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Ellyn





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SPECIAL BULLETIN: NATIONAL HEALTH SCARE PostThu Jul 30, 2009 6:29 pm  Reply with quote  

SPECIAL BULLETIN: NATIONAL HEALTH SCARE

By Rick Joyner

http://www.morningstarministries.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000054411

ALSO:

Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html


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WECWATURDOIN





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Read it for yourself PostThu Jul 30, 2009 11:16 pm  Reply with quote  

That is not the link to the full health care bill. The link below will take you to the full text of this bill.

Do not take the word of others, read it for yourself and learn for yourself.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-676

The full text is now available.

Notice how many times the word promulgate is used.
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Ellyn





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Nine More Go to Jail for Single Payer PostFri Jul 31, 2009 9:29 am  Reply with quote  

http://www.truthout.org/072909B?n

Nine More Go to Jail for Single Payer
Monday 27 July 2009

by: David Swanson

Following a pattern of civil resistance in Washington D.C. and around the country, citizens in Des Moines Iowa on Monday risked arrest to press for the creation of single-payer healthcare, the establishment of healthcare as a human right, and an end to the deadly practices of Iowa's largest health insurance company, Wellmark Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Dr. Margaret Flowers, who has herself gone to jail for single-payer in our nation's capital, was on hand to speak in Des Moines. She called me with this report. Nearly a month earlier, on June 19, 2009, Des Moines Catholic Workers had delivered a letter (PDF) to Wellmark addressed to its CEO John Forsyth requesting disclosure of Wellmark's profits, salaries, benefits, denials and restrictions on care. The letter had not been acknowledged by Monday, ?nd the Catholic Workers and their allies decided to take action again.

Thirty people arrived in the Wellmark lobby in Des Moines and asked to see Forsyth or any of the members of the board of directors or the operating officers. They were told that none were available, and instead the police arrived. Nine of the 30 refused to leave and were arrested. Flowers did not yet know what the charges will be but suspected trespassing. The nine latest supporters of single-payer to go to jail for justice are:

Mona Shaw, Renee Espeland, Frankie Hughes (age 11), and Frank Cordaro, all from Des Moines Catholic Workers; Leonard Simmons from Massachusetts; Robert Cook; Eddie Blomer from Des Moines; Kirk Brown from Des Moines; and Chris Gaunt from Grinnell, Iowa.

These nine and others like them around the country represent, I think, the incredible potential to energize the American public on behalf of a struggle for the basic human right of healthcare, a potential being blocked by the work of activist organizations that reach out from Washington to tell the public that single-payer is not possible, rather than reaching into Washington from outside to tell our public servants what we demand.

Here's a blog from Digby acknowledging the reduction of the public option from where it started to next-to-nothing. It's not clear whether Digby thinks it would have been smarter to start with single-payer, in order to end up with a better compromise than what you get by initially proposing the weakest plan you'll settle for. But Digby argues that proposing single-payer from the start would not have given single-payer itself any chance of succeeding, and this is proven -- Digby says -- from the fact that the public option is having such a hard time succeeding.

I can't prove this is wrong. Everything Digby writes is smart and to the point. But this does omit an important factor or two. Namely: single-payer turns an obscure wonkish policy mush into a clear and comprehensible civil rights issue. Even with it blacked out and shunned by the White House and astroturfing activist groups, single-payer still has people sacrificing and going to jail for it. Nobody goes to jail for a public option.* Nobody even knows what it is. Nobody will even know whether they got it if a bill is passed until experts debate the point for them -- at which point it's too late. Making healthcare a right rather than a legislative policy energizes people, and that potential has hardly been tapped and should not be written out of consideration.

John Nichols understands this, as does Glen Ford from Black Agenda Report.

Even defenders of a public option depict it as a step toward single-payer, while missing the potential of single-payer activism in the short term to improve the public option. So, all agree that in the long run a movement for single-payer is needed. It can begin with phone calls this week in support of these measures and with a massive presence on July 30 in Washington, D.C.

* Note: Joe Szakos of Virginia Organizing Project went to jail this week for a public option, but nobody he'd organized went with him. His action, like that in Iowa, was protesting an insurance company, an entity that would be eliminated only by single-payer.

Photos from the event can be seen here.
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Gort519





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PostFri Jul 31, 2009 1:18 pm  Reply with quote  

> Notice how many times the word promulgate is used.

So what? That doesn't mean anything. If they'd stop haggling and getting their egos in the way, they COULD pass a decent bill.

The only thing that means anything is if the American people get decent health coverage. Which only a few wealthy Americans have right now.

