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Twin Tower Deception and Demolition
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This new video claims we've been lied to about 911. 
No surprise there, but the author claims there WAS NO STEEL CORE and I am inclined to think he might be right.
Twin Tower Deception and Demolition, by Christopher A Brown
PART 1:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308
PART 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090
In the video, Chris references an earlier 1987 video made by PBS, which was broadcast on cable in 1990. It was called "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers and it gives detail about the concrete core.
Someone must be able to track it down - and if it does exist, then it's game over right?
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:53 pm
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Never fear, people are looking for the video now, craigslist, ect... I ran across this site in the process of just seeing what was "out there"
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:59 pm
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But that's a story about the steel core, which offers an alternative steel core theory. If Chris is right, then everything in that article is bogus. If Chris is right - and I've always felt that he might well be, one would expect an article like this to pop up to provide an additional layer of disinfo for people to wade through. If the steel core is bogus, it makes sense to frame a new divisive discussion around the bogus steel core.
Chris's theory is reliant upon the existence of a concrete core. I've been watching him for some time, moving from board to board and being called names etc. (That's not a reference to anyone here of course). Debunkers pounce time after time like a pack of hounds, but no-one ever proves him wrong to my satisfaction - and the release of his video will take his ideas to a wider audience. Sooner or later, that video will be found.
Again I say, he may be wrong, but if that video does turns up and he's right about the concrete core, then we can slot everything else into place, such as Building 7, Rodriguez, thermite, Minetta, the changes to the SOPs, the embarrassingly non-existent pentagon defenses etc etc etc etc. It's all out there. If anything our problem is that we are drowning in evidence, rather than lacking in it. We just need that video to shift the paradigm, away from muddled "conspiracy theory" to an incontrovertible and indefensible reality and everything else will fall into place.
Just my view (with a few clumsy subliminals added). 
FIND THE PBS VIDEO, EARN A REWARD!!!
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:12 pm
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This is probably something of a minor red herring, but it's certainly worth a look. It shows a building being demolished in London recently. It's not the same design as such, but it has a concrete core and the picture is quite interesting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6928569.stm
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:27 pm
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the link was posted for something to discuss while the hunt is on, nothing more, I didn't devote a lengthy time to disect it myself, just sharing
The videos posted to start this thread do raise my eyebrows, but, until the key component is located....
I typically stay away from 9/11 stuff mostly because the sheer nature of either side. Horrific tragedy with an ass load of coincidence or conspiracy, either way, most times it just tugs at me inside. After helping a friend create a tribute video, I started to stand away from it, not because I didn't want to believe the possabilities of things I found while putting images and sounds together, but because it is so damn hard.
Forgive me if I digressed the discussion.
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| Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell&quo
Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:11 pm
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/10025
Here is a 2 hr. video that has the proof. |
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:25 am
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The video you linked to DOES NOT have proof of a concrete core martinlookingup.
That's not to take anything away from what is a fairly comprehensive analysis of what might be called the orthodox "unofficial" conspiracy theory regarding the demolition of the three buildings, but having just watched it, there's nothing new in it that I could see. That said, if Chris is wrong about the concrete core, then there's nothing that I disagree with in it either. Thx for pointing it out.
There's still a REWARD for the PBS video!
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:50 am
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Yes, well marklookingup too in that case. It's late. My brain went to sleep several hours ago. I stayed up to watch a video about a steel core!
  
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:16 am
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I have serious doubts about a concrete core. But one thing that I don't get is why focus on anything other than the near free-fall speed of the buildings? There are dozens of major smoking guns--forwarnings, put options, NORAD stand down, squibs, Silverstein, hole too small in Penagon etc, etc. The list goes on and on. But finally, we have basic physics to prove 9/11 was an inside job.
There is no way for those buildings to have fallen at near free fall speed and yet have pulverized everything into dust. Simple as that. You can't have it both ways. Free fall speed= no resistance=explosives. Why don't we just take this fact and ram the mother home!!!!? Why bother with anything else? Is this not enough? |
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:47 pm
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" The video you linked to DOES NOT have proof of a concrete core martinlookingup."
I hope that was a type-o.
If you fast-forward the video to 60 minutes, it shows the core columns with the diagonal, thermite induced cuts. Then it states the columns were cut into 30 foot sections, equal to 2 floors. The dem. expert states that when demolishing a building, they blow every other floor.
To me, this shows steel columns were part of the structure.
