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FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe
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Brand New Chemtrail Forum Looking For Real People
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This post is for all the lurkers, the newbies, and those on the fence. If you are fed up with crazy believers and closed-minded debunkers please sign up and contribute what you can.
Here are two posts I made today I am proud of. The first one, you probably heard about. The second I bet is a scoop.
Chemtrail Story #1
NASA CHEMTRAIL SUBLIMINALS
quote: Originally posted by socrates NASA's S'COOL Cloud Types Tutorial
quote: Cloud Types
Introduction
Clouds are classified into twelve types. The names used for the clouds are based on three factors: the altitude at which the cloud occurs, the shape of the cloud, and whether the cloud is producing precipitation. This tutorial will help you learn about the different cloud types so that you can make accurate observations for the Students’ Cloud Observations On-Line (S’COOL) project.
There are three altitude ranges, or cloud levels. The height of the cloud base determines a cloud’s level. Clouds with a base below 2,000 meters are considered low-level clouds. Clouds with a base between 2,000 and 6,000 meters are mid-level clouds. Those with a base above 6,000 meters are considered high-level clouds.
In 1803, Luke Howard classified four main cloud types with Latin terms. Cumulus means “pile” and describes heaped, lumpy clouds. Cirrus means “curl of hair” and is used to name clouds that look like wispy locks of hair. Featureless clouds that form sheets are named stratus, meaning “layer.” Howard used the term nimbus, which means “cloud,” to name low, gray rain clouds.
* Low-Level Clouds
* Mid-Level Clouds
* High-Level Clouds
* Multi-Level Clouds
* Determining Cloud Level
Low-Level Clouds
These pictures show examples of low-level clouds. The Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System (CERES) satellite cannot distinguish between individual cloud types at this level, but calls all of them “low, water clouds.” There is a continuum among these low-level cloud types, ranging from overcast, to nearly overcast, to individual clouds. This range of low-level clouds is explained in more detail in the next sections.
True stratus clouds are uniform and featureless. The sky looks flat and uniform in all directions, appearing white or gray rather than blue. Generally these clouds obscure the Sun so that its location cannot be pinpointed. When this condition occurs, the cloud is said to be opaque.
Fog is a special kind of stratus cloud: one that is low enough to touch the ground. It offers students a good personal experience of what a cloud feels like. In addition, it allows students to experience some of the conditions necessary for cloud formation, such as water vapor and cool temperatures.
Stratocumulus clouds have both layered and puffy characteristics. Cloud cover tends to be mostly cloudy to overcast, but distinct cloud pieces are visible, in contrast to the uniform and flat character of stratus clouds. There may be areas of clear blue sky, but the clouds appear to be part of a large cloud system. These clouds are common in marine and coastal areas.
Cumulus clouds are puffy, individual clouds typically associated with fair weather. They are the most common type of cloud and are often described as having a popcorn-like or cotton ball appearance. They are made of water droplets and generally have sharp outlines. Cumulus clouds occur in a variety of shapes and sizes, and with a little imagination, you can see all sorts of interesting things in these clouds.
Clouds that produce precipitation are designated with the Latin prefix nimbo-.
Nimbostratus is a layered, uniform, rain cloud. A cloud can quickly change to or from nimbostratus; that is, it can quickly start or stop raining during your observations. In a situation like that, you can pick a cloud type and make a note in the comments about intermittent rain. These clouds are generally very dark, and are associated with large areas of continuous rain. Nimbostratus can also produce snow or sleet.
Cumulonimbus clouds are convective, meaning that they are formed by the upward movement of warm air currents. They are accompanied by compensating downdrafts of cold air. These clouds are most common in warm and humid weather and can produce thunder, lightning, heavy rain, hail, strong winds, and tornadoes. They can extend through a large part of the atmosphere. They can even extend beyond the tropopause, which is the boundary between the troposphere (where we live and where all weather occurs) and the stratosphere (where the ozone layer is). Despite this range of cloud vertical development, as long as the base of the cloud is below 2,000 meters, it is considered a low-level cloud.
