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elvis lives
Joined: 30 Sep 2000
Posts: 143
Location: Pismo Beach, California |
 Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:05 am
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Duncan...you said
"I think that most people involved in the c-trail controversy fall into four groups:"
This poll, taken from the Chemtrails and Company web site, may require you to add a fifth group.
How can you have a normal discussion on this subject when 27.5% of the people polled are chanting genocide?
Poll Question: Do you feel Chemtrails are INTENTED to effect our health
One of the big issues pertaining to Chemtrails is, are they intentional to effect our health. Are they trying to kill us, make us sick, or are we just feeling the side effects of chemspraying? What do you think?
Votes: 40
Genocide Program (11) 27.5%
High Possibility (6) 15.0%
To make us sick, Not kill (4) 10.0%
Side-Effects of, not Inten (11) 27.5%
Seems Intentional,unclear (7) 17.5%
Not Likely (1) 2.5%
[Edited 1 times, lastly by elvis lives on 10-24-2000] |
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elvis lives
Joined: 30 Sep 2000
Posts: 143
Location: Pismo Beach, California |
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Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:28 am
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Thermit...you are tooo funny, but I like your style.
"Just think of all the other things you could be doing besides living in the chemtrail forums."
Outside of playing golf 5 days a week, I have a lot of free time on my hands to surf the web and keep up with current affairs. I am online in conjunction with watching sports and current events on the dish, so I really don't have to allocate any extra time to these forums.
My concern is for those who are unemployed, on welfare, etc....To see them in here all day is scary. Just as scary, are those who work yet spend every waking hour that they are not on the job....chasing chemtrailers.
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
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Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:01 am
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Good points, Elvis.
How can you have a normal discussing on this subject when 27.5% of the people polled are chanting genocide?
Hey they weren't chanting, they just pressed a button...  but, seriously, even if something clandestine was going on, it seems highly unlikely that the powers that be would want to whack the taxpayers. My motto: No Fear.
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elvis lives
Joined: 30 Sep 2000
Posts: 143
Location: Pismo Beach, California |
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Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:11 am
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Jay...Duncan...Thermit...anyone!!
There is only one thing about this whole contrail/chemtrail scenario that I am still confused about. I am sure it has been discussed but I am still drawing a blank.
Here goes....Today I was on the golf course, hitting the ball and watching the sky. We had a clear blue sky day, mid 70's..the north south corridor of commercial flights from LAX, SFO, had normal layers of traffic. Everything I saw today was at 30,000 plus. There were some east/west jets, I assume military, at approximately the same height.
Many of the jets were leaving contrails, but these were dissipating quickly (within minutes)unlike the lingering contrails I witnessed last week that turned into bands of cirrus clouds.
Today was the first time I noticed that a few of the jets were not leaving any contrails, although they seemed to be at the same height as the others.
I have seen many of the carnicom group use this as theory that the planes leaving contrails are actually spraying. This would be a good time to refute that with some facts.
I have one guess....The air traffic actually looks to be flying between 30,000 and 35,000 feet...but the planes leaving the contrails are a bit higher and have reached the elevation where the temperature drops enough to form contrails.
Any input is appreciated.
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Swedishoo
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
Posts: 429
Location: NC |
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 3:19 am
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Duncan, Excellent post.
Elvis, What you saw on the course sounds normal to me, a dissipating contrail at approx 35,000 feet and no jet trail from the lower jet of approx. 30,000 feet. Here's the problem. What would you think if you saw jets approx. 30,000 feet leaving no contrail, yet far below it, say, 15,000 feet you see jets leaving non-dissipating trails? Also, lets add, that it's a hot summer day with low humidity and numerous Fair-Weather clouds about...Now, what would you think if you saw this??
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goldrush
Joined: 04 Sep 2000
Posts: 109
Location: No, Calif. USA |
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Thu Oct 26, 2000 4:36 am
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From the experience of P-51 Mustang flight, the incidence of contrail formation at different Flight Levels can by as narrow as 100 feet in altitude. This is to Elvislives. The fact that you are experienced in atmospheric chemistry, or so you say, makes me believe your views are based upon "projection models" that do not account for multitudes of variation that do occur over various terrain and urban heat islands. I am not an expert either, but 20plus years of aviating, and actually being there, as cy says, does leave lots of lee-way for speculation. Atmospheric observations are pretty subjective without some back-up knowledge. I do not think mankind is the source of the similar oddities that we all have seen. Solar cycles described by NASA in recent weeks do conflict with "human pollution idea" forced upon us in recent years. Solar winds, and their effect upon cloud formations are causing those studying clouds and contrails to investigate their influence, as well. As a person, myself, long involved in the aviation industry through the recreational and airshow aspect, I do defend myself from governmental intrusion, acting under the veil of "protecting the world". My continued interest in the chemtrail belief stems from sorting out what is verifiable vs. what is not. If my views are common with others, by association, then it is so, because separate avenues of thought intersect that way. If, in your travels, you happen into the Gold Country, do contact me. I would be interested in exchanging ideas with you, and as well, with Cy. I am not interested in arguing, just pooling ideas into some endeavor that provides further explanation for questions not yet answered. |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Fri Oct 27, 2000 4:44 am
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by cydoniaquest on 01-13-2001] |
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