And, by the way, it's marklookingup, not martinlookingup. |
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No Way Oligarchs
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:15 pm
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quote:
I have serious doubts about a concrete core.
Fair enough. Me too. That's why the video is so important.
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But one thing that I don't get is why focus on anything other than the near free-fall speed of the buildings? There are dozens of major smoking guns--forwarnings, put options, NORAD stand down, squibs, Silverstein, hole too small in Penagon etc, etc. The list goes on and on. But finally, we have basic physics to prove 9/11 was an inside job.
There is no way for those buildings to have fallen at near free fall speed and yet have pulverized everything into dust.
I agree with all of that.
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"You can't have it both ways. Free fall speed= no resistance=explosives. Why don't we just take this fact and ram the mother home!!!!? Why bother with anything else? Is this not enough?
But this bit I have a little trouble with. You and I (along with a great many others) have managed to see through the lie. That's great but it's not enough; otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. I mean, you and I both know that there are people you can explain all that you said above to and STILL they'll find a way to call you nuts!
Sure, some of them are paid to behave that way to discourage us, while others are doomed to eternal ignorance; but in the third group, the largest group, the sad fact is that many actually believe the flimsy nonsense they've been programmed to cower behind. Like it or not, it is from this group that any additional 911 truthers must come. It's often said that you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. That's true, but it doesn't really matter if you can make the horse unbearably thirsty. The concrete core is the blazing sun in a place without shade. Beyond all reasonable doubt and at a stroke, it establishes a deliberate and premeditated conspiracy to deceive with the official narrative, which in turn confirms a conspiracy to murder - and no amount of bogus spin about floods of kerosene or molten aluminium will change that. One way or another, a great many in that third group will have no option but to face up and take that fundamental building block on board.
Psychologists sometimes call upon a concept called cognitive dissonance which I like to think throws some light on the human tendency to fall for propaganda. It's worth checking out if you've not come across it before. Rather than dwell on it here, just imagine if that video turned up tomorrow. How is Joe Sixpack in denial going to reconcile the undeniably established fact of a concrete core with the official conspiracy theory? I think some of them aren't going to be able to, no way, no how. It's so fundamental. It'll be a painful process for a lot of people, but sooner or later, we'll start to find a lot of them suddenly have the ears to hear and eyes to see at last. It'll happen with or without the video, but getting people into a position to be able to receive the truth is as important as revealing the truth itself.
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:56 pm
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Marklookingup said:
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If you fast-forward the video to 60 minutes, it shows the core columns with the diagonal, thermite induced cuts. Then it states the columns were cut into 30 foot sections, equal to 2 floors. The dem. expert states that when demolishing a building, they blow every other floor.
To me, this shows steel columns were part of the structure.
And if you watch CB's video you'll see why what you have said is not necessary in conflict. According to him, there was a steel frame, but only up to 80ft or so (need to check that: could be 8 floors, in which case 96ft). Above that point was where the concrete core took over. As yet, NO-ONE has produced any pics showing a steel core at a higher level (including the ones you quote). The only items in existence which support a steel core above 80ft are (arguably) fakes - and given that they were leaked through Dylan Avery... 'Nuff said.
I understand why you referred me to those shots, but as I say, if you examine Chris's work more closely you'll see that the two can live side by side in harmony. If not, please tell me why.
Here's a link to Chris's site for anyone wishing to check it out. (I'd watch the video at the top of this thread first if you've not been before)
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
For my money, no one person or theory will account for every aspect of this operation. I'm not here to defend Chris as a matter of honour or anything. I don't know him and I have no vested interest, other than my desire to see the truth come out and save your country and limit the destruction of my way of life. If you see any aspect of Chris's work which does NOT stand the test of scrutiny (in the absence of the video that is), then please outline the issues in this thread and I will try to address them from Chris's discussions elsewhere. In fact, better still, the impression I get from Chris is that he would be glad to answer any questions you may have in detail personally.
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And, by the way, it's marklookingup, not martinlookingup.
Yes, IIRC this was acknowledged earlier in the thread. I'm old and forgetful and it comes to us all eventually so take note, but I'm fitted with an RFID chip in case I get lost so there's no need to worry about me. Thanks.
Peace and love dude.
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:54 am
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What's sad, No Way, is that most people just don't care if 9/11 was an inside job. They really just don't care. And that is why we are screwed. |
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No Way Oligarchs
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:29 pm
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Most people don't matter.
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