Chemtrail Central
Login
Member List
Image Database
Chemtrail Forum
Active Topics
Who's Online
Search
Research
Flight Explorer
Unidentifiable
FAQs
Phenomena
Disinformation
Silver Orbs
Transcripts
News Archive
Channelings
Etcetera
PSAs
Media
Vote


Chemtrail Central
Search   FAQs   Messages   Members   Profile
TWA 800 for sorethroat

Post new topic Reply to topic
Chemtrail Central > Conspiracy

Author Thread
Duncan Kunz





Joined: 19 Oct 2000
Posts: 582
PostThu May 09, 2002 11:31 pm  Reply with quote  

"Am I the only one here that could care less about what Kunz does or doesn't believe?"

I assume you mean "couldn't care less".

And I am not in the least surprised that some people here don't bother to ask for verification. It is a hallmark of those folks to buy into anything anyone says without asking for the source. Or, as they might reply:

"Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full."

BTW, I forgot to mention, throat: I have some excellent beachfront property just south of Gila Bend.
 View user's profile Send private message
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostFri May 10, 2002 12:22 am  Reply with quote  





I found this image of the left side of flight 800 that is said to show evidence of a missile impact. According to the site I found it on, the missile penetrated the cabin of the jet at a shallow angle. Note what appears to be a hole wih scrape marks on the right hand side of the fuselage. It was also reported that traces of PETN residue were found on the seats in this section as well as explosive residue consistent with the combustion byproducts of an aluminum / ammonium perchlorate solid fuel rocket motor.

More information can be found here. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/CHART/chart.html

BTW, Thanks for resizing those images Thermit.


[Edited 3 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 09-26-2002]
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostFri May 10, 2002 9:31 am  Reply with quote  

From the NewsMax.com: Commentmax Archives.

Someone Has Finally Talked
Reed Irvine
Jan. 31, 2002

Those who accept the governmentís claim that the crash of TWA Flight 800 was caused by a fuel-tank explosion dismiss the evidence that the plane was shot down accidentally by missiles launched in a Navy exercise off the Long Island coast. They say that such an accident could not have been covered up because a lot of Navy personnel would have known about it, and some of them would have talked. One of them has finally done so.

He recently said in an interview that I recorded that he was on the deck of a Navy submarine very close to the crash site and saw TWA 800 shot down. He was brought to my attention by an acquaintance of his who told me that this retired Navy petty officer had said he was "underneath TWA 800 when he saw a missile hit it and the 747 explode overhead."

He had told this acquaintance that he had given a statement to the FBI when they returned to their port, and that the FBI had checked all their torpedo tubes and all their missile silos to make sure they had all the missiles on board that they had when they left port. Asked if there were other military vessels in the area, he had said, "Yes, several."

When Pierre Salinger, at a press conference in March 1997, declared that TWA Flight 800 had been shot down accidentally by a U.S. Navy missile, this former presidential press secretary, U.S. senator and ABC News correspondent was mercilessly attacked by his former colleagues. They accused him of peddling unsubstantiated Internet gossip. Salinger said that his information had been confirmed by a source who learned of the Navyís involvement from a friend who had a son in the Navy.

The son was said to have personal knowledge that a Navy missile had downed the plane, but his father did not want to be identified, fearing his son would suffer retaliation for disclosing information the Navy was hiding. There are hundreds of Navy and Coast Guard personnel, as well as some FBI, CIA, FAA, NTSB and former White House employees, who know that the real cause of the crash of TWA 800 was papered over with a tissue of lies. Two of them, James Kallstrom and George Stephanopoulos, have made statements that indicate an official cover-up.

Stephanopoulos, a Clinton adviser who is now an ABC News correspondent, mentioned on the air a secret meeting in the White House situation room "in the aftermath of the TWA 800 bombing." Kallstrom, who headed the FBIís TWA 800 investigation, told me Ė and I have this on tape Ė that three radar targets close to the crash site were Navy vessels on a classified maneuver.

We know they were submarines because the radar tracks disappeared when TWA 800 crashed.Our newly found talker was on one of those submarines. The Navy claims that it was at least 80 miles from the crash site, but he says it was very close, and that is confirmed by the radar tracks. In our taped interview, he was more guarded than he had been with his acquaintance. He said he didnít want to do anything that might "mess up" his retirement.

He said he saw "something come up." "I donít know what in the hell it was," he said, "but thatís what it looked ..." Not completing what he started to say, he said, "You know, something went up."

He estimated that it went up about a mile from his location, which was only a few miles from the shore. He said there were a couple of other subs nearby. When told that the radar tracks of all three disappeared because they submerged when the plane went down, he said, "Yeah, thatís what we did."

He acknowledged that a number of Navy vessels were heading for W-105, a large area of the ocean south of Long Island that is used for naval maneuvers. He said that nothing they did off Long Island was classified, but he was not comfortable in discussing it.

When I called him a few days later, he was scared to death. He feared the Navy would withdraw his pension if I reported what he had said. It was not possible to convince him that the Navy couldnít do that. Not wanting to worsen his anxiety, his name and other details are being withheld as we try to get his and other interview reports that the FBI has withheld.

Reed Irvine is chairman of Accuracy in Media. http://www.newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2002/1/31/020438
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
KrissaTMC2





Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 472
Location: Greenwich, CT, USA
PostSat May 11, 2002 12:38 am  Reply with quote  



The Original CNN Story.

TWA crash investigator won't comment on explosives report
August 23, 1996

Web posted at: 2:00 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- A key investigator of the crash of TWA Flight 800 declined Friday to
confirm or deny a CNN report that a trace of explosives had been found in the
wreckage of the passenger cabin.

Robert Francis of the National Transportation Safety Board also refused to
comment on a similar report in The New York Times.

The chemical PETN (pentaerythritol tetranitrate) was found on the right side
of the forward passenger cabin between rows 15 and 25, a source told CNN.

The Paris-bound flight exploded and crashed on July 17, killing all 230
passengers and crew aboard. Francis said the NTSB and the FBI were still
trying to determine if the explosion was caused by a bomb, a missile or
mechanical failure. "We need more evidence," he said.

PETN is often used in blasting caps or small detonators, explosives expert
Jack McGeorge said on CNN Friday during a live interview. But he said it would
not be the "majority explosive" in a bomb or missile warhead.

McGeorge described PETN as a "common" explosive that is "typically used together with other things." When investigators find residue of the "other things, they
will be a lot more confident" about what caused the explosion, he said.

