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seeingchemtrails
Joined: 13 Feb 2002
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Balloons For Chemtrail Sampling
 Sun May 04, 2003 1:11 am
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I have thought about trying to directly sample chemtrails by various means. Then I came across weather balloons. The can fly up to 80,000 feet in altitude. They are cheap to build (about $500) and not difficult to recover. Has anyone built an instrument package attached to a weather balloon to sample chemtrails in their most pristine state at the release altitude? It would probably be wise to recovery the instrument package in biohazard suits until it is decontamintated.
Check out this website for more info on balloons. http://www.hobbyspace.com/NearSpace/index.html
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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Sun May 04, 2003 3:20 am
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Just make sure you get the proper permission/documentation/whatever is required to operate weather baloons. Not sure some people would appreciate having one sucked into an engine.
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Sun May 04, 2003 5:00 am
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yeh there are sevral laws
you need permission to luanch balloons rockets etc that go above a a certain amount of feet around a 1000 i think.
just tell them you using it to test the weather or something
dont mention chemtrails or anything
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Sun May 04, 2003 7:56 am
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>>It would probably be wise to recovery the instrument package in biohazard suits until it is decontamintated.<<
Don't sweat it. The National Weather Service recovers about half of the over 200 instruments per day they launch. I've never heard of any health problems and I know lots of NWS folks.
What I am curious about is what/how you going to sample the air? You would need some kind of sniffer(to sample the air), pressure cell (to log height)and an data logger to store your data. I would invest in a small parachute so your decending instrument won't crash and be destroyed. I would put some kind of radio transmitter beacon on your instrument. Then get a dipole antenna so you can locate your instument after it lands as you may not be able to track it visually.
Getting permission from the FAA to launch a balloon is not too tuff but you have to fill out some forms. I remember having to do that in college when our research group wanted to operate a tether-sonde for a micro-climate study. Of course our instrument only went up about 600-700 meters becuase our reel only had about that much string. We also had to have a strobe beacon. I think the main thing you would have to show is that your equipment would not pose a hazard to aircraft, or to people on landing.
Good luck,
F.K.
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Jeanie
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Sun May 04, 2003 8:55 am
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Seeing CT'S''' Not a bad idea you've got there. If you have the fortitude to go ahead with it, you could set up a bank acct. for donations to pay for it. Do you have the scientific background, or would you have access to the know how to carry it out? If 500 people contributed $1.00 you would have the funds to pay for it. So what do you think?
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seeingchemtrails
Joined: 13 Feb 2002
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Sun May 04, 2003 7:04 pm
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To All:
I don't have all the technical skills necessary to put something like this together, but I have some websites that give me a lot of good info to start.
Right now I build small hotair balloons with 1/2 mil poly bags, balsa, CA glue, and scotch tape, and birthday candles. They fly for about 20 minutes and look at attain altitudes of 3000 feet or so. When you launch them in the dark they start to look like a UFO from distance.
I do have a couple of weather balloons sitting in my closet waiting for their missions.
The FAA regs state that you have to file a flight waiver if the weight exceeds 6 lbs. With the current state of technology today that should not be difficult to stay under. And I need to get my amateur radio license again to operate radio equipment that will transmit and receive data and tracking. A strobe and radar reflector will be standard issue.
As for sampling the air. That is a good question. I am going to have to do some research into that. The other aspects of the instrument package will be easy. My goal is to be able to control its altitude to maximize exposure to the chemtrail release altitude. But also there will need to be a way of ensuring the samples stay pure and uncontaminated. I think the guys at Carnicom will appreciate getting their hands on something like that. But from what I know it will be prudent to not touch the thing exposed without a biosuit until the whole thing can be decontaminated. I don't want to get sick. I hate being sick. You have to remember that the NWS meteoballoons probably do get some exposure but not for long since they burst at altitudes of up to 100,000 feet. If any biologicals attach they are quickly destroyed by the UV and cosmic rays, and the temperatures which reach down to -70 degrees Fahrenheit. And descent by parachute after the balloon bursts does not allow for much exposure since it is dropping at a very high rate of speed.
