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Climate Engineering Is Doable, as Long as We Never Stop

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Climate Engineering Is Doable, as Long as We Never Stop PostWed Jul 25, 2007 9:12 pm  Reply with quote  

Trolls STOP..Read This ! I am not advocating this as a reasonable course of action....because it is not. Notice there is no discussion of human health or ecological consequences of adding these "aerosols" to the atmosphere. They also don't address the consequences of the acidification of the world's oceans if CO2 levels continue to rise.

So here's the mainstream media reporting on a subject that is near and dear to the heart of those visiting this board.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3412543&page=1

Climate Engineering Is Doable, as Long as We Never Stop


Scientists have discovered a way to fix the global warming dilemma -- maybe

By ERIC SMALLEY
July 25, 2007

New research indicates that hacking the atmosphere -- pumping microscopic particles into the stratosphere or clouds to block sunlight and offset global warming caused by greenhouse gases -- is imminently possible. The problem is we could never, ever stop doing it.

Climate scientists Damon Matthews of Concordia University and Ken Caldeira of Stanford ran the numbers on atmospheric geo-engineering through a climate simulation and found that while cranking out carbon dioxide at business-as-usual rates we can geo-engineer our way back toward pre-industrial temperatures in short order, reaching 1900 levels in about five years. Not only that, it would be fairly cheap and easy to do.

Pumping 20 to 25 liters of aerosols per second to keep enough particles in the stratosphere would cool temperatures, causing the planet's carbon sinks to suck more carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

"That kind of flow rate can be handled by a single fire hose," said Caldeira. "For something like $100 million a year you could probably keep a hose in the stratosphere suspended by an array of balloons with pumps along the way."

The problem is what happens if we stop short or screw it up.

Bring the geo-engineering process to a halt, and those sun-warmed carbon sinks spit the carbon dioxide right back into the atmosphere. The rebound warming, to temperatures that would have been reached without the geo-engineering, would be 10 to 20 times the pace of today's global warming. The rapid warming, up to 7 degrees Fahrenheit per decade, would wreak havoc on the planet and threaten civilization.

To prevent disaster, the geo-engineering process would have to continue as long as carbon-dioxide levels were elevated. A quarter of the carbon dioxide that comes out of your car's tailpipe is still in the atmosphere a thousand years later, Caldeira said.

"We've never had systems work for a thousand years without failure," he added.

Even without technical failures, other circumstances including a world war, economic collapse or a simple change of political will could turn off the hose.

Matthews and Caldeira's study underscores the need for any country that attempts geo-engineering to make a durable and long-term commitment to the effort, said David Victor, an energy and sustainable development specialist at Stanford Law School. "It's a bit like riding a bicycle down a steep hill without brakes," he said.

The idea of injecting particles into the stratosphere to block sunlight has hovered just beyond the bounds of scientific respectability since Soviet climatologist Mikhail Budyko first suggested it in the '70s. That changed last year when Nobel laureate Paul Crutzen published an essay calling for scientists to seriously consider the possibility.

But studying geo-engineering is not the same as doing it, and Crutzen said that this latest research shows the significant risks involved in counteracting global warming induced by carbon dioxide. "Far better to reduce the emissions of CO2," he said.

For Caldeira the danger is not in geo-engineering itself but in the risk that politicians will turn to it to avoid the hard work of transforming our energy and transportation systems. "If somebody is driving an SUV, I would be against deploying geo-engineering. If there is a coal-fired power plant still spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, I would be against geo-engineering."

We should think of geo-engineering only as a parachute, said Caldeira. It's something you desperately hope you never need.
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PostThu Jul 26, 2007 2:07 am  Reply with quote  

Total BS propoganda at its finest. Exactly what I predicted on this forum that the "expert scientists" would come out with in order to "justify" lacing the atmosphere with aerosol spraying, and use disinformation to ridicule those of us who KNOW they are using these aerosols to manipulate the weather, not to combat global warming but to enhance it, re-engineer the planet and use weather warfare to destroy the little people and as a means of total global domination.

Look at the UK, getting blitzed by weather warfare, floods, driving people from their homes and destroying infrastructure. Just like in the US, creating droughts, fires, and flooding. Load the sky with barium salts, soak up all the moisture, and move it anywhere you want to with HAARP, dumping it on populations in buckets. Have intense cloud cover over the entire country with no rain in the West and South, but massive fires raging, destroying homes, forests, everything. This moves people off their land and into other designated areas. Brassrat put up a link to the EPA's white paper on NANOTECHNOLOGY, and it states that we are breathing in these nanoparticles, that get lodged in our lungs and bloodstream. Doctors can't see it or detect it.

Here where I live, after intense spraying the temperatures always soar, when they don't spray we get cooler weather. Right now, they have sprayed so intensely, the temps are in the 80's but the humidity is low, not normal for our area. They are sucking the moisture right out of the sky with their nano-particles including nano-polymers which this paper admits scientists already have and are already using. The sky is a complete whiteout and thick.

These "GLOBAL SCIENTISTS" are the ones destroying the Earth and its atmosphere and we are their pawns in this global game of chess. Mr. Crutzen isn't guessing at anything, he ain't that stupid and those who think these guys are just floundering around, are totally blind to the truth of the advanced technologies these scientists possess and are using against the people.
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PostThu Jul 26, 2007 4:06 am  Reply with quote  

Dear SORE THROAT. you are the troll.

Anything from the mainstream media is total garbage.

that is all.
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A sunshade for the planet PostMon Jul 30, 2007 11:54 pm  Reply with quote  

Not even an original title. A subscription is required for the full article. It looks like geoengineering is heating up....or should we say, the public discussion of such.