There has been no credible claim of responsibility for the downing of Flight
800. "It hasn't moved an inch," one U.S. intelligence official told CNN,
referring to the investigation into a possible international link to the
explosion.




[Edited 2 times, lastly by KrissaTMC2 on 05-10-2002]
 View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
KrissaTMC2





Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 472
Location: Greenwich, CT, USA
PostSat May 11, 2002 1:14 am  Reply with quote  



This is just a diagram of where the residue was found on flight 800.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 09-26-2002]
 View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Sore Throat





Joined: 01 Sep 2000
Posts: 1923
Location: x
PostSat May 11, 2002 2:30 am  Reply with quote  

Some very interesting questions posed:
http://members.aol.com/bardonia/musings.htm
http://members.aol.com/bardonia/

Retired Navy Brass Revives Twa Missile Theory
Officers Voice Suspicions Over Fbi's Findings
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/navy800.htm
http://hometown.aol.com/bardonia2/part12.htm
 View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostSat May 11, 2002 6:52 am  Reply with quote  

I found this one piece of information concerning the final moments of Flight 800 that were recorded by the flight data recorder quite disturbing.

quote:
The final readings show chaos in the sky -- with airspeed dropping instantly by almost 200 knots, the pitch angle jumping five degrees, altitude dropping 3,600 feet in about three seconds, the roll angle going from zero to 144 degrees (the plane almost inverted), and magnetic heading changing from 82 degrees to 163 degrees.

The small vane that measures wind angle striking the nose -- situated on the left forward fuselage -- goes from 3 degrees to 106 degrees back to 30 degrees.


I wonder how much of the data was edited, especially the minute or so before the explosion as the missile screeched toward them or whether or not they saw it coming and tried to evade it.
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostSat Jun 01, 2002 6:56 am  Reply with quote  

CommentMax

TWA 800 Findings Challenged
Reed Irvine
May 31, 2002

On the heels of the release of Accuracy in Media's award-winning documentary, "TWA 800: The Search for the Truth," FIRO, the TWA Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, has petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) to reconsider its decision on what caused the plane to crash.

The NTSB's rules provide for such petitions if new evidence has been found or it can be shown that the NTSB findings were erroneous. FIRO's 19-page petition, supported by 71 pages of attachments, can be found on FIRO's Web site, www.flight800.org. It shows that the NTSB's finding that the crash was initiated by a spontaneous explosion in the center-wing fuel tank was erroneous, pointing out that the investigators were unable to find any source of ignition that could have caused the empty fuel tank to explode.

The board's finding was based on an assumption, not evidence. Attachment II of the FIRO petition discusses an analysis of radar data by an FBI consultant who concluded that a component of the plane was blown out of its right side as soon as electric power was lost.

It was the first part of the plane to hit the water, a quarter of a mile closer to the shore than the next closest part. This cannot be explained by the NTSB's fuel-tank explosion theory.

FIRO charges that the NTSB withheld from the public and parties to the investigation the results of the analysis of a strange loud sound recorded on the cockpit voice recorder.

The tape was sent to England to be analyzed by sound experts at the University of Southampton to determine if the explosion was high velocity from an explosive device or low velocity from a fuel-air mixture. The conclusion reached by the British experts has been withheld by the NTSB on the grounds that it "would create a safety hazard."

Translation: it was high velocity.

Another important example of evidence that was classified secret and was withheld from the public was the discovery that metals of "unknown origin" were found in the bodies of many of the 230 who died in the crash on July 17, 1996. The FBI asked the Brookhaven National Laboratory to analyze one of 20 small pellets found in one of the bodies. They contained zirconium and barium, indicative of an incendiary device foreign to a Boeing 747 airliner. The FBI made no effort to determine the source of these pellets.

Retired Brig. Gen. Benton Partin, who helped design missiles for the Air Force, has said that the Brookhaven Laboratory's analysis of the composition of the mysterious pellets suggests to him that they came from a missile. The FBI never showed Gen. Partin or any other missile experts the Brookhaven analysis. They were content to describe the pellets as "origin unknown." Throwing a secrecy blanket over this evidence and failing to determine its source indicates that they knew that sourcing it accurately would undermine their claim that a spontaneous fuel-tank explosion caused the crash.

The Suffolk County coroner, Dr. Wetli, found shrapnel in 89 of the bodies he examined.

The FBI compiled an eight-page list describing the metal found in each body, classifying it secret. FIRO has sued under FOIA to obtain this list. The court ordered the FBI to release it, but the bureau is trying to get the order reversed on privacy grounds, claiming it invades the privacy of the dead. That is a spurious argument because the dead have no privacy rights, but FIRO is not arguing that point. What it wants is the description of the metal found in each of those bodies. It is believed that a lot of it will be pellets. The names can be redacted.

The penchant of the FBI and NTSB for classifying, hiding and altering the TWA Flight 800 evidence shows that they knew the evidence did not support their findings. Last summer the NTSB, headed by a Bush appointee, secretly sold the TWA 800 wreckage, except for the mock-up of the fuselage and one engine, to a recycler. The buyer had to promise to keep it secret to get the contract.

The NTSB says the secrecy requirement was to keep away scavengers and souvenir hunters. Baloney! Why should they care about that once the wreckage was sold? Because what they were really destroying was evidence that could have been used to prove that their explanation of the cause of the crash was wrong. Some of it was so revealing that the FBI would not let even the NTSB investigators see it.

Reed Irvine is chairman of Accuracy in Media.
http://www.newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2002/5/30/144706
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostSat Jun 01, 2002 8:15 pm  Reply with quote  

http://twa800.com/images/islip_radar.jpg

Plots are from 11 minutes before the explosion until 14 minutes after the explosion. The data comes from raw NTSB radar data originally released under FOIA and now publicly available on NTSB CD dated August 2000


Chart Showing Location of Military Exercise Area on 7-17-96




quote:
Debris Pattern
The path of the main fuselage and wings of flight 800 is clear through radar sweep 8 when it disappears from radar. There are multiple hits at each sweep of the radar due to debris from the initial explosion. There are four main areas of debris.

The first is from the initial explosion (orange debris field), which happened after 20:31:12, but before 20:31:16.7. This explosion ejected several pieces of debris at high velocity, at right angles, which show up in radar sweeps 1 and 2. Some of the parts were blown as far as 3,200-ft. by Sweep 2, in less than 9.4 seconds but more than 4.69 seconds. By carefully measuring the course of he ejected material and back tracking to its intersection with the aircraft's track, the time of the explosive event can be estimated at 31:13.8. The lead ejecta therefore covered 3.200 ft. in 7 seconds.

