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theseeker
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I will address the only question of yours wind that this link cannot :
Chemmies 1st step to a rational arguement
Basically I'm trying to ask what information you think this Flight Explorer would give you that distinguishes normal airtraffic from sprayplanes. I never got that one. Maybe I'm just a dumb chemmie from down under. What info are you seeking from Flight Explorer, Seeker? Help me out.
FE puts more than a face on these planes and trails...it removes suspicion....if you see a trail that is what you call a chemtrail and it turns out to be a commercial craft, then the military is not spraying you....if you see a trail that is what you would call a chemtrail and it does not show up on fe then the military craft are producing different looking trails, if you use the software and see both occurances then you must assume that chemtrails as portrayed are a lie....
I am interested in one type of trail and have not pinned it down yet....
clear ?
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The Military Lies
Joined: 10 Jan 2001
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:20 am
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
OK...... Let me catch my breath...... Whew! Boy, now I've heard everything!!! You debunkers are supposed to be applying damage control! Instead, you are making your lying selves more obvious and adding damage to your cause. Too funny.
One question for you "sincerely concerned citizens" AKA debunkers: So these perfect X's that have abrupt starting and stopping points, that are being seen all over the country are simply two aircraft with crossing flight paths? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
OK...... I have to catch my breath again (you know, hard to breathe lately). OK..... Are you telling me that the thousands of X's that have been systematically and strategically laid out in the skies across America for the last two years are happenstance??? Hello..... knock knock knock.... McFly! Each X has a perfectly abrubt start and stop on each half of the segment it takes to form it! Duhhhh. I won't even get into the other shapes. like O's and S's and U-turns, that are regularly being laid down across the country. I like the u-turns. It's like OOPS, aunt selma forgot her purse at that restaurant at the airport. Quick, turn the plane around. Can anybody with an I.Q above room temperature really be expected to believe that the perfectly shaped O's we are seeing, is the result of a holding pattern. Pretty tight and precise holding pattern! What about a series of giant question marks in a row? What about a gaint "WHO ARE WE?" writen in the sky over Los Angeles? Pretty complex flight path there buddy.
The plain and simple truth for all to see, is that you debunkers are liars. It's that simple. You are either being paid for the incessant, tireless work you do on the chemboards, or you have some other vested interest in seeing the truth destroyed in this arena. Maybe you think you have no one to answer to for your lies and attempted cover-ups. The day is drawing nearer, my foolish friends. You will pay the ultimate price for your evil works. See you at the "Great White Throne Judgment" boys. It will be a wonderful day, because nobody will be able to say that you were not dutifully warned. |
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speakingwind
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:22 am
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Nope. |
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theseeker
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:27 am
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Sir, you wouldn't by any chance be , carnicom's buddy...dave petersen, pedersen(sp?)....from colorado that has 10,000 of the chemmies money (for tests) would you ?
just curious ?
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speakingwind
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:31 am
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Well Seeker, I just read some of that link you provided and I have to admit FE is an amazing program. I think the first number in the FE screen you posted under the a/c symbol is call sign or altitude. The arrow represents climbing or descending and the last number represents ground speed.
But I disagree with your bit of logic. Although I can see the value of Flight Explorer at determining commercial aircraft, I don't believe that we can just assume a military aircraft leaving what appears to be a chemtrail is actually a normal contrail, just because the a/c in question is military. In fact military a/c are just what we would expect to see doing the spraying, so an unusually thick "contrail" coming from a KC135 would probably be a good indication it was spraying something, not that there was something unusual about the engines just because it was military. McDonnel Douglas and Boeing make civilian and military aircraft. No reason to believe that the engines are going to leave different trails on one as opposed to the other, although aging aircraft like the B-52 can leave black smoke.
In this case, it seems to me that FE would be quite useful in implicating a military aircraft in possible chemical spraying, just the opposite of what you suggest. No offense, but I find some gaping holes in your logic.
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Thermit
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 3:40 pm
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In relation to some of the FE questions, I try to clarify. First of all, I recommend reading my preliminary report on reasearch using FE for a month: Flight Explorer Report. I've learned more, but it's a good starting point.
Key to FE screen shown above:
- The first three digits shown next to each plane represent the altitude. Values are shown in 100's of feet, so just add 2 zeros to the number to read height.
