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FLKook
Joined: 28 Apr 2001
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 Sat May 05, 2001 7:35 pm
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I'm very concerned about the possibility of a spray program
"Possibility"? Does this mean you are not certain that there is a spray program going on? Your kidding right? Maybe I misread this, but have you looked up lately?
We agree on one thing though. Klintooon was the worst element. IMHO, should have been shot publicly for espionage.
Voted for GW as the lesser of two evils, my personal jury is still out on him. Hope the apple fell far far from the tree and rolled in to the next county. Not real thrilled about him taking the oath on the Masonic bible. Ya know what I mean? |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sat May 05, 2001 9:16 pm
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I'll be honest with you FLKook....I go back and forth on chemtrails. One day I'm beyond absolutely certain that something is going on....the next day, the scientific side of me says not to jump to conclusions until there is more evidence. I get frustrated with people on both sides of this issue who assume facts not in evidence (like Jay Reynold's for example), and it would therefore be hypocritical of me to just publicly assume that everything said on the internet to be true. Privately however....I'm fairly convinced. I have yet to see the smoking gun though so this brings in an element of doubt from time to time as I listen to some of the skeptical arguments. Questioning is healthy….Accepting without question, is not.
I try to keep an open (yet hopefully not vacuous) mind to all possibilities.
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FLKook
Joined: 28 Apr 2001
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Sat May 05, 2001 10:03 pm
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Hey Cyquest: I respect your position to follow your heart but if you are not convinced yet in your head you may want to talk to someone about physics.
I know several physicists (of the nuclear variety) and every one of them has confirmed to me in no uncertain terms that what we are seeing could not be nautrally formed normal contrails. That with just observing the trails, not being presented with any "facts" or "evidence" that is online. Once they had a chance to poke around they held Cliff's site in regard.
They don't all agree with me that something untoward is going on, in as much as there are malevolent tones to all of this. It has been brought to my attention that "I spend entirely too much energy on the issue".
Most are ex-military that matter of factly (and with what I believe in all honesty)state that it is obvious military ops and leave them alone if they are keeping it secret it is with good reason. See that's the part I don't buy with a blanket order at face value.
Let me add the footnote that most of these people are from a different era where patriotism, and pride in one's country was as sacred as family, fishing, your dog and church. And not necessarily in that order.
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chemtrailsorg
Joined: 03 May 2001
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Location: Austin,TX,US |
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Sun May 06, 2001 1:53 am
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I think a class of atmospheric chemistry is in order for a number of members. I have been going to school on this subject ever since I started my research. I found out I didn't know enough, at the beginning to fight off the critics well enough to be taken seriously.I mean I am a pretty sharp guy with some ground school and lots of aerospace education and still I did not know enough to really figure this out.
I think the perception of global warming was enough for them to try this geoengineering program, the Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding.
Maybe there is some ulterior motive as well. For instance when you look at the ingredience in this US patent # 500318 the main component is aluminum oxide, and thorium oxide, and other Welsbach materials. None of them good for people to have added to their air or their ground water.
Here is some links to some of the research papers I read and collected off the web. These will give you a start to the idea of weather forcing technology and it's applications.
http://www.chemtrails.org/geoscen.pdf
http://www.chemtrails.org/Lecture25.pdf
http://www.chemtrails.org/helsinki.pdf
http://www.metatronics.net/lit/geo2.html
Fellow researchers when you can read through these files and understand them well enough to be critical of their reasoning or conclusions then in my opinion you are ready to take on the critics or become one your self if you are so inclined.
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sun May 06, 2001 8:11 am
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I don't think the purpose for chemtrails is to respond to global warming......and I'll give you my reasoning:
For one thing, I believe government officials understand global warming is a hoax....because many are the same ones perpetuating the hoax for political purposes. Now global warming may be a natural process the Earth goes through between ice ages.....but does man cause it? Now that's the question to which there is no positive answer or proof, only assumption. The idea that the US is the largest producer of CO2 emissions, a "greenhouse gas", is the main argument that allows other countries to blame the problem of global warming on the United States....and hence we end up with treaties like the Kyoto protocol, which if ratified, would fundamentally hand US energy policy directly over to the UN (which can't even manage itself competently).
As you can see, this is nothing more than a ploy to usurp power and sovereignty from the United States. Our entire system of government is founded on a sound energy policy. If another nation, or organization like the United Arab Emirirates or OPEC obtained countrol over US energy....they control the US economy and therefore they control the entire US. Clinton was well into the process of giving other nations this kind of control, (as we are now feeling at the gas pumps) and the Kyoto protocol was just another tool to do this. What they can't accomplish on the battlefield, they always attempt to accomplish through diplomacy and incrementalism, which is perhaps an even more dangerous approach (because it works). I recommend reading the Kyoto protocol and the UN charter sometime...I skimmed through some of it and it's pretty scary stuff. Even scarier was the thought that if Gore had been elected, the Kyoto treaty might have been ratified by now.
But the point is.....leftist government officials do not see global warming as a real problem because they're the ones perpetuating the hoax. Therefore, a chemical spraying program would not be directed toward a global warming problem in my opinion.
I think a much more likely probability would be something related to real concerns that nations have, and those usually involve national security....hence the national security agency and military would most likely be involved in a chemical spraying program.
One theory, of course, is weather modification, which I find somewhat more likely since the Air Force is on public record as stating that one of their objectives is to own the weather....Then there’s my own theory of an EMP defense shield since EMP is the preferred weapon of choice in modern atomic warfare. This is why I believe GW’s SDI program is a relevant issue pertaining to chemtrails. An EMP defense shield using aerial applications of aluminum oxide might repel enough EMP radiation from an aerial atomic explosion of a neutron bomb to save some ground electronics, allowing them to remain viable for a response attack. This, of course, would be the last layer in a multi-tiered missile defense system.
But as far as global warming goes....I don't think politicians give a rat's kiester about it except for the issue’s use as a political tool by the leftists in high positions for instituting a one world government.
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