The second area of debris is from the separation of the nose section ( red debris field). It appears to have separated from the aircraft at approximately Sweep 2, 9-10 seconds after the last transponder return.

The third area of debris are a cluster of hits as the nose section falls (yellow debris field) from 13,750 ft. These continued to show up sporadically on the radar through radar Sweep 20, or approximately 94 seconds after the initial explosion. There is a significant anomaly in this debris field as the radar picked up an object on radar sweep 1 that was over 1.5 nautical miles from the aircraft's path in 4.69 seconds. In addition, as the nose of the aircraft fell from 13,750 ft, because of its size, it should have been visible on every sweep of the radar and it was not. It appears that some data is missing from the radar data file.

The last debris field (green debris field) is around the location where the main fuselage, wings and engines landed. There are hits on the main fuselage through Sweep 8 and then there is not another radar Hit until Sweep 14 where wreckage is recorded floating downwind through Sweep 20 at this location. There are also parts of the CWT and other objects more than 1 mile downwind from the last radar return and there is a large plume of debris emanating from Sweep 5. There appears to have been a significant final explosion between Sweeps 5 and 6 because the main wreckage splits into two pieces and a great deal of debris are blown downwind.


quote:
Evidence of a Missile

A Sweep by Sweep analysis of the radar data clearly depicts a plume of very high velocity metal exploding out of the aircraft's right side at approximately 20:31:13. The lead ejecta almost certainly has to be a missile body! With the aircraft on a heading of 071 degrees True, this radar contact separated laterally from the aircraft track on a ballistic trajectory of 190 degrees True, traveling about 3,200 feet in less than 7 seconds. This 119 degree change of direction and high velocity could not possibly have been the result of a Center Wing Tank explosion.

This is not theory or speculation, but hard physical evidence. It takes almost 2 seconds for a bullet fired from a military sniper rifle to travel that distance. Only a missile body, with it's hundreds of thousands of foot pounds (ft/lbs)* of kinetic energy would have the inertia to perform this way on radar. It only takes 6,000 ft/lbs of energy for a 50 caliber heavy machine gun bullet to punch through 3/8 inch thick steel plate. Boeing 747's are constructed of various aluminum alloys and rarely in thickness' exceeding 1/2 inch.

With this much energy, the missile body would slice through the aircraft "like a bullet through a tin can", just as I stated in my April 24, 1997 letter to the Wall Street Journal, in response to Chairman Hall's "It wasn't a missile" letter to the same paper. It is startling to note also that the trajectory of the ejecta (missile body & other parts) is on a direct line from an unidentified boat, 2.9 nautical miles to the Northeast of Flight 800 when it exploded.

* [ 15lb missile body @ 1500 ft/sec, apply 1/2 MV squared = 524,720 ft/lbs of energy ]


quote:
Eyewitness Accounts from USAir Flight 217

Navy Chief Petty Officer Dwight Brumley was on US Air Flight 217 from Charlotte, North Carolina to Providence, Rhode Island. Mr. Brumley was seated in seat 5F at the window on the right side of the aircraft. He saw a streak of light overtaking his aircraft from right to left. As he lost sight of the streak he saw a large fireball erupt going from his left to his right. He then lost sight of the fireball as it disappeared underneath the right wing

This witness disproves the CIA / NTSB theory that the streak seen by eyewitnesses was the aircraft climbing and burning after an initial explosion. He clearly saw a streak coming from his right to left and TWA Flight 800 was going from his left to his right.


Eyewitness Accounts from Boats in the Area

We have access to over 130 eyewitnesses who surrounded the crash. Most of these eyewitnesses saw a streak rising from at or near the surface and intersecting with Flight 800. The NTSB and FBI claim there were no witnesses closer than 8-10 miles from the explosion yet we have interviewed at least 8 eye witnesses who were within 8 miles of the crash. None of them support the CIA / NTSB version of events.

quote:
NTSB Eyewitness Group Factual Report - Exhibit 4A

Relevant data from the Eyewitness Group Factual Report:

Based on the data, 183 witnesses said they saw a streak of light, 201 said they saw one or more explosions, 100 said they heard one or more explosions, and 339 said they saw a fireball.
Of the 183 who observed a streak of light, 102 gave information about the origin of the streak. Six said the streak originated from the air, and 96 said that it originated from the surface. Of the 96 who said it originated from the surface, 40 said it originated from the sea and 10 said it originated from land.
One hundred and twenty-eight witnesses reported an immediate end to the streak, 85 described it ending in an explosion, 32 said it ended in a fireball, and 11 said it ended in a flash.

http://twa800.com/pages/radaranalysis.htm






[Edited 1 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 06-01-2002]
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostThu Jun 13, 2002 9:17 am  Reply with quote  

Rense.com just picked up on the shrapnel that was found in 89 of the victim of Flight 800.

Revealed--SHRAPNEL Was Found In 89 TWA 800 http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000701.html

More information can be found in my 06-01-2002 12:56 AM post on this page.

 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostFri Jul 12, 2002 7:53 pm  Reply with quote  

Seeking New Light On TWA Flight 800
Posted July 8, 2002
By Kelly Patricia O'Meara

The deadliest U.S. airline disaster prior to the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon was the July 17, 1996, midair explosion that destroyed TWA Flight 800 off the coast of Long Island, N.Y. Six years later, while the official investigation has been closed (or forever forgotten in "inactive pending" status), the nature of the explosion that killed the 230 passengers of the Paris-bound jumbo jet is very much on the radar of independent investigators. Indeed, investigators now have used the government's own regulations to petition the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for a reconsideration and modification of official findings.

Having spent more than two years and $40 million, federal authorities had concluded that the probable cause for the crash of Flight 800 was an explosion within the aircraft's center-wing fuel tank. The investigators admitted that neither the ignition source nor its location within the tank "could be determined from the available evidence."

On the sixth anniversary of the downing of the jumbo jet, the Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO), a nonprofit international group made up of professionals, engineers, scientists, former crash investigators and survivors of those killed in the explosion, believe the evidence of what happened now is clear. Based on physical evidence and eyewitness accounts, both those considered during the investigation and many that were not considered, FIRO is convinced it can prove the official determination was wrong.

Tom Stalcup, a physicist who is chairman of FIRO, tells Insight that it was "during a meeting with former NTSB chairman Jim Hall that we became aware of the federal regulation that allows us to file the petition [for reconsideration]. Hall met with us and said if we had more questions we should send them to him. We did have more questions, but our letters went unanswered. Then Hall left the NTSB and Chairwoman Carol Carmody responded to our letters, basically saying that we weren't going to get answers to the questions ó that it wasn't in anyone's interest even to correspond with us."

