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defender
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Hi RTW,
I hate to sound like I'm prosteletizing (?) or preaching, but don't blame yourself for being an American. The media, and 'the powers that suck' (and these are certainly not confined to the U.S.A.) spend billions of our tax dollars, not to mention illegal arms/drug profits to keep us in the dark.
If anyone feels that we as Americans are to blame for all the problems in the world, then TPTS have succeeded. They use, for example; TV advertising, and seemingly innocuous sitcoms and docu-dramas, special interest/govt-appointed political pundits, authors, producers and 'experts' to tell us we are not good enough, that we are racists and sexists and that, if only we would vote, our problems would be over... That we deserve the kind of government we get because less than %50 of us vote for the pre-determined 'candidates' that they shove down our throats every 4 years with illegal campaign financing.
And on top of that, they get us to blame ourselves for the crimes and lies that they commit!..Like it's our fault for not voting. Corporate America does suck, but it's also the World Trade Org and pirates around the globe who come here to rip us off and then go back to their countries of origin!
As Americans, we still have some rights, like freedom of speech (at least on the Internet), freedom to keep and bear arms (one of the last free countries in the world that 'allows' and 'trusts' it's citizens enough not to confiscate them). And I'm still proud to be an American, but I'm not proud of what TPTS are doing to us. We live in a time when America has become what I believe is a plutocracy, rule by the wealthy.
Anyway, I could go on and on, but I'll shut up since I know that to some of you, I'm "preaching to the choir". If you don't agree with me, that's okay. But I hate to see people, American citizens blaming themselves for something they really have little control over.
Communicating via Internet to each other, and whoever will listen is more than a lot of people can or will do, but I guess, it's less than a few will do too?
Some people have just never taken the 'red pill', or even realized there is one to be taken.
P.S. I don't know who coined that phrase, "The powers that suck" but it's a good one.
P.P.S. CQ, by 'red pill', I'm not making any reference to the commies, just to "The Matrix". As I've said before, NWO can also be a term that can be interchangeable with any authoritarian type of system, including one that masquarades as a democracy.
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defender
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Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:02 pm
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Even if activist groups aren't infiltrated, the idea planted that they have been is enough to cause problems within the targeted group. With the amount of money available to black ops groups, foreign and/or domestic, if they can't beat'em, they can sometimes, buy'em... as in corporate take-overs.
I believe that's what happened with the Christic group that disappeared after investigating the murders of two American journalists in La Penca, (can't reall the country in South America), though in that case it wasn't a question of a buy-off or sell-out, but actual assassinations related to independant investigations of illegal CIA involvement in Nicaragua in the '80's.
There's always the 'plausible deniability', CIA, etc can claim (true or not), 'national security' as a reason for no investigation into a particular assassination. They can always claim it was a foreign enemy to the US (as opposed to the CIA!), that executed someone to throw a moneky wrench into an American operation or interest.
Just because mainstream media ignores these stories, senate subcommittees, govt watchdogs and in some cases, the org itself will do the right thing when they can, or have to.
In the case of a covert chemtrail operation, the offending org can sometimes rely on the ignorance and/or brainwashing of a select segment of the population (deb/seeker/canex, etc.) who can, in effect, do the job of disinformation for the org itself, without the org having to;
a. pay the (often) unwitting target segment
b. have any official or even unofficial record of contact with that segment
c. recruit agents they already have on the payroll for the operation
d. admit any knowledge (plausible deniability) of the group
Using segments of the American population to deceive, mislead, misinform, lie to another segment, (the real targeted segment) of the American/world population (chemtrail activists) is something we used to expect of a fascist nation, like Nazi Germany, former Soviet Union.
When we see it happening here, we as a nation really need to stand up and point it out as part of our duty to remain vigilant as American/world citizens.
Ask yourself why this 'debunker' group is so determined to shut down our attempts to understand and confront the only orgs that have the power and authority to circumvent our Constitutional rights. What do they have to lose?
To me, that's become as big a question as to the true purpose of chemtrails.