"Tricks"...scientists have "tricks" up their sleeve? Sounds like a Halloween prank on a planetary scale!


http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19526131.700-a-sunshade-for-the-planet.html


A sunshade for the planet

21 July 2007
David L. Chandler
Magazine issue 2613

EVEN with the best will in the world, reducing our carbon emissions is not going to prevent global warming. It has become clear that even if we take the most drastic measures to curb emissions, the uncertainties in our climate models still leave open the possibility of extreme warming and rises in sea level. At the same time, resistance by governments and special interest groups makes it quite possible that the actions advocated by climate scientists might not be implemented soon enough.

Fortunately, if the worst comes to the worst, scientists still have a few tricks up their sleeves. For the most part they have strongly resisted discussing these options for fear of inviting a sense of complacency that might thwart efforts to tackle the root of the problem.Until now, that is.

A growing number of researchers are taking a fresh look at large-scale "geoengineering" projects that might be used to counteract global warming. "I use the analogy of methadone," says Stephen Schneider, a climate researcher at Stanford University in California who was among the first to draw attention to global warming. "If you have a heroin addict, the correct treatment is hospitalisation, therapy and a long rehab. But if they absolutely refuse, methadone is better than heroin."

Basically the idea is to apply "sunscreen" to the whole planet. It's controversial, but recent studies suggest there are ways to deflect just enough of the sunlight reaching the Earth's surface to counteract the warming produced by the greenhouse effect. Global climate models show that blocking just 1.8 per cent of the incident energy in the sun's rays would cancel out the warming effects produced by a doubling of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That could be crucial, because even the most stringent emissions-control measures being proposed would leave us with a doubling of carbon dioxide by the end of this century, and that would last for at least a century more.

The concept of a technological fix is not new (New Scientist, 27 March 2004, p 26). While most remedies have focused on combating greenhouse gases themselves - finding ...

The complete article is 2523 words long.
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PostTue Jul 31, 2007 12:06 am  Reply with quote  

Pure and total BS, they are now giving us a lie to hide the fact that they are using weather modification against the population, along with geo-engineering of the planet, to reduce populations and cull us into herds. A sunscreen. What a joke. They are actually heating up the planet, sucking moisture from areas causing droughts and fires, and then dumping the excess moisture to cause flooding. A CO2 increase could never pick and choose areas so precisely as this weather modification is able to achieve. And, ain't it a coincidence that we all exhale CO2. MY MY MY.

Weird viruses do not just start "sprouting" up in places unless they have been put there which is happening all over. while these disinfo scientists try to say it's because of global warming. AND we know they can do this as the scientists have admitted they can manufacture any virus in a LAB. They resurected the Spanish Flu and made it even more deadly than ever - but, they would NEVER release such diseases. Even though, my FAVORITE guy, Prince Phillip DREAMED of coming back as a virus to reduce populations. A real sweetheart.
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PostTue Jul 31, 2007 4:24 am  Reply with quote  

Without chemtrails being added to the equation of GLOBAL WARMING, you have no argument SORE THROAT

ohh wait, you think chemtrails are to combat GLOBAL WARMING Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostTue Jul 31, 2007 12:50 pm  Reply with quote  

As good ole GW says "repetition, repetition, I gotta catapult the propoganda to get my point across".

And Global Warming is the new war cry of the Nazi Propogandists. AFter all, they wouldn't spray us children unless it was for our own good. And Ally Gory has his hands all soaked in oil as much as GW. This ain't about oil.
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PostTue Jul 31, 2007 2:43 pm  Reply with quote  

About weather modification though.........

Here's quite an interesting link on that and could explain a lot to rejecters of atmospheric alteriation with technologies available today.
I think it's better for mankind to be OPEN and AWARE of REAL POSSIBILITIES.

http://pesn.com/2005/09/06/9600160_Weather_Modification/

Some exerpts.......


But such theoretical reports have a tendency to be implemented behind the scenes, even while being denied in public. In his article The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use, professor and independent analyst Michel Chossudovsky cites other official documents to arrive at his conclusions that weaponized weather control is already in use. He also explores how public opinion is being misled. At the time this was written, the UN was avoiding dealing with the issue of deliberate human-caused climate change. (Ref.)

More recently, the UN has showed more concern about weather and climate change. In July of 2004, they granted official advisory status to the Planetary Association for Clean Energy (PACE), which served as "NGO in Special Consultative Status with Economic and Social Council of the United Nations". PACE members with scientific expertise have been doing analyses and opinion concerning the overriding nature of the climate-change issue. (Ref.)


Covert Harassment of Humanity?

Evidence from the environment and from independent researchers and analysts suggest that this type of weather control is already being exercised as – in effect – a weapon of mass destruction. Public disclosure occurred at an April 1997 counter-terrorism conference. Secretary of Defense William Cohen stated:

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations and it's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." (Ref.)

According to Lt.Col. (Ret'd) Tom Bearden, the Russians developed weather control several decades ago, and have been using it over North America since 1976. Using over-the-horizon (OTH) radar, the beams are transmitted in the 3-30 megaHertz band. His website explores the theory of scalar interferometry, and explains how such beams can be used to direct the weather patterns as well as to transmit disease patterns of interaction to cells of living beings, affecting bio-electrical functioning. (Ref.) No chemicals are necessary to cause disruption of living tissues, if this alarming theory is true.

Bearden also alleges that after the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russian scientists sold this technology to other hostile elements such as the Yakusa. And Russia continues to operate its “Woodpecker” system. In his view, it is these outside rogue weather controllers working hard to make our lives difficult by causing storms and droughts. However, some of these economically displaced Russian scientists are attempting to benefit humanity and agriculture. One group ended up in Mexico, where they have built an effective rainmaking system that has gained the blessing of that country. Mexico plans to have 19 more of these rainmaking stations installed in the dry north by 2006. (Ref.)

Looks like a plausible possibility to me.
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