Having established that the NTSB was unwilling to cooperate with FIRO, Stalcup challenged the ruling under NTSB Regulation 845.41(a)) and put together a 20-page petition, plus 70 pages of attachments. "The criteria for the petition," explains Stalcup, "is that you have to show that, based on the evidence, their findings were erroneous and that there was evidence that wasn't considered ó that there is new evidence. We met each of these criteria and made at least 100 other points."

The petition, which can be found at www.flight800.org, touches on nearly every aspect of the official investigation, including eyewitness statements, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR), radar analysis and recently declassified FBI reports about the wreckage. One of the major points of the petition cites "the Brookhaven [National Laboratory] report [that] was classified by the FBI as 'secret'" and never was made part of the NTSB public docket. It contains the laboratory results of wreckage items of "unknown origin" that were sent to an external laboratory for examination. The secrecy undermined the NTSB's ability to conduct a thorough analysis of the physical evidence. According to senior NTSB investigator Hank Hughes, group chairman of the Airplane Interior Documentation Group, "there are still unanswered questions concerning evidence sent for examination."

Stalcup says, "One of the interesting points in the 'secret' report is that there were investigators complaining that they hadn't been given enough information about the wreckage," saying there was "little forensic documentation or guidance on large-body-aircraft missile engagements."

According to Stalcup, "More than that, we have information that shows that 20 unusual .2-inch-diameter round pellets that were found in bodies were withheld from the NTSB but analyzed by the FBI and found to have been made of aluminum titanium matrix and other elements like zirconium, barium and cerium. These are pyrotechnics or incendiary devices, and the matrix structure of these objects is consistent with pellets used in antiaircraft missiles."

The FIRO chairman continues: "In fact, I found a quote in National Defense magazine that was referring to warheads that said 'pellets imbedded in titanium matrix' are used in antiaircraft warheads. The 'secret' [Brookhaven] report analysis concluded that the origin of the pellets is 'unknown' and that one of the pellets was submitted for identification because of its dissimilarity in appearance with TWA 800 debris. ...'"

While the petition winds its way through the bureaucratic maze at the NTSB, a lawsuit also has been brought by FIRO against the FBI for failure to release information duly requested under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Graeme Sephton, a member of FIRO, brought the action in the U.S. District Court of Massachusetts because of the FBI's refusal to produce information. "The essence of the problem," explains Sephton, "is that Dr. Wetli [the Suffolk County Medical Examiner] will confirm that the FBI never shared with him any of the forensic information even though it was taken from him during autopsy, and it is he who must have all the available information to make the determination of the cause of death."

Sephton continues: "One of the reasons for a safety investigation is to find out what is flying around inside the plane so they can eliminate those things in another crash that maybe people will survive. What we're looking for is the list of shrapnel that shouldn't have been in the aircraft, and the hope is that the FBI will explain these unknown foreign bodies and ultimately bring us closer to finding out what caused the explosion."

Apparently the FBI didn't feel compelled to share this information with the NTSB investigators and, short of a court order, it is unlikely to be provided to FIRO. Stalcup says, "I'm not convinced that the petition will go anywhere. Not because it doesn't have merit, but because the NTSB doesn't have the guts to honestly search for and report the truth."

Kelly Patricia O'Meara is an investigative reporter for Insight magazine.


http://www.insightmag.com/news/257507.html
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostSun Jul 14, 2002 11:34 pm  Reply with quote  

Today: July 14, 2002 at 15:05:21 PDT

TWA Flight 800 Memorial Unveiled

ASSOCIATED PRESS

SHIRLEY, N.Y.- Relatives and friends of the 230 people killed in the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800 met on a wind-whipped bluff Sunday to dedicate a permanent memorial to the victims.

"I hope this special day finds you a little stronger, a little happier, a little more secure in the faith that those who live on in our hearts are never truly gone," Gov. George Pataki told the hundreds gathered at Smith Point Park on Long Island's south shore.

The bluff is the nearest point of land to where the plane went down July 17, 1996, and overlooks a beach where debris washed ashore. The black granite memorial, designed by architect David Busch, has a gray wave and 230 gray doves on one side and the names of the victims inscribed on the other.

"It brings back some memories - not easy ones, but the ones I don't want to forget," said Burt James, 45, whose niece, Rebecca Olsen, 20, of Macon, Ga., died in the crash.

The Paris-bound Boeing 747 exploded in a fireball at 13,700 feet, minutes after leaving John F. Kennedy International Airport. The National Transportation Safety Board ruled two years ago that an explosion in the center fuel tank caused the aircraft to disintegrate in flight.

It said vapors in the nearly-empty tank probably were ignited by a spark in wiring. The FBI concluded in a separate criminal investigation that there was no evidence a bomb or missile destroyed the plane.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jul/14/071403108.html
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostWed Jul 17, 2002 6:09 am  Reply with quote  



Clinton's remarks about the tragedy

Remarks made by President Clinton about last night's jetliner crash.

President Clinton: I'd like to say a few words about the crash last night. First, on behalf of the American people I want to say to the families of the passengers of Flight 100 we are well aware that only the passage of time, the love of your family, and faith in God can ease your pain. But America stands with you. Our thoughts, our prayers have been with you through the night, and they will be with you in the days to come.

Our government is doing everything we can to continue the search for survivors and to find out the causes of this accident. Chief of Staff Leon Panetta has just met in the White House situation room with all the agencies involved and has finished briefing me on our response. I have asked him to ensure that our response will continue to be prompt, effective, and comprehensive.

Right now, the Coast Guard, the National Transportation Safety Board, the FAA, and the FBI are on the scene of the crash. As of now, no survivors have been found. Hundreds of rescue personnel rushed to help in pitch dark, lit only by the flames of burning wreckage. And I want to thank them for their brave work in these treacherous waters on behalf of the people who were on that flight.

We do not know what caused this tragedy. I want to say that again: we do not know as of this moment what caused this tragedy. We are beginning the painstaking process of piecing together what happened. Additional briefings to provide the latest details of what is being done will be coordinated by the Department of Transportation and will be given to you on a regular basis. We will determine what happened. But for now I want to caution again the American people against jumping to any conclusions and ask that today overwhelmingly our people remember the families of the people who were on that flight in their prayers. Thank you very much.


Q: Are you worried...any terrorism?

Q: Are you doing anything further - are you doing anything further on airlines - on the issue of airline safety? Are you ordering any steps today, any action that you think might be warranted?

