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WiseQuakker
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From Columbus Alive January 24, 2002...
Chemtrails outlaw
The government says they don’t exist, but Kucinich wants Congress to take action
by Bob Fitrakis
The debate surrounding the federal government’s alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a “permanent ban on [the] basing of weapons in space.”
The bill, HR 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article “Stormy Weather,” which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich’s bill explicitly outlaws “chemtrails.”
Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings “a hoax.”
“The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,” Kucinich responded. Kucinich says he plans to reintroduce a broader version of the bill later this month. “Plasma, electromagnetics, sonic or ultrasonic weapons [and] laser weapons systems” were among those banned by HR 2977.
Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base informed Alive of the ongoing secret experiments, one involving weather modification and the other involving the creation of an aerial antenna using a barium stearate chemical trail. The scientists referred to the work of legendary inventor Nikola Tesla. Before Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (or “Star Wars”), there was Tesla’s vision of high-tech space-based warfare and weather modification.
According to Tesla biographer Margaret Cheney, federal agents seized Tesla’s papers after his death in 1943. “[At] least one set of Tesla’s papers had reached Wright Field [now Wright Patterson Air Force Base],” Cheney wrote. The Aeronautic Systems Division at Wright Patterson admitted it had the Tesla papers but claim they were “destroyed.”
However, Tesla’s dream is embodied in a glossy brochure titled “Vision for 2020” released by the U.S. Space Command in 1998. The brochure states, “The emerging synergy of space superiority with land, sea and air superiority will lead to Full Spectrum Dominance.”
The Space Command spells out its purpose pretty plainly: “Dominating the space dimension of military operations to protect U.S. interests and investment.”
There’s nothing new here, for those who have been paying attention. In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, bluntly stated in his book Between Two Ages, “Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need to be appraised… [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm.”
On January 4 this year, Canadian Professor Michel Chossudovsky, of the Center for Research on Globalization at the University of Ottawa, issued a report noting that weapons have the ability to trigger climate changes. “Both the Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate the world’s climate. In the U.S., the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI),” Chossudovsky wrote. “Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction.”
Doubters of the military’s secret plans should refer to George and Meredith Friedman’s The Future of War, Power, Technology and American World Dominance in the 21st Century. The Friedmans, government-touted “arms experts” and favorites of the military-industrial complex, assert that “The American experience of power will rest on the domination of space.”
The U.S. Air Force giddily embraced the Friedmans’ thesis in the 1996 report “New World Vistas: Air And Space Power For The 21st Century.” The Air Force report notes, “In the next two decades, new technologies will allow the fielding of space-based weapons of devastating effectiveness to be used to deliver energy and mass as force projection in tactical and strategic conflict.”
State University of New York Professor of Journalism Karl Grossman, writing in 1999, revealed how the mainstream corporate press virtually ignores the government’s pronouncements while trade journals like Space News, Defense News, Aviation Week, Space Technology and Electronic Engineering Times routinely report on the military-industrial complex’s high-tech breakthroughs.
As for chemtrail skeptics, they might want to consult Rutgers University Political Science Professor Leonard Cole’s book Clouds of Secrecy: The Army’s Germ Warfare Test Over Populated Areas. Chemtrail deniers are apparently happy with the thought that their beloved paternalistic government would engage in aerial spraying over densely populated areas.
U.S. Representative Marty Sabo, a Democrat from Minnesota, denounced “the secret Army program to spray Minneapolis and other cities with chemicals in the 1950s and ’60s,” the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported in September 1994. “The idea that the government would use its own citizens as guinea pigs is appalling, and I condemn it in the strongest possible terms,” Sabo told a House subcommittee investigating the secret spraying, which used fluorescent tracers to mark wind patterns.
As for the Army, it argues that the secret Cold War-era spraying was not “human experimentation” since it didn’t target any specific individuals and the zinc cadmium sulfide used was harmless. But the International Agency for Research on Cancer lists all cadmium compounds as known cancer-causing agents.
Former students of Clinton Elementary in south Minneapolis told an investigating panel from the National Research Council that the Army’s secret chemical spraying adversely affected their health, according to the Star Tribune.