Mid-Level Clouds
There are two mid-level cloud types, designated by the prefix alto-: altocumulus (puffy) and altostratus (layered). Mid-level clouds may be made up of ice crystals at the higher altitudes, but they are more often composed of water droplets.
Altocumulus clouds are a mid-level version of cumulus clouds, consisting of cloud puffs. This cloud type sometimes appears like dozens of small, loose bands or ripples like waves on a sea. These clouds are often associated with the approach of a weather front, and may be an indicator of rain on the way.
Altostratus clouds are the mid-level version of stratus clouds. They are uniform and diffuse, with little appearance of individual cloud pieces. The sky appears gray or blue-gray, and sunlight is diffused, as though seen through water or frosted glass. When the cloud partially blocks the Sun in this way, the cloud is said to be translucent.
High-Level Clouds
High-level cloud types are identified with the prefix cirro-: cirrus (thin and wispy), cirrostratus (layered), and cirrocumulus (puffy). Because all high-level clouds are made of ice particles rather than water droplets, they have a fairly distinct appearance. The boundaries of ice clouds tend to be more diffuse, or fuzzier, than the generally sharp boundaries of water clouds. They can also produce optical effects such as halos and sun dogs.
Cirrus clouds are the classic and distinct high-level cloud. They are sometimes called “mare’s tails” because they appear to be brushed across the sky and are hair-like in appearance. Curled ends are common in this cloud type. They are usually quite thin and wispy, and blue sky is visible through portions of the cloud. These clouds are generally white.
Cirrostratus clouds are the high-level version of stratus. They are sheet-like, nearly transparent clouds that cover a large part of the sky. When these clouds are present, the Sun may appear to be surrounded by a colored halo due to refraction of light by the ice particles in the cloud.
Cirrocumulus clouds are the high-level cumulus clouds. They are thin ice clouds that have a patchy or wavelike appearance.
Contrails, or condensation trails, are clouds created by airplanes. They are also found at the high level. Students often mistakenly assume that contrails are smoke and exhaust from an airplane, but contrails are actually clouds formed when the tiny particles (aerosols) and warm water vapor in the plane’s exhaust combine with the ambient water vapor to form ice crystals. The presence and character of contrails can tell us about the state of the atmosphere along the plane’s flight path. If the air is very dry and there is not enough water vapor to condense, no cloud forms. If the air is a little moister, a contrail may form and quickly evaporate (which is called a short-lived contrail). If the air contains enough water vapor, a contrail may form and remain for hours (known as a persistent contrail), or even spread to cover very large areas. Researchers are very interested in these clouds that humans cause. When making cloud observations, you should therefore note the presence and number of contrails.
Multi-Level Clouds
Some scientists estimate that as much as half the time, more than one cloud level is present in the sky. When you observe multiple cloud levels, you should record the cloud information for each level of cloud that you see—but be careful to distinguish between different cloud levels and the possible occurrence of more than one layer of cloud within a given level. When more than one layer of stratus cloud occurs, for example, you may just note this in the comments.
If a thick, overcast, low layer is present, then you obviously cannot observe anything about the presence or absence of upper level clouds. In situations like these, the surface and satellite observations are very complementary: the satellite observes from above and will see any upper layer clouds, and the observers on the ground can see the lower level clouds.
Determining Cloud Level
A good way to determine the level of cumulus clouds is to assess the size of the individual cloud elements. Low-level cumulus clouds are about the same size, or larger than, your fist held at arms’ length. One exception to this rule is when a small cumulus cloud is developing or evaporating. In that case, its direction or speed of motion may indicate that it is in the same layer as nearby larger cumulus clouds. Mid-level cumulus clouds are farther away and the individual cloud pieces appear substantially smaller, about the size of your thumb at arms’ length. High-level cumulus clouds are smaller still, with individual cloud pieces about the size of the nail on your little finger at arms’ length.