I don't need any donations. I make decent money to fund it myself. But thanks for the idea on funding!
I am putting this idea out to as many chemtrail websites as possible. I think I have hit most of them. If you know of one that does not have it, post it. The more exposure this idea gets the better. We do need to know what exactly it is they are spraying and the only way to do that is get up there and take a sample. And do it cheaply!
But there is nothing better to listen to than the deafening wall of silence of government when you present them the evidence of their wrongdoing.
Thanks for all of the encouragement.
best regards,
seeingcontrails
P.S. There are some great real estate deals for sale on the planet Mars. Check it out at www.marsshop. Buy it today and have your grandchildren colonize it tomorrow! |
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emfx13
Joined: 25 May 2002
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Mon May 05, 2003 5:49 am
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If anyone decides to try this make sure you have witness's and that you have a air tight container with a label on it,after you have attained the sample seal it in the container, have everyone sign it and do not tamper with it after it is sealed,Take it immediatly to a lab.Maybe have the lab technicians sign it aswell,to have a more controlled analysis.
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Mon May 05, 2003 7:44 am
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>>My goal is to be able to control its altitude to maximize exposure to the chemtrail release altitude.<<
This will be a major challenge if you plan on using a weather balloon as they are designed to expand and rise till they burst. You will have virtually no chance controling the altitude of one of those babies.
I don't know where you could attain a constant pressure balloon. There have been many studies done in the past, using them, in efforts to map upper level winds.
I think your best be would be to have a package rise, sample the air as it goes and logs the data on board. You can then retrieve the data after it lands.
Good Luck and let us know how it goes.
F.K.
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seeingchemtrails
Joined: 13 Feb 2002
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Mon May 05, 2003 8:15 am
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A servo attached to a gas release valve could probably accomplish the task of leveling out the altitude. It will also be necessary to report the altitude of the balloon in near real-time along with a video transmitter so you can see if your balloon is at the same level as the chemtrail mist. Shouldn't be that difficult.
S.C. |
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Mon May 05, 2003 11:54 am
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>>A servo attached to a gas release valve could probably accomplish the task of leveling out the altitude. It will also be necessary to report the altitude of the balloon in near real-time along with a video transmitter so you can see if your balloon is at the same level as the chemtrail mist. Shouldn't be that difficult.<<
Once you put enough gas into a weather balloon that begins to rise, it will continue to rise till it bursts and you can't stop it unless you can suck the gas back out. That would be quite a job.
How much is all that gear going to weigh?
F.K.
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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Tue May 06, 2003 1:03 am
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Wouldn't it be easier just to attach a sampling thing to an a/c and fly it up into a 'trail'? |
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Tue May 06, 2003 2:31 am
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quote:
Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
Wouldn't it be easier just to attach a sampling thing to an a/c and fly it up into a 'trail'?
Yep.
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seeingchemtrails
Joined: 13 Feb 2002
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Tue May 06, 2003 2:35 am
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If the guvment finds out that I am doing this, when the samples that are submitted to the lab, they could make them disappear.
Putting a release valve to vent the helium to slow and stop its rising won't be that difficult. And it can have a timer set aboard to release the payload with a nichrome wire to burn through the tether.
The weight of the whole thing can not exceed 6 pounds. Otherwise you have to get a FAA waiver.
I would love to take samples from an aircraft. But do you know how much money it costs to rent an aircraft that can attain those altitudes, much less hire a pilot to fly it? I smell my pockets smoking just thinking about it! If you have the money to blow, I'll go!
Flying balloons runs between $150 and $500 dollars depending on what you are doing. And it is recoverable (sans balloon) for more flights, so it isn't a waste of money. Take a look at what this guy did. http://shark.dls.net/~jmeehan/balloon/
S.C.
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Thu May 08, 2003 4:20 am
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just make shore you get 2 samples so you have a backup.
just say its for your scienists projoect at school,
or something esle,
should be easy ;0)
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