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Twin Jets (these are not commercial airliners)

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Twin Jets (these are not commercial airliners) PostMon Feb 25, 2008 8:20 pm  Reply with quote  

Among the jets filling the skies with sprays this morning I happened to catch these two with my sony cybershot digital camera video feature. This is my first attempt with youtube video. I didn't realize I was in video mode initially so you can hear me breathing, but you can also hear all the birds, but those jets although they are flying quite low and leaving no trails also make no noise at all. As they flew over I ran to grab my camera, I initially saw them coming at me from east to west, and it did not appear to be a refueling maneuver as there was no visable connection as I have seen before.

This video also proves they are not commercial airliners as no commercial flights are ever allowed to be this close. Check it out, the clip is only about 13 seconds of these large jets flying united...


Video captured today, 2/25/08.
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PostTue Feb 26, 2008 8:18 pm  Reply with quote  

I've been wondering where you were. Good to hear you breathing.
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PostTue Feb 26, 2008 10:35 pm  Reply with quote  

Thanks raze,
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Nuts! PostWed Feb 27, 2008 2:41 am  Reply with quote  

You should be proud to have captured this, Starman. I have never seen anything like this.... What do you make of it? Cloaking device gone wrong?
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PostWed Feb 27, 2008 2:56 am  Reply with quote  

Great shot Starman.
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Re: Nuts! PostWed Feb 27, 2008 2:33 pm  Reply with quote  

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Originally posted by perverted_introvert
You should be proud to have captured this, Starman. I have never seen anything like this.... What do you make of it? Cloaking device gone wrong?

I don't know anything about cloaking devices, but what I found amazing was as low as these two big jets were flying you would think there would be twice the noise and you couldn't hear any noise from them at all.
It also shows that what we are seeing spread these trails are obviously not commercial airliners, there is no way the FAA would allow two commercial jets to fly this close. Last year I saw three of them flying a little further apart and very low through the clouds, unfortunately I didn't have my camera so I grabbed a witeness, won't help much but at least people know I'm not making it up as I go. Lesson learned, treat your camera like an American Express card, "never leave home without it".

PAK: Thank you!!!
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PostWed Feb 27, 2008 10:47 pm  Reply with quote  

The planes I see spraying have some kind of cloaking device on them, to make them appear farther away than they actually are, this way they can spray low but the plane appears like a silhouette and is difficult to photograph clearly.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070503100813.htm

ScienceDaily (May 4, 2007) — A unique computer model designed by a mathematician at the University of Liverpool has shown that it is possible to make objects, such as aeroplanes and submarines, appear invisible at close range.

Scientists have already created an 'invisibility cloak' made out of 'metamaterial' which can bend electromagnetic radiation -- such as visible light, radar or microwaves -- around a spherical space, making an object within this region appear invisible.

Until now, scientists could only make objects appear invisible from far away. Liverpool mathematician Dr Sébastien Guenneau, together with Dr Frédéric Zolla and Professors André Nicolet from the University of Marseille, have proven - using a specially designed computer model called GETDP - that objects can also be made to appear invisible from close range when light travels in waves rather than beams.

Scientists predict that metamaterials could be of use in military technology, such as in the construction of fighter jets and submarines, but it will be some years before invisibility cloaks can be developed for human beings.

Dr Guenneau, at the University's Department of Mathematical Science, explains: "The shape and structure of aeroplanes make them ideal objects for cloaking, as they have a fixed structure and movement pattern. Human beings and animals are more difficult as their movement is very flexible, so the cloak - as it is designed at the moment - would easily be seen when the person or animal made any sudden movement.

"A cloak, such as the one worn by the Harry Potter character for example, is not yet possible but it is a good example of what we are trying to move towards. Using this new computer model we can prove that light can bend around an object under a cloak and is not diffracted by the object. This happens because the metamaterial that makes up the cloak stretches the metrics of space, in a similar way to what heavy planets and stars do for the metrics of space-time in Einstein's general relativity theory.

"In order for the cloaking device to work in the first place light has to separate into two or more waves resulting in a new wave pattern. Within this pattern we get light and dark regions which are needed in order for an object to appear invisible.

"Until now, however, it was not clear whether photons -- particles that make up all forms of light -- can split and form new waves when the light source is close to the object. If we use ray optic techniques -- where light travels in beams - photons break down at close range and the object does not appear invisible. If we study light as it travels in waves however, invisibility is maintained."

Scientists predict that invisibility will be possible for objects of any shape and size within the next decade. The research findings are published in Optic Letters.

Adapted from materials provided by University of Liverpool, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.
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Yep PostWed Feb 27, 2008 11:58 pm  Reply with quote  

I caught one leaving a CT while landing at O'hare today... I was about 25 miles from the airport and it was so low in the sky, but there it was, a persistent contrail left behind at low altitude right over a major expressway in rush hour. I'll post pics later.

Good find, Pak. Thanks for posting this.
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