Stratus clouds have no distinct cloud pieces to measure. For these clouds, a general rule is that cloud opacity tends to decrease with height. Thus, low-level clouds are generally thicker than mid-level clouds, and a high-level cirrostratus is very thin. Thus, by observing how much the cloud obscures the Sun, you can estimate the level of a stratus cloud.
If there is precipitation, the chances are very good that you are dealing with a low-level cloud. Mid-level clouds occasionally precipitate, but this is a rare occurrence.
The CERES S'COOL Project
Students' Cloud Observations On-Line
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Cloud Photo Gallery
quote: On the way to school this morning we saw this persistant contrail, with a lower altitude contrail crossing it. The different wind speeds and directions at different altitudes were evident.
(Photo submitted by Peru Central School, Peru, NY.)
+ Send your entries to the S'COOL team here
RULES:We will select one photo each month to be featured on the S'COOL website. Teachers and students are invited to submit an interesting cloud photo with a detailed caption. Please only send one photo each month. Photographs without captions will not be considered.
Chemtrail Story #2
ARE CHEMTRAILS GONNA BE EXPOSED SOON???
quote: Originally posted by socrates I thought I'd try something new. I found a chemtrail forum which seems to probably have a boatload of good info. I can't vouch for it all, because I don't know Italian.
sciechimiche.org
I am simply going to try my best to translate what comes out of the archaic, robotic, internet, translating machines. Here goes. Wait a sec, I just found an English version for the link given below to the European Parliament website. The forum comments, I'll try to translate as best I can.
Subject: Dutch interrogation presented to the European Parliament
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posted by tupix: In May, the European Parliament was interrogated by the Dutch about the chemical trails:
European Parliament
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Parliamentary questions
10 May 2007
E-2455/07
WRITTEN QUESTION by Erik Meijer (GUE/NGL) to the Commission
Subject: Aircraft condensation trails which no longer only contain water but cause persistent milky veils, possibly due to the presence of barium, aluminium and iron
1. Is the Commission aware that, since 1999, members of the public in Canada and the USA have been complaining about the growing presence in the air of aircraft condensation trails of a new type, which sometimes persist for hours and which spread far more widely than in the past, creating milky veils which are dubbed ‘aerial obscuration’, and that the new type has particularly come to people's attention because it is so different from the short, pencil-thin white contrails which have been a familiar sight ever since jet engines came into use and which remain visible for 20 minutes at most and can only be produced if steam condenses on dust particles due to low temperatures and high humidity?
2. Is the Commission aware that investigations by these complainants, observations by pilots and statements by government bodies increasingly suggest that what is happening is that aircraft are emitting into dry air small particles consisting of barium, aluminium and iron, a phenomenon which in public debate in America has come to be known as chemtrails?
3. Unlike contrails, chemtrails are not an inevitable by-product of modern aviation. Does the Commission know, therefore, what is the purpose of artificially emitting these Earth-derived substances into the Earth's atmosphere? Does it help to cause rain, benefit telecommunications or combat climate change?
4. To what extent are aerial obscuration and chemtrails now also being employed in the air over Europe, bearing in mind that many people here too are now convinced that the phenomenon is becoming increasingly common and are becoming concerned about the fact that little is so far known about it and there is no public information on the subject? Who initiates this spraying and how is it funded?
5. Apart from the intended benefits of emitting substances into the air, is the Commission aware of any possible disadvantages it may have for the environment, public health, aviation and TV reception?
6. What is being done to prevent individual European states or businesses from taking measures unilaterally whose crossborder impact other States or citizens' organisations may regard as undesirable? Is coordination already taking place with regard to this? Is the EU playing a part in it, or does the Commission anticipate a future role, and what are the Commission's objectives in this connection?
posted by Straker:Thanks, tupix. This one escaped our notice!
posted by Astral2012: ...aah, it is said that the Dutch are always ahead of the curve...
posted by Crazy Chemtrail: Spain lacks attention, France, the Portugese.... in Italy, what a change... what I do not understand is that it's been since 1999 that it started. The only ones to have open commission parliamentarians denouncing this are from foreign countries. One questioned what is up with the meteorological crews provoking the disasters that the Romanians are enduring.
posted by Salmon: Thank you Tupix for the find!
posted by fabios:
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Spain lacks attention, France, the Portugese.... in Italy, what a change... what I do not understand is that it's been since 1999 that it started. The only ones to have open commission parliamentarians denouncing this are from foreign countries. One questioned what is up with the meteorological crews provoking the disasters that the Romanians are enduring.
