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Thermit





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Why So Many Military and Government Visitors PostWed Nov 01, 2000 1:45 am  Reply with quote  

This is a question posed to skeptics of the Chemtrail phenomenon:

If Chemtrails are nothing but contrails and this whole thing is a hoax or something like an urban legend that has overlasted it's stay, then this whole thing should certainly be very banal to our friends in the military and the government. Given this, what is your opinion or rationalization for the diverse and interesting visitors that frequent Chemtrail websites?

Here is a partial list of visitors taken from the Carnicom site:

quote:

9. United States Defense Logistics Agency
17. HQ United States Air Force, The Pentagon
19. United States Department of Defense Educational Activity
21. United States Federal Aviation Administration
47. HQ United States Army, The Pentagon
54. United States Federal Emergency Management Agency
57. United States Senate
66. United States Defense Information Systems Agency
72. United States Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR)
104. United States Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
106. Office of the Secretary of Defense
114. United Stated Department of Defense Network Information Center
115. Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Army



Many of these were indicated as multiple repeat visitors.

I've chosen to not publish specific visitors of Chemtrail Central at this time, which is why the Carnicom visitors list is being used. While I, of course, cannot confirm Carnicom's list, I can affirm that this is consistent with the types of visitors that have come to this site.

Why would the bigwigs so interested in nothing?
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theseeker





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 2:10 am  Reply with quote  

The best explanation is that many of us out there have visited many military sites, have e-mailed people in the military, about differing subjects involved and those on the "chemmie" side of the fence have sent certified mail to government and military persons, and do plenty of surfing too....

I'm sure you as webmaster see who visit's here and how many times they visit, same with them I reckon...there just curious...as we all are

Ok,there's your question... now why can't I delete a post of my own making ?


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LTC8K6





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 2:17 pm  Reply with quote  

I often post from my office computer. You could then post that my company had visited your website, when in fact, my company has no interest whatsoever in your site. When I worked at Ft. Eustis, I visited chemtrail sites. Does that mean my unit and company commander were interested in chemtrails?

I might tell all of my co-workers to take a look and see what they think. My company still has no interest, even though you'd get multiple repeat hits from same.

Carnicom has a big fat AIR FORCE LIES headline for crying out loud! Of course military people are checking out the sites. I myself have e-mailed many people in the military to have them see what they are being accused of.

I think it's only a matter of time before they get tired of being accused of this. They have excellent lawyers in the military, too. I hope they take legal action.
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Duncan Kunz





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 2:46 pm  Reply with quote  

Dear Mr. Thermit:

I am posting from my ofice computer right now. As most of my colleagues are either current or retired Army aviators (I, at least, had the good fortune to spend my days in the Navy), I've talked up contrails a lot at lunch, and have given these people the URL of the more 'exotic' sites.

Many of these people have visited those sites, often several times; but it's for the entertainment value, not for any other purpose.

Mr. LTC8K6, I am not sure what a 35 Hotel is, but I have written both 10- and 20-level courseware for both 67 Romeo and 68 Xray (now 68 Yankee). At the training group I was in before moving to my new assignment, almost all our students (except for the foreign ones) were from either Eustis or Rucker. Did you, perchance, know a Patrick Taylor, a Boeing civilian instructor at Eustis several years ago? He was there for about eighteen months.

Regards,

Duncan Kunz / duncan.kunz@prodigy.net

Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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nodebbunker





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 4:29 pm  Reply with quote  

When articles such as this are published, I think it would be safe to assume that the agencies named are going to watch closely how far this accusation will go and who is perpetrating such. I know somebody who made some off the wall comments about the prez recently and has received a visit from the Sevret Service and a notice to come to their local Fed building to register, photoed and fringerprinted. If what he said was made in a conversation, you would have aughed and agreed. But he made the mistake of writing it on the Internet.
http://www.spotlight.org/01_07_00/Chemicals/chemicals.html

BTW, does anyone know the date this article first appearred?