A: I want to wait, first of all, until we at least get further along in this investigation. I think we need to focus on this investigation now.

Q: Are you worried, sir, that there is some kind of increase in terrorism in this country now? And what are you doing to try to get at least in a position to combat that, if it is the reason for this crash?

A: Well, we are doing a number of things continuously to try to continue to upgrade the safety of our infrastructure and the - the ability of the United States to protect itself from terrorism. That's one of the reasons I pushed so hard for the anti-terrorism legislation. But I want to caution the American people, we have no evidence - we have no evidence - on this flight yet that would indicate the cause of the accident. And I want to remind you that when we had the terrible tragedy in Oklahoma City, a lot of people immediately concluded that this must have been done by some force outside our country, and it appears that that was not the case now. So let's wait until we see the evidence. We are working hard on this. I just spoke with Mayor Giuliani and Governor Pataki, who are most concerned right now with the victims and seeing that the families get notified quickly, and we're working on that with them. But they said that they were quite confident that the - the federal people who were on the ground were doing everything they could. They are very, very good at piecing these things together, and we need to let them do their work, and not jump to any conclusions.

Q: Mayor Giuliani was quite critical of the management of TWA, Mr. President...

Q: Mr. President, how would characterize -

A: One at a time.

Q: How would you characterize the various phone calls of individuals claiming so-called responsibility that have come into various news organizations and authority - law enforcement authorities?

A: Well, I wouldn't characterize them yet. Again, it's hard to know. You know, sometimes such calls are accurate; sometimes such calls are attempting to ride along on a tragedy. And therefore, I believe we should wait for the evidence. We will find out what happened. Let's wait for the evidence.

Q: Mr. President, Mayor Giuliani was quite critical of the senior management of TWA, which he said was inadequately staffing the situation there last night. He praised the federal effort. Have you guys had indication that the airline is not doing all it could, or have you spoken with the airline...have the federal authorities spoken with the airline about...

A: Well, let me say, last night - I stayed up till a little past midnight last night, but I was depending more on you-all than anything else once I got my preliminary reports.

And then this morning I've been more concerned with making sure that we were doing our job. So, this issue with TWA and the notification of families has just been presented to me. We will do what we can. I can't believe the airline doesn't want to do the right thing. They may be - you know, everybody when something like this happens may be a little bit in shock in the moment. We'll look into that and see whether there's anything we can do. But I have no - again, the main thing I want to say to the American people today is we are working overtime on this. Do not jump to conclusions. Let's wait till we get the facts. And let's remember the families.

Thank you.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/crash/ncrash19.htm

___________________________________________________________________

July 20, 1996

President's address on the Flight 800 disaster

The text of President Clinton's radio address to the nation, recorded in Atlanta, Ga.:

This week the tragedy involving TWA Flight 800 took the lives of 230 people. Hillary and I join all our nation in sending their families and friends our deepest condolences and prayers. We are doing all we can to find the cause of this disaster, and we will find what caused it.

Sixteen of the victims were young high school students from a small town in Pennsylvania, flying to Paris to see some of the world and work on their French. By setting off to expand their horizons and seeking newer knowledge, these students were trying to live up to their God-given potential. Now, that's all we can ask of any of our children.

So let us remember the dream these children shared - the dream of making the most of their own lives. As a nation, we should dedicate ourselves to encouraging all our young people to think that way, and to making sure that they all have the opportunity to live up to their dreams. Our children have many different strengths and talents and abilities, but every child can achieve something, and together, in so doing, they can all secure a brighter future for America.

That's the lesson we saw come to life so vividly yesterday in Atlanta at the opening of the Centennial Olympic Games. In the next two weeks we'll see and celebrate the heroic efforts and achievements of young Americans who have worked a lifetime to reach their highest potential and make their dreams come true. Our athletes will push the limits of the human body and the human spirit. In doing that, they will inspire people of all ages, but I hope young people especially will learn from their example.

For whether in sports or in everyday life, there's a lesson in what our Olympians have accomplished and in how they've done it. For these are people who were given an opportunity to succeed, but they also made the most of it. They took personal responsibility and did the hard work. For some, it's meant waking up before dawn to run or swim laps, or to practice routines on the balance beam. For others, the going was even tougher.

I'll never forget the day that Carla McGhee came to the White House to carry away the Olympic torch to continue its path to Atlanta. Carla was terribly injured in a car accident. It seemed to end her brilliant basketball career. But she came back against all the odds. And now she's playing for our Olympic women's basketball team. She did something no one else could do for her; she didn't give up.

But we also know that every one of our Olympians, in addition to their personal achievements, are a part of a larger community. They are of many different races and creeds and cultures, but they're bound together in mutual respect and shared values. For even in individual sports, no one wins alone. Back there somewhere there's always a lifetime of support from family and friends, from coaches and fans, from teachers and role models. So whenever the Star-Spangled Banner is played and a Gold Medal is being hung around an athlete's neck, you can be sure that the triumph is shared by a larger community.

We're all better off when we work together to help each other realize our dreams, to meet our challenges and to protect our values. These games really remind us that for all our differences and all of our American rugged individualism, we are still one American community. We cheer our athletes not because they're men or women, not because of the color of their skins, sometimes not even because we particularly understand every last aspect of the sport they're involved in. We keep cheering them because they're Americans.

These Olympics are about what's right with America. And Atlanta's magnificent effort at hosting the Olympics is about what's right with America. There are some other things that I believe reflect what's right with America at the Olympics. For example, this year 197 nations have teams, and these teams include places that the United States has helped to move toward peace and freedom. And even in places where the work of peace and freedom is not yet finished, at least there's been enough progress for an Olympic team to emerge.

Yesterday I met a young man from Croatia who thanked me for the work that we were doing to try to rebuild that war-torn region. And I couldn't help thinking about Secretary Ron Brown and the business leaders who literally gave their lives as Americans to bring peace to the Croatians. Bosnia now has a team coming back here, something that was unthinkable four years ago. Haiti has a team here. South Africa. I met one of the Irish athletes who thanked me for America's efforts on behalf of peace and asked me to do everything I could to bring the peace back. And I met a Palestinian who said to me, "Mr. President, Palestinians are a very old people, but we never had an Olympic team before. Thank you and the United States for helping to bring peace in our area, and please keep working on it."

All these people in their own way reflect something that's good about America. In many other countries there are athletes who studied and competed and got a good education in the United States. We gave them an opportunity to make the most of their own lives, and now they're giving something back to their native lands. They, too, reflect what's right with America.

