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nodebbunker
Joined: 01 Nov 2000
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Location: Indiana USA |
QUESTION!
 Thu Nov 16, 2000 6:12 pm
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The following was posted this morning at Cliff's board and I am wondering if anyone knows just when his website/message board was started. He says two year history -
>This thread is closed and it will be deleted in the near future. Readers are advised to take in seriousness the reference given above that those who repeatedly incite and foment disruption will be removed.
Adequate time and notice for all participants to recognize and to identify the offending parties is usually given on this board. Deletion of threads may also be interpreted as a forerunner to removal. A consistent standard of evaluation has been used throughout the two year history of this forum, and the objectives of the board are stated above.
The previous post entitled, 'To Those In Doubt', as referenced above, may also be of value.
Sincerely,
Clifford E Carnicom <
Sorry, if I put this under the inappropriate topic.
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nagdt
Joined: 07 Aug 2000
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Location: Dallas, Texas USA |
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Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:23 am
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Clifford has done some fine work but his board is spooky now. If I try to post replies without restarting my computer, (and I've never done anything but treat chemtrails seriously) it bans me. There are some questionable posters and many debunkers on the board who post freely.
I live in Dallas and we were hammered again today. My kid even chokes on the stuff. My spouse sees the webs falling but says they disappear before they land. Everyone I know is sick. Geez... I was thinking about buying a gigantic billboard with an upward arrow on it with the caption "look up you dumb ass, those aren't real clouds"! |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:52 am
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NoDeb, don't know how long his message board has been running, I'm sure you know better than me since you were there, but the oldest date I saw in the original message board was late 99, however that doesn't mean much.
Nagdt, good to see you again. I don't know if that problem is a bug in the banning aspect of the ezboard software or just a general problem of trying to ban uses by IP address, which is quite tricky. I've had the banned message stop me from posting too, quite a surprise the first time. It is unfortunate because of the confusion it creates when not intended. Yeah, I thought about the billboard idea too, but figured it probably cost too much.
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Swedishoo
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
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Location: NC |
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Sat Nov 18, 2000 4:17 am
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Yeah, Cliff's board has been having problems. I am not banned, but I get the banned messages too. This happened a few months ago and it finally worked out. It is a shame that he is losing posts because of it though. Umm, two years sounds about right. I know his website was around first...not sure if the message board became popular right away....but it's been about two years. Why do you ask?
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nodebbunker
Joined: 01 Nov 2000
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Location: Indiana USA |
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Sun Dec 10, 2000 6:00 pm
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Sorry for the delay in replying to this thread but I finally came acrossed this website I had been looking for. I have been known for making the statment that, in essence, supporting the chemtrail issue is promoting the NWO/communist agenda. Some people have failed to see my point which is my fault for assuming that people within these forums read about it as much as I do.
No one who is aware that globalism is being shoved down our throats can deny the acceleration of same this year, 2000.
Thinking about the chemtrail propaganda, not to side step global warming, through "community participation" via message boards and websites on the net, I see a definite correlation with numbers 4 and 5 below which I have out-taked from the following:
http://www.radioliberty.com/kjos1.htm
Out-takes:
1) SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. The guiding principle of the new universal education system is "sustainable development." People everywhere must be taught "facts" about environmental "risks" that are sensational enough to scare them into compliance. They must be persuaded to accept unthinkable limits on consumption, land use, transportation, and family size. Everyone must protect resources for future generations, say UN leaders, but they agree that the real meaning of sustainability is based on the E's: Environment, Economy, and Equity, which point to a redistribution of the world's resources-money, energy, water, and people-in order to create global equality.
2) The similarities between the Communist Manifesto and the UN agenda (outlined in the Beijing Declaration and incorporated into the Habitat Agenda) should be a call to action. Both revolutions--
* Use psychology and sociology to establish the victimhood, blame and anger needed to fuel the revolution.
* Use education to conform minds to the new ideology.
* Use synthesis (blending opposing views into compromise beliefs that match new goals) to produce group consensus.
* Promise economic equality to seduce the masses.
* Spread hatred toward "extremists" who refuse to compromise.
The Communist Manifesto led to religious, moral and economic bankruptcy. Yet UN-led activists and their US partners are determined to fulfill their utopian visions.
3) "STEP 1: IDENTIFY A LEADERSHIP TEAM" (11)
"Concentrate on gaining the involvement of the 15 percent of people typically open to new ideas-and ask them to help involve the other 75 percent.... Try not to spend too much time responding to the... unwelcome actions of the 10 percent who may actively oppose your change efforts..."12 (Community Action Toolkit)
Hitler's Mein Kampf: "The most striking success of a revolution will always have been achieved when the new philosophy of life as far as possible has been taught to all men, and if necessary, later forced upon them."13 He tells his followers to "sift the human material it wins into two large groups: supporters and members.... A supporter of a movement is one who declares himself to be in agreement with its aims, a member is one who fights for them.... and corresponds only to the minority of men."