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defender
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:27 pm
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I was talking with someone lately when the idea that Greenpeace may have been compromised recently by someone like FBI for COINTELPRO purposes, use of agents provacteur and disinformation.
Does Greenpeace seem any less 'green' lately? I know they, or someone allegedly w/Greenpeace came out in favor of something that seemed totally out of character for them.
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defender
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 9:26 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by nsasucks:
Greenpeace...sounds like they have a mole very high up in the Greenpeace food chain. The FBI has been bragging for over forty years that every activist group in America of any substance has been infiltrated. They actually brag about that. Imagine being a member of one of these orgs and hearing that lovely statement?
Imagine being a member of one of those orgs, than judging by the self-destructive and comprimising actions of your leadership, you realize the FBI is actually telling the truth when they say that?
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theseeker
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 9:45 pm
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I was wondering who sux recruited for this pic and now I know...nice smile defender...
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defender
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 9:59 pm
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Bad try sucker, anyone reading my posts knows your attempts to disinform are %100 backwards. You guys are the fascists here, if anyone is.
Don't you believe in our rights to question our own government? Obviously not. Your posts are just about as unAmerican as they can be. You just want to bend over, and let the authorities do whatever they want, even trying to stop anyone who questions what they do. You're not interested in the truth, only cover-ups and deception.
The feds/govt are supposed to work for us!, not the other way around. You work for the bad guys, and you may not even know it! That's almost worse than knowing you work for them.
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Lulu
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:01 pm
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kinda looks like Don Knots...from the Incredible Mr. Limpid era |
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defender
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:05 pm
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Yeah, that's what I thought!
Leave it to seeker and his jpegs to try to steer us away from the facts.
Like I always say, when the going gets tough, the debunkers (seeker that is) post jpegs, it's way easier than responding with a legitimate post.
Which # was that?
quote:
In the case of a covert chemtrail operation, the offending org can sometimes rely on the ignorance and/or brainwashing of a select segment of the population (deb/seeker/canex, etc.) who can, in effect, do the job of disinformation for the org itself, without the org having to;
a. pay the (often) unwitting target segment
b. have any official or even unofficial record of contact with that segment
c. recruit agents they already have on the payroll for the operation
d. admit to any knowledge (plausible deniability) of the group
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Deborah
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:19 pm
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Defender wrote [to quote nsasucks]:
....The FBI has been bragging for over forty years that every activist group in America of any substance has been infiltrated. They actually brag about that. Imagine being a member of one of these orgs and hearing that lovely statement?....
Yes. I can very EASILY imagine this.
The longer people of good-will continue to putz around under the illusion that they are actually _accomplishing something_ by preoccupying themselves with staying one step ahead of those whose sole intent is to infiltrate and ultimately render impotent ANY group effort, the less likely it is that the original goals of the group will ever be fully realized.
We are now moving into a time when those in oversight of and actively participating in perhaps the most comprehensive, broad-based and meticulously-orchestrated Public Perception Management Project in human history are definitely beginning to trip over their own lies. Concrete evidence of this is cropping up all over the place - and it is not all that difficult to pick up on it.
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Duncan Kunz
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:24 pm
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Jeff Rense is a CIA agent; we're on the same payroll, and I see him at the Bilderberger picnic every year. |
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David
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Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:30 pm
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Well from my point of view, the debunking is working. The information on CTC has slowed to a dribble. This used to be one of the foremost sites for the exchange of information and research. Now it seems that most of the time is spent on defending the chemtrail view point.
If I'm am not mistaken that is the aim of the debunking crowd. Would it not be easier to just tell them to take a hike and get on with the business at hand.
Yeah,I know, opposing view points and all that,but figure up all the hours wasted in defending our views, time that could be spent doing research or exchanging ideas, well you get the point.
The distraction thing happened last evening at another board, causing a halt to all communication between the board members and driving away potential new members and a couple of established ones.
Soooo, even though they may not be correct, they sure do know how to throw a wrench into the works and bring things to a screeching halt. Works every time.
Just tell um to piss off and leave. |
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