Skeptics who continue to insist the government would never be involved in secret aerial spraying, particularly in Ohio, may want to address their questions to the C-130 aircrews from the 910th Airlift Wing stationed at Youngstown’s Air Reserve Station. In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, “Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy… The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air.” The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against “insects with their deadly diseases.”
Apparently insects take many forms. During the Seattle demonstrations against the World Trade Organization in November 1999, CNN reported that a military air unit with pathogen capacity to induce sickness in humans was deployed against the demonstrators.
January 24, 2002
Copyright © 2002 Columbus Alive, Inc. All rights reserved.
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“When walking amongst predators, never lose awareness of your surroundings. By itself, science tells us what should be. Only tempered with clinical observation and common sense, does it tell us what really is......”
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Deborah
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:34 pm
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.....i was going to thank deborah for at least trying to answer my questions, but she went and deleted her response to me. the one thing that i do remember was her saying that the "x" trails in the cockpit photos are signs of chemtrails.....
I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I have not made any such statement regarding "X" trails, nor have I "deleted" any response to you.
I have not, in fact, addressed you at all in this thread.
Thank you,
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Deborah
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:12 am
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ALCON -
Interesting photograph, as usual. Do you remember approximately what time of day that was taken?
No lobsters in the lake? I thought you guys had EVERYTHING in Texas - ha ha ha!
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Chem11
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:47 am
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quote:
do you have the atmospheric data at the time and altitude for the pictures taken? i assume that you dont so why then have you assumed that they are chemtrails.
I made no reference to any 'pictures taken', IB. Simply go outside at the time you observe persistent contrails and check the NASA contrail forecast. You asked what to look for, I responded and now you are engaged in some sort of imaginal conversation. My mistake. And responding to your self-stated 'assumption' that I am making assumptions would only encourage this fantasty dialogue you appear to be having with several different people on this thread. Make all the assumptions you like. It matters not in the least bit to me.
That goes for you too, T/S. The statement was enclosed in quotes in the Taos News. If you believe this to be some vast left-wing media conspiracy to further befuddle the Flat Earth Society, then march yourself down to their office, the office of Columbus Alive and Rep. Kucinichs's office and tell them that Dennis couldn't possibly have gone on record with this, because, well, it makes you feel uncomfortable.
Again... it doesn't matter in the least bit to me one way or the other. I am willing to provide requested information to anyone who displays legitimate and healthy scepticism. However, I am not going to waste my increasingly dwindling resources of time arguing what Dennis Kucinich means by 'chemtrail'. Quick hint: chemtrail is an abbreviation for chemical trail, indicitive of the intentional relase of chemicals into our atmosphere resulting in the appearance of a trail and defined as an 'exotic weapon' within the body of HR 2977.
That defintion is now a matter of congressional record. Deal. |
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theseeker
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:44 am
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http://www.rense.com/general20/cc.htm
That goes for you too, T/S. The statement was enclosed in quotes in the Taos News.
well it was not here...and btw...what I believe or feel about anything is nunn-ya...and to add I would not go to ohio even to get a answer, of a legitimate question, of whether he said or not....
but, it does make me wonder how it (chemtrails) actually got in there (hr-whatever), and I'm choking slightly as I write this, but if true I'd lean towards what you (chemm) posted recently about the military's intentions...
man..I need that drink...
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Dan Rockwell
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:52 am
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One tecate' with lime coming up. - I'd better make that a double for you T/S. |
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theseeker
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Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:50 am
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believe it or not, i am not trying to be argumentative, but getting a straight answer out of you guys is like pulling teeth.
lol !
get bent as bob b says...
and totally agree, alcon referenced other boards for a clarification of his aviation background and responses to earlier query, but the one's that I remember him posting on are dead now...*chemtrails.org" will get you a porn site these days...so IB your inquiry about alcon's aviation background is a valid one...
and hey alcon ain't these the same shoes O>J was wearing ? Hmmmm ? (fancy Italian shoesa)
oh and alcon, I asked for a area 51 pic recently, from way back you posted, it was a excellent desktop pic, and I really miss it...the link you gave does not render that photo there...it was a really good photoshop of "janet" parked in front of a sphinx and pyramid structures...
chow
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PacerLJ35
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:57 am
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I agree with IB....someone needs to honestly answer the questions. The photos show the exact same thing I see every time I fly, and there's absolutely nothing different.