And most important of all, there are the members of our Olympic team. We will cheer for them when they win, and we'll cry with them when they don't. But we'll always be proud of them. For they are living examples of what dreamers can do with peace and freedom, with opportunity and responsibility, with a commitment to a community coming together, not drifting apart.

They will show America at its best on the world stage. And we are very, very proud of them. We wish them all the best. Thanks for listening.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/radio/nrad015.htm

__________________________________________________________________


Passengers may have prepared for crash, boaters say

EAST MORICHES, N.Y. - First came the smell of smoke. Then flames from the wreckage were visible miles away as boaters responded to the Coast Guard's call for help in searching for possible survivors from TWA Flight 800.

Racing over the glassy black water on a calm, dark night, Brian Kelly's boat was one of the first on the scene after the Boeing 747 bound for Paris exploded and plunged into the ocean off the Long Island coast.

Minutes later, more than 100 boats formed a circle around the flames, which burned over a large area and jumped 15 feet into the air.

"It became very real when we saw the boat right next to us pull out that first body. It was a lady with a white skirt," said Kelly, 34, of Sayville. "She had no shoes on."

All 228 on board were presumed killed.

Nauseated from the fumes, Kelly, his brother Leo and friend Jimmy Vaccaro peered over the oily water with a hand-held flashlight, watching suitcases, papers, tray tables and other debris float by.

Then, a moment of hope: a yellow TWA life jacket bobbed nearby with its emergency beacon flashing. "We really thought someone was in it, " said Vaccaro, who hooked it into the boat. The jacket was empty. But it was inflated and buckled, suggesting the passengers had time to prepare for a crash.

"These things don't light and inflate by themselves - you have to pull on it or blow through the tube," said Vaccaro.

But the Coast Guard said none of the bodies recovered wore life preservers, suggesting that the explosion did come without warning.

The trio in the Kelly boat stayed on the scene until their fuel ran low, giving water and other supplies to authorities. "The police out there were welcoming anybody and everybody," Kelly said.

Gary and Rick Hinrichs wanted to help, to offset the nightmare somehow. So they, too, boarded their tiny fishing boat, tossed in 10 extra life vests and set off into the darkness.

"We thought maybe, just maybe, we could pull somebody aboard," said Rick Hinrichs, an elementary school physical education teacher from nearby Manorville. "We found out pretty quickly that we couldn't," he said. After five hours of feeling the water slap his face, "all we could do was watch."

Hours later, police reversed themselves and asked private boaters to leave the crash site and stop touching potential evidence.

One large piece of the jet, a section of a wing that floated and burned for hours, was visible, said Ralph Lettieri, a firefighter who raced out in his own boat with two other firefighters. "You couldn't tell it's a plane," Lettieri said. "You got fishing boats with outriggers out there, and they've got their nets out, trying to pick up body parts." Vaccaro said: "You just can't comprehend it.

All these people just two hours before were sitting back on the plane, reading, getting into their trip, and all of a sudden it's over. "The emotional part hits me now," he said.

"Out there it was denial. But now, Oh, God..."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/crash/ncrash11.htm

_________________________________________________________________

Positive identifications of Flight 800 victims

The Suffolk County medical examiner has released the following names of 207 victims positively identified from TWA Flight 800. The medical examiner's office is withholding one name at the family's request.