- An arrow following this number will represent acending or descending altitude depending on the direction of the symbol.
- The second number shown is the ground speed in knots.
- The red lines are history lines that will show up to the four last positions of the flight.
- The color of the plane indicates Active for orange and Arrived for blue.
Flight Explorer is quite configurable in the information it displays on the active screen. Each craft can be examined for altitude, heading, origin, destination, aircraft type, company and a few other things.
I have more research in the works, which will be released sometime this year. |
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marcinko
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 7:05 pm
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wind,
"so an unusually thick "contrail" coming from a KC135 would probably be a good indication it was spraying something,..."
what would you consider to be unusually thick? the reason i ask is that some chemtrail activists believe that contrails only come in one shape and size. this couldnt be further from the truth. contrails, just like naturally forming clouds, can come in an almost infinate variety of shapes and sizes depending on the prevailing conditions. they can be just a few feet across or spread out several hundreds of feet. because of this fact i dont think that you can label a trail "chem" just because of how thick it is.
also, it is not uncommon to see 2 very different contrails sharing the same sky. you may observe one very thick trail and then a very thin trail crossing it. you have to remember that these trails can be separated by many thousands of feet vertically and thus are subjected to wildly different conditions.
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speakingwind
Joined: 22 Jan 2001
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Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:34 pm
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Well I think it would have to be a combination of factors before I'd go yelling chemtrails:
stop and starts
tanker-type military aircraft
trails seeming to come from wing surfaces and areas other than engines, perhaps booms or winglets
unusual patterns/Xs and Os
unusual quantity of trails in hot and/or dry conditions
off-airway trails, aircraft seen going back and forth like a farmer plowing a field
unusual colors / rainbow effects
A combination of these factors might have me seeing chemtrails |
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Sceptic
Joined: 19 Dec 2000
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Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:41 am
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Hmmmm,
Plenty of responses, yet none of them directly answered the points I was making.
Military, you say that the atrocities that I cite merely prove that some governments in the past have committed evil. This proves absolutely nothing about the behaviours of current governments. If you were a juror, how would you react to a prosecution claim that there have been murders in the past and that therefore the defendant is guilty? Whatever. You left alone the argument I was making, which was that Sedona was wrong to equate this alleged conspiracy with past atrocities.
Lulu, no, I haven't heard that piece of doggerel, and I won't bother committing it to memory. Again, you seem to have completely ignored the point I was making which was that a piece of schoolchild verse which goes back many years (and, yes, I know that its not much better than yours in a literary sense) is proof positive that there have been red sunsets and sunrises for many years. I have stiven to use the archives to show that a lot of what we see is perfectly natural and has been observed for many years. This was just one of those cultural references which back me up in that contention. For another, I would cite p 364 of the original print edition of Charles Lindbergh's 'Spirit of St Louis'. In it he muses on the blue, green, grey, pink, red and gold skies that he has seen since he started flying. Another observation predating chemtrails. In this context, I would urge as many of you as possible to visit a museum or gallery where you can view some old masters or water colours. The skyscapes, besides being beautiful, are further proof that the skies have always displayed a huge spectrum of colours.
The FE stuff is amazing! I knew that there were lots of 'planes up there, but its really fantastic to see just how many. I would remind you all that this is only a two-dimensional view of the flight paths; there is also vertical separation. Remember that if two 'planes on the same flight path but at different elevations leave contrails, to anyone who is not directly underneath them, the contrails will appear as two parallel lines. Now add two planes who are flying paths perpendicular to the first two, again with different altitudes. Voila! A grid. Now consider that their ability to produce a contrail depends on the moisture content of the air. As our two 'planes encounter the same weather front, their contrail stops. That's way the two trails appear to stop at the same time on the grids. As for the 'who are we?' stuff, There's a variety of solutions:
A prank by young fliers.
A stunt for a video or ad.
The start of a 'teaser' ad campaign.
Local USAF personnel deciding to give you boys something to sweat about.
There's also the fact that the whole thing could be a lie. I've become accustomed to that sort of thing on the other boards.
P.S. Petition at 264 and still counting. Even a manual recount at this stage would be pretty quick!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sceptic on 01-25-2001] |
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