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elvis lives





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 5:05 pm  Reply with quote  

nodebbunker....It looks to me like the date of publication is 01/07/00 as referenced in the URL.
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nodebbunker





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 5:47 pm  Reply with quote  

Duh, thanks Elvis, she's a blonde also. Just goes to show ya some things can be right in front of your face and we look past them, being distracted by another focus.
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LTC8K6





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PostWed Nov 01, 2000 5:59 pm  Reply with quote  

Duncan,

A 35Hotel is a Test, Measurement, & Diagnostic Equipment Maintenance Support Specialist. TMDE for short, A.K.A., a calibrator. I also have the Radiac certification to calibrate Geiger counters, dosimeters and such. This is equivalent to the Air Force PMEL folks. I am not familiar with a Patrick Taylor. I was there in 1993 & '94.
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defender





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PostSat Nov 25, 2000 3:05 am  Reply with quote  

Debunkers can really be annoying so I try to avoid contact with them. Some things can be explained, but I'm reminded of those cynics who still after all these years try to pretend that there are no conspiracies whatsoever! Who are they kidding? ... Themselves I guess. For the most part, they just are not worth responding to. So I guess I wouldn't have Thermits patience in running this website.

If this chemtrail phenomenon is a real conspiracy, (one of many that any intelligent person knows has real validity), then at least some of the debunkers (especially self-proclaimed expert types?), would be a part of the conspiracy. They would just be doing their duty(?) in carrying out their particular disinformation assignments that have been put out for as long as media/government manipulation has existed.

But to be fair, I used to believe that many of the conspiracies originated with US government entitites, (mainly in regards to political assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK). I wonder how many of the documentaries/books etc were financed by foreign entities or groups hostile to the USA? But the fact that American media and U.S. govt. acted in concert to cover-up facts in the assassinations has been established.

When most of the news about those really broke, (when the Wall came down?), the consensus seemed to be that it was largely an American conspiracy. But maybe the truth is that intelligence agencies (or rogue elements?)decided that it was time for at least some of the truth to leak out to the people? Maybe the same good guys who gave us the Internet...(American military intelligence(?)...NOT Al Gore!)

But I know that there are many players involved world-wide. And the "National Security" phrase that always pops up may really be "the truth" that is out there, or at least part of it.

What with the large numbers of plane crashes in the past few years that the media has downplayed or ignored (even though they did mention the tremendous number of US military aircraft that went down in the early '90's), the availability of weapons like Stinger missiles on the world market made me realize that there may be times when it's okay for the media/government to keep quiet. I really hope that is the case with chemtrails!

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Random





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PostTue Dec 12, 2000 12:18 am  Reply with quote  

Sorry to bring bad news guys, but the reason these people visit is to laugh at you.

The address here is posted on the Professional Pilots' Rumour Network, with some very amusing comments. The people in your security agencies like a laugh as much as the next man, and this site is funny if you know anything about flying.

I'm not saying there are no conspiracies in your government - it is set up so there are bound to be, but this ain't one of them!

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The truth is out there, but not in here
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Thermit





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PostTue Dec 12, 2000 12:39 am  Reply with quote  

quote:

but the reason these people visit is to laugh at you.



Random, I think you are probably right in many cases. Visitors don't provide an answer to the veracity of Chemtrails. But, I would really like our frequent visitors from senate.gov to get off the damn internet and start doing something useful.
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nodebbunker





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PostTue Dec 12, 2000 2:15 am  Reply with quote  

>" . . .frequent visitors from senate.gov"<

Now THAT pisses me off!

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BEE





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PostWed Dec 13, 2000 9:51 pm  Reply with quote  

There's no reason why senate.gov visitors to these sites should piss you off. The Senate staffers are the ones who have to respond to every letter from a constituent. And if the letter talks about chemtrails, the staffers have to figure out what chemtrails are and what the issue is. The same applies to military, EPA, and FAA visitors, who are probably the ones tasked to respond to the Congressman's letter when he/she forwards their constituent's letter to us for response.
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defender





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PostSat Dec 23, 2000 12:31 am  Reply with quote  

The U.S. government does not have a monopoly on conspiracies. But we still have the ability to talk about them, critics (foreign & domestic) notwithstanding. The U.S. is never short of critics, even from alleged allies.

At least we have a Constitution to look to for guidance and can still own firearms without fear of government confiscation as has happened in recent years to the citizens of the U.K. and Australia. The Klinton administration and British-owned Smith & Wesson failed again to disarm the free citizens of the U.S.A.

We could talk about conspiracies and scandals in the U.K. too, but that's up to you to ignore.

And, if I'm not mistaken, chemtrails are not just an American phenomenon, but are international in scope?

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