Aikens-Bellamy, Sandra, New York
Aikey, Jessica, Montoursville, Pa.
Alex, Christian, France
Allen, Otis Lamar, Marietta, Ga.
Amlund, Svein, Norway
Anderson, Jule, Warson Woods, Mo.
Anderson, Patricia, St. Louis
Anderson, Seana Michele, no address given
Babb, David, Volant, Pa.
Baszczewski, Daniel, Montoursville, Pa.
Bellazoug, Myriam, Paris
Beatty, Charles, Spotsylvania, Va.
Becker, Michelle, Atlanta
Berthe, Line, Belleville, France
Berthe, Maurice, Belleville, France
Bluestone, Nicholas, Pound Ridge, N.Y.
Bohlin, Michelle, Montoursville, Pa.
Bossuyt, Luc, Trumbull, Conn.
Bouhs, Leonie, France
Bower, Jordan, Montoursville, Pa.
Braman, Rosemary, Hoboken, N.J.
Breistroff, Michel, France.
Brooks, Edwin, Edgartown, Mass.
Brooks, Ruth, Edgartown, Mass.
Buttaroni, Mirco, Italy
Caillaud, Anthony, Cerizay, France
Caillaud, Daniel, Deux Sevres, France
Callas, Daniel, Philadelphia
Campbell, Richard, Ridgefield, Conn.
Carven, Paula, BelAir, Md.
Cayrol, Jacques, Montpellier, France
Chaillou, Jenny, France
Chanson, Ludovic, France
Charbonnier, Jacques, Northport, N.Y.
Chemtob, Monique, Los Angeles
Christopher, Janet, Brodheadsville, Pa.
Coiner, Constance, Binghamton, N.Y.
Cox, Monica, Montoursville, Pa.
Crandell, Pamela, Tracy Landing, Md.
Cremades, Daniel, France.
Dadi, Marcel, France
D'Alessandro, Anna, Colle Bar, Italy
D'Humieres, Dominiques, LePlessis, France
Darley, Francois, Grenoble, France
DeBoisredon, Cybele, Bordeaux, France
DeLange, Sylvain, Paris
DeLouvriere, Judith, New York
Dickey, Deborah, Williamsport, Pa.
Dickey, Douglas, Williamsport, Pa.
Diiorio, Christine, Prato, Italy
Diiorio, Pietro, Prato, Italy
DiLuccio, Debra, Italy
Dodge, Warren, Ashland, Mass., and Brentwood, N.H.
Duarte-Coiner, Ana, Binghamton, N.Y.
Dupont, Guy, France
Dwyer, Larkyn, New River, Ariz.
Edwards, Daryl, Jersey City, N.J.
Ellison, Marie, Mount Vernon, N.Y.
Ersoz, Clara, Pittsburgh
Ersoz, Namik, Pittsburgh
Eshleman, Douglas, Aurora, Colo.
Estival, Alexandre, France
Feeney, Diedre, New Hyde Park, N.Y.
Feeney, Kathleen, New Hyde Park, N.Y.
Ferrat, Mohammad, Ivory Coast.
Foster, Rod (Charles), Sherman, Conn.
Foulon, Didier, France
Fry, Carol, Mountoursville, Pa.
Furlano, Rosaria Pares, France
Gabor, Daniel, Fayetteville, Ark.
Gaetke, Daniel, Kansas City, Mo.
Gaetke, Stephanie, Kansas City, Mo.
Gallagher, Claire, Montoursville, Pa.
Gasq, Francis, Palm Harbor, Fla.
Gasq, Clair, France
Gough, Analei-Raili, Finland.
Gough, Donald, Incline Village, Nev., and Mill Valley, Calif.
Graham, Steven, Napa, Calif.
Gray III, Charles, Little Rock, Ark.
Greene, Renee, North Woodmere, N.Y.
Griffith, Donna, Westhampton, N.Y.
Griffith, Joanne, New York
Grimm, Julia, Montoursville, Pa.
Grivet, Cyril, Menlo Park, Calif.
Gustin, Anne, Tampa, Fla.
Hammer, Beverly, Long Beach, N.Y.
Hammer, Traci, Long Beach, N.Y.
Hansen, Lars, Norway
Harris, Chelsea, New York
Harris, Lawrence, New York
Haurani, Ghassen, Grosse Pointe Shores, Mich.
Haurani, Nina, Grosse Pointe Shores, Mich.
Hazelton, Sandra, Beachwood, Ohio
Hettler, Rance, Montoursville, Pa.
Hill, Susan, Portland, Ore.
Hochard, Jean Pierre, France
Hogan, David, Lafayette, Calif.
Holst, Eric, Manorville, N.Y.
Holst, Virginia, Manorville, N.Y.
Hull, James, Hatboro, Pa.
Ingenhuett, Lonnie, Scottsdale, Ariz.
Jacquemot, Benoit, France
Jensen, Suzanne, Greenwich, Conn.
Johns, Courtney, Clarkston, Mich.
Johnsen, Arlene, Grand Junction, Colo.
Johnson, Eleanor, Springfield, Va.
Johnson, Jed, New York
Jones, Ramona, West Hartford, Conn.
Karschner, Amanda, Montoursville, Pa.
Kevorkian, Richard, Garden Grove, Calif.
Krick, Oliver, St. Louis
Krikhan, Margot, Brookfield, Conn.
Krukar, Andrew, Bridgewater, Conn.
Kwan, Barbara, Scotsdale, Ariz.
Kwiat, Kimberly, Briarcliff Manor, N.Y.
Kwiat, Patricia, Briarcliff Manor, N.Y.
Labys, Jane, Morgantown, W.Va.
Lacailledesse, Antoine, France
LaForge, Alain, Hermelinghen, France
Lamour, Yvon, France
Lang, Raymond, Tafton, Pa.
Lockhart, Maureen, Merriam, Kan.
Loffredo, Elaine, Glastonburg, Conn.
Lohan, Britta, Barcelona, Spain
Loo, Patricia, Springfield, N.J.
Loudenslager, Jody, Trout Run, Pa.
Lucien, Dalila, no address given
Luevano, Jr., Elias, Albuquerque, N.M.
Lychner, Katherine, Houston
Lychner, Pamela, Houston
Lychner, Shannon, Houston
Manchuelle, Francois, New York
Maresq, Etienne, Planquary, France
Maresq, Nicholas, France
Martin, Betty Ruth, Belleville, Ill.
Mazzola, Salvatore, Italy
McPherson, Pamela Cobb, New York
Meade, Sandra, Camano Island, Wash.
Melotin, Grace, Jupiter, Fla.
Merieux, Rudolphe, Lyon, France
Michel, Pascal, Montpellier, France
Miller, Amy, Andreas, Pa.
Miller, Elizabeth, Tenafly, N.J.
Miller, Gideon, Sarasota, Fla.
Miller, Joan, Fairfield, Conn.
Miller, Kyle, Andres, Pa.
Miller, Robert, Tenafly, N.J.
Nelson, Alecia, New York
Nelson, Twyla, New York
Nibert, Cheryl, Montoursville, Pa.
Notes, Gadi, New York
Olsen, Rebecca, Macon, Ga.
O'Hara, John, Irvington, N.Y.
Omiccioli, Monica, Italy
Orman, Alan, New Hyde Park, N.Y.
Ostachiewicz, Elsie, New York
Paquet, Hugette, France
Paquet, Ingrid, France
Pares, Serges, New Haven, Conn.
Penzer, Judy, Lawrence, N.Y.
Percy, Marion, Hastings-on-Hudson, N.Y.
Pohlman, Rico, New York
Price, Peggy, Englewood, Colo.
Privette, Brenda, Stevenson, Ala.
Puichard, Elizabeth, France
Remy, Jacqueline, France
Rhein, Kirk (Clyde), Darien, Conn.
Rhoads, Harry, Bellevue, Wash.
Rhoads, Marit, Bellevue, Wash.
Richter, Noemie, Brousse, France
Richter, Annelyse, France
Rio, Celine, France
Rogers, Kim, Montoursville, Pa.
Rojany, Yon, New York
Romagna, Barbara, Sun City, Fla.
Rupert, Judith, Montoursville, Pa.
Schuldt, Michael, Safety Harbor, Fla.
Scott, Barbara, Stevenson, Ala.
Scott, Joseph, Stevenson, Ala.
Scott, Michael, Stevenson, Ala.
Shorter, Ana Marie, Los Angeles
Siebert, Brenna, Holts Summit, Mo.
Siebert, Chrisha, Kansas City, Mo.
Silverman, Candice, Los Angeles
Silverman, Jaime, Los Angeles
Silverman, Marietta, Los Angeles
Simmons, Olivia, Orange, N.J.
Skojold, Kristina, Sweden
Snyder, Steven, Stratford, Conn.
Straus, Carin, Paris
Teang, Lydie, France
Teang, Rachama-Chan, France
Thiery, Josette, France
Tofani, Mauro, Prato, Italy
Torche, Melinda, Mission Viejo, Calif.
Uzupis, Larissa, Montoursville, Pa.
Van Epps, Lois, New York
Verhaeghe, Rick, Goldsboro, N.C.
Von Hedrich, Joseph, Bel Air, Md.
Warren, Lani, San Diego
Watson, Jacqueline, Montoursville, Pa.
Watson, Jill, Pittsburgh
Weatherby, Thomas, Stevenson, Ala.
Weaver, Monica, Montoursville, Pa.
Windmiller, Ruben, New Rochelle, N.Y.
Wolfson, Eleanor, Williamsport, Pa.
Wolfson, Wendy, Williamsport, Pa.
Wolters, Bonnie, New York
Ziemkiewicz, Jill, Rutherford, N.J.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/crash/ncrash08.htm



[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 07-17-2002]
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Dan Rockwell





Joined: 10 Dec 2001
Posts: 1988
Location: Stamford, CT, USA
PostWed Jul 17, 2002 6:58 am  Reply with quote  

ATC transcript TWA Flight 800 - 17 JUL 1996

Air Traffic Control transcript of the July 17, 1996 accident of TWA Flight 800, a Boeing 747 off New York.

