbus Alive, "We originally did this study to show that this program [using massive spraying for weather modification] shouldn't be done," due to negative health effects. Caldeira said there are persistent rumors that the Bush administration will announce geo-engineering weather modification projects this spring. Caldeira sees this as "political suicide."<<<
Thank you in advance for your assistance, I am
Sincerely,
Deb Phalen
Plainfield, IN
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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
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Location: Plainfield, Indiana USA |
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Sat Mar 02, 2002 11:22 am
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Dan, the summer of 2000 we experienced a mild drouight here in central Indiana. My husband and I are avid gardners and pump water from our creek to water, but that year the creek was not giving.
When the Dyno-Gel story broke, I perused their website and bought some with the hope of aiding some of my shrubbery in the event of the drought continuing into the 2001 growing season. But the rain came and I didn't have to use it. In fact, last year was the best growing season we've had in 8 years and we didn't have to pump from the creek not once. The product is still in my garage.
>>"Mix this stuff with barium stearite and aluminum oxide and you have a real mess"<<
If the inventors of Dyno-Gel/Mat were producing and selling this stuff to anybody for the use you suggest, I doubt they would be selling the product from a website. With the magnitude of "chemtrails," they'd be sitting around counting their dollars. The product was intended for industrial spills, and like any inventor, they continued to address other possible applications.
Considering the cost for the experiment to test their product on that storm, I would bet many press releases were sent out. The story made national news, and was posted on every "chemtrail" website and message board that day. |
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hitech_46253
Joined: 16 May 2001
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Location: Indianapolis, IN U.S. |
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 8:02 pm
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Standard Deb Disclaimer:
Deb Phalen is a frustrated housewife in Plainfield IN. She changed her views on 'CHEMTRAILS' just after reporting a car in her driveway with blacked out windows. She herself felt this was a FED trying to disuade her from reporting on Carnicom's website. Since this incident, she has consistently denied anything or any EVIDENCE that would verify government spraying programs. Even though the government has ADMITTED several programs involving Weather Modification, Chem/Bio experimentation, Barium for 3D radar imaging etc. Her views are consistently pro FED, anti-militia in nature suporting our current CORRUPT PROPAGANDA. CIA has many on their payroll supporting DIS-INFORMATION. She operates more than one site spewing her B.S. My wife and I personally met with this fruit loop here in Indiana. For more info on her, you are welcome to email us at: hitech@smithville.net |
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defender
Joined: 27 Oct 2000
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Mon Mar 04, 2002 10:19 pm
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BTW, posting some correspondence between two people who 'don't believe' in chemtrails may look impressive to you, but it proves nothing. You can find people to support anything if you look long enough. You can use all the charts and graphs and quotes and contrail photos you want, it doesn't change the fact that CHEMtrails are real. They're not routine flights or airshows or swamp gas or contrails or anything else you might want us to believe. We must have at least as many 'experts' (and many more witnesses) to prove chemtrails, as you can find to 'prove' to us they don't exist.
The fact that they are denied and/or ignored by a media that is government-controlled, IMO only adds more to the high probability and likelihood that they do exist. Most of us already know they're real because we've seen them. No letter or letters posted by 'debunkers' or media sources will change my mind or anyone else who has seen chemtrails like the photo on the homepage of this website.
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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
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Location: Plainfield, Indiana USA |
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Tue Mar 05, 2002 3:17 am
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Evidence presented by me is true, factual (not opinion), tangible and verifiable. I can only present it, but I can't give you the ability to understand it.
Ken Caldeira from Lawrence Livermore was the scientist misquoted in the Columbus Alive article. I wrote to him; he answered. When in doubt, I contact the source, which I don't see too many people do - it's easier to 'believe.' I did not post the CA article. What do Will Thomas and Fritakis have in common? They are radical Greens. If that's your cup of tea, fine, but why twist, misquote and fabricate? Why believe anyone who misquotes, twists or fabricates? It's been my experience that if someone will lie about one thing, they will lie about another.
Yes, please do write Larry Lawson or visit his website. He has toned it down quite a bit, but if you read into the archives, his opinions are pretty clear and demonstrated by the way he lives. He certainly does "walk the talk." |
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Nirvana
Joined: 01 Nov 2001
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Location: Seattle, WA |
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Tue Mar 05, 2002 6:37 am
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Deb writes:
<< One thing I've found this past 3 years is that legitimate people will answer your inquiries. >>
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh would answer my inquiries? If not, then I would certainly KNOW that he is not legitimate. What an easy test...
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defender
Joined: 27 Oct 2000
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Tue Mar 05, 2002 7:00 am
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Posting some correspondence between two people who 'don't believe' in chemtrails may look impressive to you, but it proves nothing... it's not evidence because you wrote a letter to someone and they wrote back.
I don't try to understand double-speak and I don't post it and then try to pass it off as 'factual and true' evidence either, (like some of the CON-trail artists creeping in here at CC). Why do some of them try to act like 'cut & paste' is a bad thing? It must be because they can't find enough info or evidence out there to back their phony claims that CHEMtrails are contrails.
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"legitimate people"  You mean, like Rush Limbaugh? lol
Flush Rush and that weasel on 'Politically Incorrect', they're both (ABC... not you ABC123, the CIA network) disinfo scumbags... just different sides of the same coin, (IMO) .
One supports the republican crooks, and the other supports the democratic crooks, and we're all supposed to listen in and get all upset about those fascist 'conservatives' and those 'bleeding heart liberals', while they laugh all the way to the bank!
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Deb
Joined: 04 Oct 2001
Posts: 163
Location: Plainfield, Indiana USA |
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Tue Mar 05, 2002 1:54 pm
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>>>"Posting some correspondence between two people who 'don't believe' in chemtrails may look impressive to you, but it proves nothing... "<<<
Dr. Caldeira wrote:
"I have no knowledge of the "Chemtrail/Contrail" controversy other than what I have seen at that web site. (he's referring to link in the e-mail to the Columbus Alive article.)
Until he received my e-mail, he had no knowledge of the 'controversy.'
I don't use 'double-speak' to present my case. Anyone with Internet access can get the same information. |
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hitech_46253
Joined: 16 May 2001
Posts: 499
Location: Indianapolis, IN U.S. |
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Tue Mar 05, 2002 3:31 pm
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Standard Deb Disclaimer:
Deb Phalen is a frustrated housewife in Plainfield IN. She changed her views on 'CHEMTRAILS' just after reporting a car in her driveway with blacked out windows. She herself felt this was a FED trying to disuade her from reporting on Carnicom's website. Since this incident, she has consistently denied anything or any EVIDENCE that would verify government spraying programs. Even though the government has ADMITTED several programs involving Weather Modification, Chem/Bio experimentation, Barium for 3D radar imaging etc. Her views are consistently pro FED, anti-militia in nature suporting our current CORRUPT PROPAGANDA. CIA has many on their payroll supporting DIS-INFORMATION. She operates more than one site spewing her B.S. My wife and I personally met with this fruit loop here in Indiana. For more info on her, you are welcome to email us at: hitech@smithville.net |
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Wingmaker
Joined: 07 Mar 2002
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Location: LaMesa, CA 91941 |
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 4:34 pm
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I spoke to a friend in Sedona,AZ. She said there has been three to four days of consistant chemtrails. she has been sick, headache and energy depleted. Are the chemtrails prominent where there are sacred sites? |
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KrissaTMC2
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
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Location: Greenwich, CT, USA |
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Fri Mar 08, 2002 5:29 am
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Wingmaker, as far as I know, everyone and everything is getting sprayed, not just
sacred sites. |
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