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Chem11
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Goldrush,
I have no problem with anyone whose opinions on the reality of chemtrails differ from my own.
I am not angry nor did I 'slam' anyone. I think the tone of my posts reflect that. You have made a few other untenable assumptions as well.
What I do have a problem with is people intimidating other particpants, intentionally violating the integrity of discussion boards, posting information on how to do so and particpating in and/or condoning hoaxes.
All these are facts and matters of record.
I was wondering when a proxy response to this would be forthcoming. And I am loving every minute of it. Give DaNiece my best.
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defender
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Fri Apr 27, 2001 8:00 am
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Chem11,
If nothing else, they are persistent.
BTW, that C.L.U.C.K. was an attempt by whats her name to deceive us, not a legit org in WA or anywhere else. Right?
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Chem11
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Fri Apr 27, 2001 9:13 am
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Well, so am I Defender. So am I.
But the damage has been done. And it certainly does bring up some interesting strategic choices. One day this is going to enter the mainstream national media in a much more legitamte forum than USA Today. They will get their fifteen seconds and we will get ours. If I was in position of trying to legitimately debunk this story, I sure wouldn't want to have this particular ghost in my closet.
So what do you do? Damage control would be my first priority. When someone presents this big of a liability to your mission you have little choice other than completely dis-associating yourself from them and condemning their actions.
And what of the people who condoned and celebrated this embarrassment? How does this reflect on their judgement and credibility? Not favorably, in my opinion. Nor in the opinion of the public at large if the issue of alleged hoaxes should arise.
So you're really screwed. You either have to abandon your current strategy or cut loose everyone involved and hope that's enough to salvage your own credibility.
I know what I'd do, but then again I'm no debunker.
I honestly don't know what some of these people are thinking. |
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Chem11
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Fri Apr 27, 2001 9:48 am
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Well, as I understand it, C.L.U.C.K. was an informal group of 'vetted' posters at carnicom. A good number of these people came rushing to CD's defense after she turned, apparently out of personal loyalty. The perception was that this was being done in an effort to perpetuate the myth that these were 'normal contrails being dispersed by commercial aircraft'. I don't think that was the case... eventually CD's closest allies tore her arguements to pieces
and turned their backs.
Unfortunately, a lot of mistrust being directed, even in this forum, can be attributed to those events.
Perhaps that was the plan all along. Perhaps not. I do know that she burned her closest friends and alledged allies.
History has a way of repeating itself, no? |
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defender
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Fri Apr 27, 2001 4:00 pm
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Yes, it does. If I'm not mistaken, in one of the threads here that CD started, "Cluckster"? she states openly that she herself invented C.L.U.C.K. as a joke. But I thought that another source said it had Deborah (from Boston) and someone else who was thought to be a legit chemtrail activist as members?
We could build a very convincing case if any of this ever did go to court, as far as debunkers using ANY method available to shut down constructive communication on the chemtrail issue.
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Chem11
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Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:32 am
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Oh God. I found the thread you are referring to defender. The Crypto-C.L.U.C.K. Goes Cuckoo post was actually written by The Sunspot, not you-know-who. Why she did not give credit to the original author is troubling, as is presenting this piece as an actual AP release.
Notice the laundry-list of 'disinfo-drag queens' contained in the 'article'.. immediately prior to it's appearance the The Sunspot wrote a similar piece ridiculing those of us who were reporting illness after being exposed to CT's. When I asked him to explain his position he penned this press release. The only common ground any of the participants he named shared was their reports of illness.
I pointed this out and he responded by posting an open letter to cecarnicom claiming that he was being attacked because of his homosexuality (something I was unaware of prior to his mentioning it) and that this, that or the other gay-rights group would be 'aghast' at the treatment he was receiving.
Well, that didn't go over too well. Mostly because it was complete and utter nonsense. The thread was removed and that was the last I saw of The Sunspot, until today...
Ya know, I actually tracked down someone that had been banned from Clifford's at her board. This individual had made a mistake and publically apolgized to me. I was impressed enough that I responded to him there. What I found was that there are people who have an inherent and deeply skeptical nature with questions that need to be legitimately addressed.
And there are those that engage in an easily documented pattern of deception.
It really doesn't serve either side of the debate to allow these individuals to prosper.
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defender
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Sat Apr 28, 2001 1:19 am
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I know, I hate to waste anymore space on it, but it seems like a good idea to keep track of the games they play? |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Sat Apr 28, 2001 1:48 am
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The Final Word
Enclosed you will find a link to a thread that substantiates everything that has been said regarding 'Chickie Deb' and her activities.
Amazingly enough, it is entitled Chemtrail Central, originally posted by Thermit. This is absolutely required reading by anyone interested in the topic of disinformation and hoaxes. It also contains a tour de force rebuttal by Djembemon that is most entertaining and informative.
I was unaware that this thread was still in existence.
Would anyone care to take a guess as to who originally saved this amazing thread from the abyss?
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3622.topic
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drummerboy
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Tue May 08, 2001 6:34 pm
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For the record, C.L.U.C.K was invented as a joke, in order to rally those of us that were being ridiculed by a nasty Jay Reynolds. I coined the initials from Chicken Little Unified Chemtrail Konsortium, which was intended to be a humorous response to all those who thought us chemtrail watchers as "Sky-Fallers" and other derisive Chicken Little types. Much fun was had by all discussing rank and posts in this fake organization, and for a few weeks I even considered registering as a real organization, but it served its purpose of uniting observent people who, for a short while, could laugh at the ostracizing that was being received from the Debunkers. |
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