Source: Air Safety Week January 19, 1998 (p.6) Legenda:

BOS = Boston Center
E507 = Eastwing Flight 507
AZA609 = Alitalia Flight 609
VIR009 = Virgin Atlantic Flight 009
UAL002 = United Air Lines Flight 2

8:31:50 E507 We just saw an explosion out here; stinger bee five oh seven.

8:31:57 BOS Stinger bee five oh seven, I'm sorry I missed it, ah, you're out fo eighteen did you say something else?

8:32:01 E507 Ah, we just saw an explosion up ahead of us here, about sixteen thousand feet or something like that; it just went down -- in the water.

8:32:10 AZA609 Alitalia six oh nine confirms just ahead of us.

8:32:25 VIR009 Boston, Virgin zero zero nine, I can confirm that out of my nine o'clock position, we just had an ... it looked like an explosion out there about five miles away, six miles away.

8:32:49 BOS An explosion six miles out at your nine o'clock position. Thank you very much sir. Contact New York approach one two five point seven.

8:32:56 BOS TWA eight hundred center

8:33:01 ? Investigate that explosion if you get a lat/long

8:33:04 BOS TWA eight hundred center

8:33:09 BOS TWA eight hundred, if you hear center, ident.

8:33:17 BOS Stinger bee five oh seven, you reported an explosion is that correct sir?

8:33:21 E507 Yes sir, about five miles at my eleven o'clock here.

8:33:31 BOS Alitalia six oh nine, contact Boston now on one two four point five two.

8:33:36 AZA609 One two four point five two and just for your information sir, we are just overhead the explosion; right overhead at this time, now a hundred and three miles from JFK.

8:33:48 E507 We are directly over the site woth that airplane or whatever it was just exploded and went down into the water.

8:34:01 BOS Roger that, thank you very much sir. We're investigating that right now. TWA eight zero zero if you hear center, ident.

8:35:43 ? I think that was him.

8:35:45 BOS I think so.

8:35:48 ? God bless him.

8:37:05 E507 Thirty three oh five, so long, stinger five oh seven. Anything we can do for ya before we go?

8:37:11 BOS Well, I just wanna confirm that you saw the splash in the water approximately twenty southwest of Hampton, is that right?

8:37:20 E507 Ah, yes sir. it just blew up in the air and then we saw two fireballs go down into the water and there was a big small, ah, smoke, ah, coming up from that also, ah, there seemed to be a light. I thought it was a landing light and it was coming right at us at about, I don't know, about fifteen thousand feet or something like that and I pushed on my landing lights, ah, you know, so I saw him and then it blew.

8:37:40 BOS Roger that sir, that was a seven forty seven out there; you had a visual on that; anything else in the area when it happened?

8:37:47 E507 I didn't see anything. he seemed to be alone. I thought it had a landing light on, maybe it was a fire, i don't know.

8:37:51 BOS Stinger bee five oh seven, roger that and anything else comes to your mind, you can use your other radio; come back to this frequency and tell me about it.

8:37:58 E507 That's all I can think of at this time.

8:38:06 BOS United two, Boston on one two four point five two.

8:38:08 UAL002 One tow four five two, and is that airplane right in front of us now?

8:38:12 BOS He should be right underneath you, they reported the splashdown right underneath you about, ah, twelve and four miles.

8:38:18 UAL002 It's still burning down there.

8:38:20 BOS In the water?

8:38:21 UAL002 Well there's bright red and there's smoke coming up ... there's fire with smoke.

8:38:30 BOS Fire with smoke coming out of the water?

8:38:32 UAL002 Right at our position right now; I can give you a lat/long if you want.

8:38:35 BOS Absolutely, thank you.

8:38:44 UAL002 It's ah, forty thirty nine point one west zero seven two three eight point zero.

8:38:51 BOS Allright, we got forty thirty nine point one west zero seven two three eight point zero.


http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/atc_tw800.htm


[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 07-17-2002]
 View user's profile Visit poster's website Send private message Yahoo Messenger
KrissaTMC2





Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 472
Location: Greenwich, CT, USA
PostFri Jul 19, 2002 12:10 am  Reply with quote  



A GENTLE RAIN OF FLOWERS

Where are you now my little one?
My darling little one
I've looked high and low and all around
But not a glimpse and not a sound
I'll grant you just cannot be found
My darling little one

But now it's time for games to end
This hide-and-seek is done
Did you not hear me say you've won?
Didn't I?

There'll be lots more times when we'll have fun
When you can play and you can run
With Dad and Mom and your friends, Hon'
Won't there be?

Where are you now my little one?
My darling little one
Daddy's getting worried now
Up in your bedroom waiting
Bed's all fresh and made up nice
Stuffed animals wait expectantly
And by the light on your nightstand
Your picture --- smiling up at me

Where are you now my little one?
My darling little one
For bedtime now we'll have to rush
--But not a sound
Just gentle hush Of night.
It seems always now to be night
For night is when you left me
And I am stuck in nighttime

But wait now! Someone's called.
They said that you've gone off to Paradise
With lots of friends. With other boys and girls.

With Mommy's and Daddy's. With sisters and brothers.

And aunts and uncles and grandparents, too.
With doctors and lawyers and engineers and captains.

With many, many good and nice folk. Good people like you.

None can hurt you now
(Nor others while we watch)
You are forever blessed
But those who struck, cruel evil hand
Will never find their rest.

Now I understand where you went
But why? I cannot yet
I still must wait for you here
Daddy misses you soooo much
But Daddy has work he still needs to do
He's trying to finish it just as fast as he can

Then my darling
Daddy's coming there to be with you again
To be with you for all of time
Goodnight...

(For the Children Aboard TWA Flight 800 - July 17, 1996) R.G. Nelson
http://members.aol.com/hseaman275/newsltt2.html


[Edited 4 times, lastly by KrissaTMC2 on 07-18-2002]
 View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Post new topic Reply to topic
Forum Jump:
Jump to:  
Goto page Previous  
1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are GMT.
The time now is Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:32 pm


  Display posts from previous:      




© 21st Century Thermonuclear Productions
All Rights Reserved, All Wrongs Revenged, Novus Ordo Seclorum, All Your Base