1,000's of Americans have medical insurance coverage that would not and does not cover major medical expenses sufficiently. Most of the current personal bankruptcies are from medical bills - and that's not from being personally irresponsible - that's the insurance companies and hospitals being irresponsible by their system of overcharging.

No need to start talking socialism - that has nothing to do with it. There IS a way for Americans to be covered for medical bills - and for hospitals and doctors to make a profit without overcharging. And they know it - they just don't want to give up their huge profits.

Too bad - it's time to wake up, America. It's time to get back to balance.
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WECWATURDOIN





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PostFri Jul 31, 2009 3:10 pm  Reply with quote  

It means they have not even made the rules and want everybody to vote on something that will be made up after it is in effect.

I dont think so, you must of voted for Obama.

there is a health department in every town and everyone even illegals have the ability to seek health care. Dont believe the lies of this tyrant.

by law every emergency room must give care to anyone that arrives.

Some are so blinded it is a shame.
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Gort519





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PostFri Jul 31, 2009 5:27 pm  Reply with quote  

> every emergency room must give care to anyone that arrives.

I'm not talking about emergency room care - what if you had to have open heart surgery? Other major surgery and aftercare, or ongoing treatments for serious illnesses? Very few people in this country can now afford that.

Please leave the political party stuff out of it. That's not my intent.
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tenger





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PostMon Aug 03, 2009 9:08 pm  Reply with quote  

All necessary operations are already covered under the present system. We even go so far as to cover the needs of illegal aliens. The Health Bill is a disguise for more government control. The government already controls over 30% of our business. With national health care, that will add another 20%. I don't know about you, but I would rather not have the government controlling over 50% of my life!
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13 Republicans Voted To Allow Single-Payer Systems In States PostTue Aug 04, 2009 2:40 am  Reply with quote  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/31/13-republicans-voted-to-a_n_249026.html

13 Republicans Voted To Allow Single-Payer Systems In States

In a largely unnoticed vote late last week, 13 small government-conservatives backed legislation that could facilitate the emergence of major government-run health care entities.

In an exquisite political irony, 13 Republicans on the House Education and Labor Committee offered their support for an amendment that allowed states to set up single-payer health care systems.

The amendment to the committee's health care bill allows states to essentially opt out of a national public health insurance option if they set up a single-payer alternative that meets similar standards for coverage. Offered by one of Congress's foremost liberals, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), the legislation enables a system progressives have long desired.

So why would 13 House Republicans, after bemoaning Democratic plans for public health care for months, attach their names to the provision? Depending on who you ask, it's either a philosophical belief in states' rights or childish political shenanigans.

According to those who followed the vote closely, Republicans on the committee were eager to put potentially vulnerable freshmen Democrats -- particularly those from traditionally conservative districts -- on the spot. One plugged-in aide said the GOP lawmakers were "laughing and giggling" throughout the voting process.

But the amendment actually passed, after a host of veteran Democrats on the committee sided with Kucinich. The final tally was 27 Representatives in favor and 19 opposed, with two lawmakers not voting at all. Just how screwy was the vote? Education and Labor Chairman Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) voted against the legislation despite being a co-sponsor of Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) bill to set up a national single-payer health care system.

Since then, some of the supportive Republicans have spun their votes as being in support of a states' rights, even though Democrats on the committee insist that was never their intention.

The amendment has the potential to trip up the GOP as the health care debate continues. The text could end up being in the House's final product, once it is merged with the version produced by the Energy and Commerce Committee. And when Republicans claim government bureaucrats will infringe upon the rights of consumers, Democrats will have a solid retaliatory point: 13 GOP lawmakers voted to allow single-payer plans.

In a conference call on Friday, Rep. Miller made direct reference to the amendment as a means of asserting that Republicans weren't honest participants in the health care debate. As one high-ranking Democratic aide in the House put it: "This amendment would allow states to opt out of the exchange and set up their own single-payer plan. Even if they made the states' rights argument -- would that really trump Republicans' opposition to the 'government' run health plan they've been so adamant against through this entire debate?"

The 13 Republicans:

Rep. John Kline (Minnesota)
Rep. Tom Petri (Wisconsin)
Rep. Buck McKeon (California)
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (Michigan)
Rep. Mike Castle (Delaware)
Rep. Mark Souder (Indiana)
Rep. Vernon Ehlers (Michigan)
Rep. Judy Biggert (Illinois)
Rep. Todd Platts (Pennsylvania)
Rep. Joe Wilson (South Carolina)
Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Washington)
Rep. Tom Price (Georgia)
Rep. Brett Guthrie (Kentucky)
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