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Thermit
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Testing Testing...
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just a test... |
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Jeanie
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Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:20 pm
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Thermit would you please explain the purpose of that test and while your at it please inform me of the date CTC came into existence and what purpose CTC was meant to serve. The debunkers have me thinking I made the wrong assumption, that it was a site on which sharing of credible information concerning the obvious and provable lacing of our skies worldwide with chemtrails has been, is, and will be, taking place.
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hitech_46253
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Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:40 pm
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Is anybody else having trouble with this site? I'm seeing VERY SLOW response time, It took me six tries to post on the drought topic. Many times I'd get a blank page not found response. This seems to be getting WORSE over the past few days.
This is the only site I'm having these kinds of problems with.
This is attempt #1 to post this. |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Thu Feb 20, 2003 7:51 pm
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Jeanie, the test was related to some problems with the front page news that were related to our recent server problems. You may be interested in reading some of our News Archive. It contains the front page news stories posted by me, until the front page was converted to being driven from the Chemtrails forum.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/archive.shtml
I started CTC around 5/8/2000, the purpose was to 'Search for Answers in the Chemtrail Issue'. I researched Chemtrails and contrails. What I think and what I found is quite interesting, but I'm afraid that my position isn't taken by very many Chemtrail activists or by any Chemtrail skeptics.
The part of my position that Chemtrail activists will agree with, but skeptics will disagree with is:
Chemtrails are real.
The part of my position that many Chemtrail activists will disagree with, but skeptics will agree with is:
Contrails can easily last for hours and hours and obscure the sky.
The rest of my position is probably not accepted by many Chemtrail activists, or any skeptics:
Chemtrails are less common than contrails, and many Chemtrail reports (but definately not all) are mistaken reports of actual contrails.
Since this is my position, and in a way I agree with both some of what the Chemtrail activists claim, and some of what the skeptics claim, I feel it is fair and correct that individuals of both points of view are able to participate in our forums.
hitech, you may be interested in reading this thread regarding server problems...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000058.html#17
This thread will be moved to Freeform soon since it has posts. I should have deleted my test post last night, but didn't have time.
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Jeanie
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:03 am
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Thanks Thermit for your reply to my questions. I also accept the fact that contrails can last a length of time.
"Chemtrails are less common than contrails, and many Chemtrail reports (but definately not all) are mistaken reports of actual contrails."
I have to take issue with your thought that more times than not we are seeing contrails. On an active spray day we may have spray planes going over every few minutes. All coming from same direction, north east, heading south west, rarely but occaisionally, south to north, I don't need to describe what is being seen, we've seen thousands of pictures and read multi descriptions. There is no question that a military operation is being conducted around the globe without informing the subjects of this government and possibly others who are footing the bill. They need to make an accounting.
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Trail Nix
Joined: 26 Nov 2002
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:54 am
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I would like to ask a few questions, Thermit, on specific aspects of the chemtrail/contrail subject you just mentioned.
First, it appears as if the trails are either very short or very long. It would seem that in varying conditions of humidity, we would see a continuum of lengths (if it is all the same "stuff", but only the atmospheric conditions vary). Is there a meteorologic threshold which causes this flip from short to long?
Second, what is the stuff that drops down after the long trails are created? There is a feathering down of the stuff -- whatever it is -- and then it is caught by air movement and spreads out. This is the usual, but not only, scenario. Does water vapor split itself and fan out for hours in one kind of trail, but just disappear in the short trail?
Lastly, if the contrails themselves are lingering and spreading for hours, are we/you so certain that they are just water vapor? Isn't it possible, or probable, that whatever has changed in recent years is the nature of the exhaust so that more than water vapor is emitted? If so, then the contrails themselves are a problem.
Said another way, a spreading, dropping and fanning, lingering trail of stuff, by any other name is still a spreading, dropping.....
Trail Nix
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:30 am
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>>Is there a meteorologic threshold which causes this flip from short to long?<<
Probably.
>>Second, what is the stuff that drops down after the long trails are created? There is a feathering down of the stuff -- whatever it is -- and then it is caught by air movement and spreads out.<<
Generaaly, I have not seen anything feather down. However, depending on conditions, the condensation nuclei could cause heavy enought droplets that may fall and evaporate. Ie. Virga.
>>This is the usual, but not only, scenario. Does water vapor split itself and fan out for hours in one kind of trail, but just disappear in the short trail?<<
I'm not sure what you mean but yes, depending on the conditions (including RH, Wind, Veritical motion,) will dictate how long a contrail may persist.
>>Lastly, if the contrails themselves are lingering and spreading for hours, are we/you so certain that they are just water vapor?<<
I think the evidence I've seen say yes, they are only water. One of the biggest evidences is the presence of halos(and associated effects), irridesice, and coronas. These phenonena were documented before airplanes ever flew. If there are more halos etc. around now becuase of increases in contrails, then that makes we lean toward contrails made of water.
>>Isn't it possible, or probable, that whatever has changed in recent years is the nature of the exhaust so that more than water vapor is emitted? If so, then the contrails themselves are a problem.<<
The case may be that there are more contrails either from an increase in airplanes or the characteristics of the engines/fuels have changed such that it is easier for contrails to form (just a thought). Increased contrails may cause enviromental concerns when you concider an increase to the earth's albedo or even the warming effects that increased clouds have.
