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Swamp Gas
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 Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:15 am
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Our tax dollars at work
Very Graphic. Be warned!
http://www.thecia.net/users/stewarte/apachehit.mpg
[Edited 1 times, lastly by swamp gas on 01-17-2004] |
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shatoga
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Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:21 am
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I do not allow downloads like that from unknown sources.
Can you paraphrase?
Or provide an outline
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Mech
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Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:56 am
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It's a stationary AH-64 Apache attack helicopter using a FLIR (forward looking infra-red) and TADS (target aquiring data system).
What I got out of it was this. Judging by what those people on the ground were doing..it appeared they were setting up an anti-aircraft battery. Do I know this for sure? No...but it sure appeared that way.
I don't think this video alone will judge as
an admission of guilt or innocence. There's really no way to tell.
War is ugly...that's for sure.
Especially an uneccessary one.
You have to wonder with the PICKED BY US envoy "elections" (some of whom are loyal baathists)...there won't be another Saddam hussien type dictator to do the globalists dirtywork. |
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Swamp Gas
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:50 pm
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Quote from Mike Rivero of Whatreallyhappened:
"I agree with the readers who wrote in suggesting that the vehicle on the left is a tractor and that the Apache just blew away some farmers. I'm a farm kid myself, and there is no question that the men were involved in some kind of agricultural activity, most likely ploughing. This is cold blooded murder and this video records a war crime. Certainly the video makes it clear that the Apache was not engaged in evasive flight indicating that it was under any kind of a threat. Make local copies of this video. Put them on CD-ROMS. Hand them out. The US Government is desperate to explain this away. One individual wrote in to claim that since the video is dark, it must be night and since farmers don't plough their fields at night, they deserved to be killed. However, as the display in the video itself confirms, this is an infrared thermograph, which shows emitted heat (bodies, engines, shrapnel) as white over a dark background. One thing is clear from the body language of the people. They were clearly unconcerned about the helicopter until it opened fire, which means they did not think they were doing anything that the helicopter would see as a threat. I don't think there is anything that illustrates how low the US military has sunk than this video.
UPDATE: excuses continue to pour in from people I have never heard from before trying to explain away the video. The scene was at night (do the people in the video look like they are having trouble seeing as they move back and forth?), they didn't know the chopper was there therefore they would not act guilty after shooting at the helicopter (I'm not kidding, someone actually sent that in). One person suggested tha Iraqis would shoot at the helocopter then quickly try to hide among the crowd. The fact that these men are all in an open field with nowhere TO hide seems not to have registered with the apologists.
But I wish to add one final comment to this discussion (which will then move onto its own permanent dedicated page).
From The Geneva Convention 3-1: 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria
The very FIRST person gunned down was the person who had been driving the tractor. " |
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Mech
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:06 pm
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Hmmmm.....
Well...according to soldiers for truth.org http://www.sftt.org/ (David Hackworth's site),
They were intercepting Iraqi personnel who were ferrying arms (in trucks) on a very dark road at night. The conditions for this video were at night, no rain, using Infrared surveillance (FLIR) and tracking sensors (TADS).
If it WAS an illegal killing..there SHOULD be a courtmartial. |
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Swamp Gas
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:36 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3642801,00.html
Afghanis Say U.S. Copter Bombing Kills 11
Monday January 19, 2004 2:46 PM
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) - A U.S. helicopter attacked a house in a village in southern Afghanistan, killing 11 people, four of them children, Afghan officials said Monday.
There was no immediate comment from the U.S. military.
The attack occurred at around 4 a.m. Sunday, a day after U.S. forces hunting for Taliban insurgents had searched Saghatho village, where the home is located, said Abdul Rahman, chief of Char Chino district in Uruzgan province.
``They were simple villagers, they were not Taliban. I don't know why the U.S. bombed this home. We have informed our authorities,'' he told The Associated Press by telephone in the southern city of Kandahar.
Maj. Steven R. Moon, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Kabul, had no immediate comment.
The governor of Uruzgan, Jan Mohammed Khan, confirmed Rahman's account that four men, four children and three women were killed in a U.S. bombing.
He said U.S. authorities had told him they seen ammunition in their search of the village, which apparently raised suspicions. During the search, ``the people were afraid, they started running,'' Khan said.
``The Americans bombed this home,'' he said.
Rahman said the 11 victims were buried Sunday in the village, where residents were ``very afraid and very angry.''
About 100 Afghan forces and between 20 and 30 U.S. soldiers have arrested 10 suspects in an operation in the Mahmara and Saghatho areas of Char Chino district in the past two days, he said.
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Mech
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:48 pm
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Hmmm...
I don't know...I wasn't there so i don't know who to believe.
I won't jump to any conclusions.
The media loves to make soldiers the scapegoats instead of going after the REAL evil...the globalist controllers.
All part of the game. |
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Swamp Gas
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:15 pm
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Soldiers that blindly follow the New World Order/Global Elite, would have to be as guilty as the Masterminds pulling the strings. In my opinion, they are all war criminals. These soldiers are not protecting The Constitution, as the original Oath says.
As those deserters and AWOL's did, quit, lay down your gun, and take the consequences.
What is unfortunate is that many of the soldiers do not have a choice between taking bogus orders, no job opportunities in the USA, and the taking care of their families. They have put themselves into a zero choice situation.
If people were taught in school, and by their parents early on, that you always take the path that your Conscience says, then people everywhere wouldn't fight rich men's wars anymore. |
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Mech
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:44 pm
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I respectfully disagree.
I was once in their shoes. |
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Swamp Gas
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Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:16 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
I respectfully disagree.
Which part of the post?
As I said, not all soldiers, but the ones who follow the orders of the NWO. Some soldiers, ans you, Frank the Army Vet, and Shatoga all thought you were defending The Constitution, but later find out who you were actually fighting for. People like yourselves are the soldiers who have a conscience.
In my opinion, The Gestapo were as responsible as the Nazi Eleite for carrying out the vicious plans of Imperialism and Ethnic Cleansing.
But conversely, there were German soldiers who did not agree with what the Nazis were doing.
Please don't think feel that I believe ALL soldiers are like that. Only the ones who blindly follow with no conscience.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by swamp gas on 01-19-2004] |
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