And to add, I doubt ALCON777 is flying a Boeing 777....the photos seem to indicate he's flying an old DC-9.
But this is interesting, because ALCON777, whoever he is, is the FIRST pilot I've met in many years of flying for a living that's ever believed in the chemtrail myth. |
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Lulu
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:58 am
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Chemtrail reality.
One for the good guys. |
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Deborah
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:40 am
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Hi PacerLJ35 -
I take it you're still of the opinion that there has been no discernible change in the general condition of our skies since 1999, right?
[Just checking.]
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BOB B
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:50 am
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Lulu,,if ain't real, I did too much brown acid back in the 60s!!
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theseeker
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Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:49 am
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sorry...boy is my face red ! can't directly link them IB...cool snaps anyway !
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eyesopen
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Sat Apr 20, 2002 9:58 pm
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Here's a jet that left a monster trail a minute ago over my area. Really bad chem day today. This one was not the typical white jet. I watched them start over my house before 7:00 AM and they are still at it hard 9 hours later. The sky has clouded over by this activity. Don't believe if you don't want but all these jets definately changed the sky today here. Again this is one of dozens (at least) just over my house.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=1479&action=searchdbdisplay
sorry I have to go so thanks in advance if someone can identify. This much activity is way beyond normal for my area - we go for days without seeing any aircarft at all, although the past few weeks things have really gone downhill... |
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eyesopen
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Mon Apr 22, 2002 12:19 am
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IB,
you will have to forgive me for not debating this as after the zillionth time one begins to get tired.
The difference between chem and con in the photo: That right there may be a contrail. The photo was taken after this jet left a monster strip a bit back. I cannot say what the trail is at this point. I watched the persistent part of the trail for a couple of hours before it spread out to a haze - joining a dozen or so more persistent trails just like it over my house and in the near area. I alaso this happening inmany other places up to an hour away by car.
Typical white jet: Most aircraft I associate with "contrail" activity over my area are all white (some have a orange or red mark on the tail ans some seem to have a low visibility paint scheme).
"the airspace over your location ": I have lived here some years now and have watched the air traffic change considerably. Some days,like today, I see no jets at all - not one so far today. There were dozens yesterday - I would guess I could have taken photos of 30+ on the safe side. This jets or no jets varies considerably. The days I see no traffic might be very busy the next week.
cloud cover: Well believe or not, the presence of these large numbers of aircraft always are followed by certain "cloud" conditions and certain ground haze/fog conditions. Without fail.
Also I watch these jets fly very close to each other. Way too close for me to think it is normal commercial aircraft. Do you fly right at another jet and cross it's path at extremely close distances?
Ok I'm done but don't get me wrong, I appreciate and do read and listen to your opinion IB. If you want to see more photos of any example I spoke of, send me youe email with the message feature here, or go to
www.deepspace4.com
and read the Auburn Maine section that I submit. Also read Izakovic's very interesting Croatian Chemtrail diary, and the Bossier LA one too for that matter - they are not too long but very enlightening.
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Deborah
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Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:34 am
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Innocent Bystander:
With all due respect for your efforts here, I would like to ask you this one question:
You make a point of emphasizing that "contrails" can, indeed, persist for hours, as if this fact is somehow supposed to make everyone feel better about the condition of our skies.
I'm asking you, point-blank, why you seem to find it so strange that people continue to be concerned that our skies are now CLOGGED with these damned trails for what is becoming, in many regions, a majority of the time. And why do you not seem to feel that this is a PROBLEM?
Another thing that is beginning to really irritate me is that this mess is increasingly being referred to as "high clouds" in the media and by broadcast meteorologists. For the most part, these are NOT "clouds" in the traditional sense of the word. They are the result of aerosol deposits, if you will, being made continuously in our upper atmosphere. I think it's time for the media to be honest and start calling this crap what it IS.
Because, in my opinion, it IS crap - and it IS affecting regional weather and climate patterns. And people ARE getting sick from these changes.
Please don't ask me to *prove it*. I can only speak for myself but I'm telling you that I've been watching this situation for three years now and that conditions on the surface here in my area have changed SIGNIFICANTLY since summer 1999.
I would really appreciate it if you could address these comments specifically.
Thank you,
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