Actually "warming" effects are an interesting subject which I would love to discuss if anybody is interested.
>>Said another way, a spreading, dropping and fanning, lingering trail of stuff, by any other name is still a spreading, dropping.....<<
Spreading yes, I really have not seen many (very few in fact) signs of "dropping."
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mark sky
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:20 am
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well this all comes around again to the nub
you either feel that everything is groovie
or that something has changed
the everything is groovie side
has unlimited tax and print capability
the something has changed side has unlimited
spirate
good luck~ and on your mark ~ be set |
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Trail Nix
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:40 pm
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If you haven't seen anything drop or fan from a trail, then you haven't looked up from So. California. That is what we get. One only has to have eyes to see...some particles are heavier than others. There is a regular interval to the drop throughout the length of the trail, over a distance I would imagine is characterized by varying meteorologic conditions.
If there is a meteorologic threshold which defines whether a trail is short or long, I want it explained. There is not a continuum of lengths.
It is not a matter of amount of traffic, again because the change would have been more or less incremental.
Have condensation nuclei changed?
Let us not divert the subject to halos, but keep it to lines. If you would like to discuss warming, I would think a different thread should be started.
Spirit, yes, Mark, thanks.
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hitech_46253
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:25 pm
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Thanks for the informative reply Thermit.
I also am VERY CONCERNED about what amounts to CENSORSHIP on this forum. I'm curious what happened to the debunkster forum that is now mirrored at this site: http://www.orbwar.com/removed-topic-1.htm
I'm also curious if this statement was actually made ostensibly by 'Lulu' aka Terry Reed: "Behavioral data? I'm the only one compiling psychological profiles and ips trace-backs of all the main players.
BTW FK has been officially bart-mooned (:"
Folks this NAZI type statement is worthy of Tom Ridge or Ashcrack and not what should be a free flowing idea forum.
I CERTAINLY don't TRUST this person to be fair in thier decisions of who to 'MONITOR.'
Further, I was called a LIAR in the post that seems to have been moved and this person decides who is allowed to post what?
WHERE DID I LIE TERRY?
Further, there is a complaint that the email address of delicious has been ALTERED from: info@orbwar.com
Are any other profiles being edited by this 'Lulu' who FAVORS debunksters???
I think you've got one of the best sites for this material BAR the debunksters but also feel people like Lulu are a THREAT to its integrity! |
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:13 pm
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>>If you haven't seen anything drop or fan from a trail, then you haven't looked up from So. California. That is what we get.<<
Pictures, please.
>>Have condensation nuclei changed?<<
There are lots of different nuclei. I'd say
probably not, however.
>>It is not a matter of amount of traffic, again because the change would have been more or less incremental.<<
Air traffic didn't increase incrementally?
>>If there is a meteorologic threshold which defines whether a trail is short or long, I want it explained. There is not a continuum of lengths.<<
Try these links: http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/Flagstaff/science/contrail.htm
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Feelin Kocky
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:18 pm
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>>BTW FK has been officially bart-mooned (:"<<
Good factual comeback.  You may need to have "hi" removed from hitech so nobody mistakes you for somebody intelligent. 
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hitech_46253
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:34 pm
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Gee FK, that was part of the quote I'd copied. Guess I should have enhanced it with "" for your benefit.
I didn't type it! I copied it. |
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Feelin Kocky
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:38 pm
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Then I retract my previous disparaging statement. Friends?
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Lulu
Joined: 22 Dec 2000
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:53 pm
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>>for your benefit.<<
For FKs benefit Larry? FK already knew that he was officially bart-mooned, that happened a while ago on another thread Larry, really you are quite behind the times on the bart-moon thing...perhaps you need to pay attention more? It was taken all in good fun eh FK? in fact I enjoy conversing with FK and he knows it Larry. He at least is able to carry on intelligent conversation, something you are unable to do IMO. BTW Larry I'm sure this went way over your head what FK said to you ~~~
>>Good factual comeback<<
but in light of what I just told you I'm sure you get it now???
As for your other statements about me Larry such as
"I CERTAINLY don't TRUST this person to be fair in thier decisions of who to 'MONITOR.'"
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but doesn't make it any more factual does it Larry?
You lied when you said amoung other things that a few lines was all you got out of me regarding an e-mail I replied to of yours (and keep in mind that I never gave you permission to post a private e-mail of mind here Larry), when in fact you had got much more including legitimate questions regarding your "chemtrails are causing drought" theory, to which you have never satisfactory answered. That you lied and said you never knew Lulu was Terry Reed when in fact if you e-mailed Lulu and get a reply back with Terry Reed as sender, only an idiot wouldn't know the two were the same.
>>You may need to have "hi" removed from hitech so nobody mistakes you for somebody intelligent.<<
You got it right the first time with this factual statement Feelin Kocky !!
Some "test" eh Thermit?
And what the hell does this mean Larry?
>>Further, there is a complaint that the email address of delicious has been ALTERED from: info@orbwar.com
Are any other profiles being edited by this 'Lulu' who FAVORS debunksters???<<
What are you implying by OTHERS, are you saying that I somehow altered Info@orbwar.com e-mail? this is utter bull s!@# and this statement IMO is TOTAL slander Larry. Grounds for banning. Treading on very thin ice you are Larry, this is your last warning.
>>that you will not use this board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate,<<
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