It is frightening what is going on in Eastern Europe during this period, entire harvests are up in smoke.
posted by Straker: Thanks to chemtrails and HAARP. Too bad we joined NATO and the European Union.
posted by Crazy Chemtrail: Hottest temperatures in 45 years. My Romanian friend filled me in, so therefore I know what I am talking about. The past year they witnessed from 50 km from Bucharest while on a train ride a tornado... {me-Socrates. Can't follow what he is saying too well}
I have the films and the photos.... and I assure to you that they aren't pretty.
The chemtrails weren't there until they officially joined in the European union, for this vadim tudor minister and former general has denounced and opened a commission parliamentarian on the drastic meteorological changes of the country, accusing Russia and their use of meteorological crews.
posted by fabio: Now there is much activity in Romania, Ukraine, and Moldavia.
posted by Trinity: Many thanks tupix
{to Crazy Chemtrail}Do you have any info or links you can help us out with?
Here are the answers given to the Dutch group:
quote: E-2455/07EN
Answer given by Mr Dimas
on behalf of the Commission
(26.6.2007)
1. The Commission is aware of claims that such trends and phenomena exist. However, the Commission is not aware of any evidence substantiating such claims. The extent to which aircraft condensation trails form and the speed at which they disappear are in the first instance determined by pressure, temperature, and the relative humidity of a given flight level. Fuel and combustion properties and the overall propulsive efficiency may also have an impact. Any changes or trends in the extent to which contrails are reported to remain visible and develop into more widespread clouds may thus be due to factors such as changes in
- meteorological conditions
- traffic volumes
- jet-engine efficiency
2. The Commission is aware of such claims but is not aware of any evidence that particles of barium, aluminium or iron are being emitted, deliberately or not, by aircraft.
3. No. It cannot be precluded that the release of such particles might affect precipitation and climate change, but as indicated above the Commission is not aware of any evidence that such releases take place.
4. The Commission is not aware of any evidence that such methods are being employed in Europe.
5. None of the substances referred to are hazardous per se, but some effects on environment and public health can not be ruled out if large scale releases to the air occurred.
6. As indicated above the Commission is not aware of any evidence suggesting that there is any reason to act.
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weatherman714
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:44 am
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wow... I see what your hidden intentions were...
I should seriously spend my time in recollecting my collection of posts and organizing them. |
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Louis Aubuchont
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:41 am
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DELETED DUE TO THE POLICY OF CTC IN LETTING THE DEBUNKERS AND TROUBLEMAKERS LIKE "FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe" AKA, "MAY41970' OVERRUN THE SITE.
FOR THAT REASON I WILL NOT HAVE MY POST ARCHIVED HERE AND I NO LONGER WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:30 pm
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For the record, this thread was moved from the chemtrails forum to here in freeform by me (starman1), because of the spam like title and intent of the original poster.
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FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:22 am
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quote: Originally posted by starman1 For the record, this thread was moved from the chemtrails forum to here in freeform by me (starman1), because of the spam like title and intent of the original poster.
I will not feed into the distraction further.
It's spam to introduce a new chemtrail website? Maybe if I had that as a title more than once.
Plus, there were two very good chemtrail stories, well-prepared, pertinent, relevant, and you simply decided to move it because it mentions the problem of the fake believers. You have some of the craziest stuff imaginable being posted at this place, and it is making the chemtrails seem like a crazy, internet hoax.
Two brilliant chemtrail stories chucked into the Kathkasung basement.
While looney thoughts about people wiping out chemtrails with their own minds remains. That is how a place loses its reputation. When whole threads get dungeonized, some even get completely "nuked" like the CTC Changes thread.
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