4) "GUIDE TO GETTING OUT YOUR MESSAGE"
"Find information that lends credence to your argument and creates a sense of urgency." "One of the best ways to influence public opinion is to influence the news and information that people rely upon in making decisions."19 (Community Action Toolkit)
Hitler: "The first task of propaganda is to win people for subsequent organization.... The second task of propaganda is the disruption of the existing state of affairs and the permeation of this state of affairs with the new doctrine...."20
Sustainable America: "Community-based coalitions can create educational media campaigns..., disseminate high-quality information on community issues, and promote public discussions that identify solutions to problems." (p. 90) "Accurate information built on basic scientific research established the foundation of knowledge needed for sound decisionmaking...." (p. 61)
Agenda 21: Use "neighborhood surveys, community meetings, and public forums to directly engage the resident population in identifying and analyzing issues...." (p. 45)
5) FALSIFYING EVIDENCE TO WIN SUPPORT. "Accurate information" and "analyzing issues" are two of many seductive euphemism that deceive the public. Truth and facts matter little. What counts are stories and "scientific" arguments that evoke the "right" response: a willingness to submit to unthinkable controls in order to save the earth. For a glimpse at the twisted data used as evidence for environmental risks, ponder the following comment by Dr. Frederick Seitz, past President of the National Academy of Sciences:
"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a UN organization regarded by many as the best source of scientific information about the human impact on the earth's climate, released "The Science of Climate Change 1995".... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer review process.... More than 15 sections... were changed or deleted after the scientists charged with examining this question had accepted the supposedly final text... The following passages are examples of those deleted:
* "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to... increases in greenhouse gases."
* "No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to... man-made causes."
"IPCC reports are often called the "consensus" view. If they lead to carbon taxes and restraints on economic growth, they will have a major and almost certainly destructive impact on the economies of the world.... Their effect is to deceive policy makers and the public into believing that the scientific evidence shows human activities are causing global warming.21
"Without "proof" that humans cause global warming, globalists lose their strongest argument for world governance. Therefore they cannot let mere facts slow the spreading public persuasion that humanity's future rests in the hands of UN-US environmental 'saviors.'"
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* Spread hatred toward "extremists" who refuse to compromise.
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Try not to spend too much time responding to the... unwelcome actions of the 10 percent who may actively oppose your change efforts..."12 (Community Action Toolkit)
My point is what person, including myself, labelled as a "debunker" and banned at the Carnicom message board have not felt the brunt of this wrath? Regarding my stance on global warming, that wrath was extended to this message board when I was called ignorant and stupid on another thread.
There is no tangible proof of "chemtrails" as there is no proof of global warming. Now that El Nino and El Nina are on hiatus, perhaps, and only time will tell, if we have witnessed nothing more than cyclical climate change the past few years. Examination of conscience may help some decide who are the real "sheople" in denial.
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Dr_Leath_al
Joined: 26 Nov 2000
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Location: Phoenix, AZ USA |
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Sun Dec 10, 2000 8:39 pm
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Ignorant and stupid? You're NOT! Totally sceptical is more like it. Been burned before, eh?
Hey nodebbunker, what would you call definative proof? KC135 loaded with EDB crashing across the road from your lil' Indiana farm? Seriously, I would like to know what would you accept as definative. Then the witnesses could be called to testify. If you could ever be as convinced as you seem to be abt. NWO treason you might be usefull to the cause of truth, but it pains me to see one so bright in such denial. And yes they use all the points you have just listed to discredit witnesses to the ongoing chemical aeriel spaying. Normal vapor trails my butt. I've been watching planes crossing the clear blue skies of the Southwest for 40 years. Only in the past two has this EVER occured and now is increasingly common place. Population reduction? That's my bet. The NWO's shower nozzels and the world is soon to be it's concentration camp.
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Mon Dec 11, 2000 3:14 am
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>Population reduction? That's my bet. The NWO's shower nozzels and the world is soon to be it's concentration camp. <
If you have roaches, you buy a bug bomb or two and set them off in the house...to kill the roaches....you don't stay in the house while conducting this proceedure...
So if your correct dr. lethal....where do these NWO people who ok'd the spraying go ?
T/S
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nodebbunker
Joined: 01 Nov 2000
Posts: 200
Location: Indiana USA |
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Mon Dec 11, 2000 5:04 am
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>"Hey nodebbunker, what would you call definative proof?"<
This is a question for the Debate and Debunking Forum. It is answered in several threads as well. Define "definitive" proof there - I'm sure myself as well as members of Congress would demand tangible proof in spite of this e-mail sent out by CACTUS announcing their petition:
We're going for it! I got the word from Clifford Carnicom about a week ago
to begin the process. We do not need absolute proof, only enough to establish that something is indeed happening in the skies above us!
Please take the time to print the Petition out. It is attached in both Word
and Rich Text Document. The Petition will soon be at several websites as
well.
As you fill the forms out, they should be mailed to Clifford Carnicom
(see
address on form). Let's do it!!!
PS. If you have a website or a business, could you put the Petition in
a prominent place? In addition, please distribute this email.
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