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Originally posted by halva:
No loss at all. Your knowledge, whose validity I cannot judge, is useless to me.
That is something I know.

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Originally posted by halva:
No loss at all. Your knowledge, whose validity I cannot judge, is useless to me.
That is something I know.

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The entire chemtrail theory has been debunked so many times I lost count before I even started counting. The only thing keeping it alive are people too stupid or too dug in to want anything else but for it to be true. The chemtrail theory was bred out of ignorance for people's surroundings, we don't understand, so it must be bad! One spark, one person making the suggestion.

Bred out of ignorance, continued on by arrogance!

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Blah, I'm tired. Can I go now?

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http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000023

Perhaps I can shed some light on this chem-trail/con-trail thing.
I've been in the Air Force for 26 years, and while my field is combat communications, I am familiar with a lot of the flying-type missions.

I'm not familiar with anything that might be considered weather modification.

On the OTHER hand. Two years ago, I had just bought my wife a hot tub for Mother's Day. We decided that it was nice to sit out in the evening and watch the skies. Something I do anyway, is watch the skies, always have, always will. I've very familiar with the air traffic control patterns in our area of the Front Range. I know where planes will be found, I know where they aren't supposed to be.

Late one evening about 5 or 6 weeks after we had the hot tub, and had been sitting out every evening, there was a clear sky, the sun was just going behind the mountains and I noticed several air craft flying in formation. I grabbed some binoculars that I keep sitting near the tub and noted they looked like tankers.

At about the same time I got a good bead on one, it started to show a trail, where it had not been showing one moments before.

When I took my eyes from the binoculars, I saw a string of about 8 or 9 planes. Eight trails for certain could be seen, evenly spaces several thousand feet apart, at around 40 or 50 thousand feet (that's an estimate only, based on the plane - they were KC-135s, I got a very good look at them through my spotter scope a few minutes later).

I watched the planes travel east to west, then the trails ceased.

The planes vanished behind Pikes Peak and the mountain range. About 20 minutes later, the reappeared to the south. By then I had my camera, and my spotter scope (where I confirmed I was seeing a KC-135 tanker). I took a couple of shots, because I'd never seen anything like it before. I figured it was some kind of practice for an air show.

They planes traveled from south to north (almost precisely on true north) - and then they continued the pattern. When they finished, I was seeing a checkerboard pattern. At the same time, I started noticing no more air planes in the area.

The next day was Saturday, so I called over to Peterson and asked about an air show, they weren't aware of anything.

I asked about the "show" I'd observed the night before. They knew "nothing about that". I asked about the patterns they left, and the folks at Operations were not aware of any flights that would have involved tankers flying in formation, nor were they aware of anything else going on the night before.

The Colorado Springs tower DID confirm they had diverted traffic for a couple of hours around the Pikes Peak region for some unknown military maneauvers. But, no one could confirm the exercise.

We don't fly KC-135's out of Peterson, we fly C-130s. None of my pilot friends were aware of anything either.

I wrote it off until I heard an Art Bell show one night. Then it started to click.

So - before Tycho, or anyone else offhandedly dismisses this subject as an urban legend (and you're fine to believe what you will, Sir) I would suggest you all take another look at it.

Rick Donaldson
Anomalies Network Admin
Colorado Springs

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1) I SAW a formation of at least eight aircraft, which I did identify as KC-135s (those are Boeing 707s, with a "stinger", the refueling device under the tail of the plane. You can't possibly confuse them with other planes when you know what you're looking at).

2) The planes were flying side by side at a distance of several thousand feet apart, traveling from east to west when I spotted them.

3) The planes BEGAN to show trails at exactly the same time, across a vast region of the sky. Trust me the weather patterns here are ANYTHING but precise, and thus the chances of EACH AIRCRAFT (scattered over several miles apart) starting to show a contrail at precisely the same time are astronomical in the Pikes Peak region due to the various surges and updrafts from the mountain range). It would not have happened. Period.

4) The planes ceased depositing a cloud trail behind them at EXACTLY the same time. Military precision in flying is, if nothing else both a pleasure to watch, and a pleasure to know our military is capable of doing, in the defense of my country. It was NOT unusual for me to have seen something like that - at air shows throughout the country. Thus, I ASSUMED at the TIME it was some sort of practice for an air show. I was mistaken. There were no air shows anywhere within several states of me on that weekend. (It was a Friday night, generally before air shows, the participants practice the day and evening before the actual shows. That's a fact, check with any air show in your area, or in the US).

5) the planes changed course, after they flew behind the mountain range, and returned roughly twenty minutes later. They came from the south and flew northward, EXACTLY on true north (I have it marked in my yard, because of antenna orientation and communications dishes I have there, so I KNOW which way north is). At precisely the point where the first "contrail" started, the planes again started to show trails. They ended exactly when they had flown to the last one (which was about 2 minutes I think).

From my own observations - I saw a formation of military aircraft, turning on and off some sort of device that allowed for a visible cloud formation. There were NO OTHER CONTRAILS that afternoon, before, OR after. These were NOT contrails. I didn't even consider any other possibilities than it was an air show until I confirmed there weren't any, anywhere near by. When I called the tower, they told me that normal air traffic had been diverted for a full two hours (at least). They only said it had to do with military maneauvers.

I didn't hear ANYTHING about "chemtrails" until about a year later. The pictures popped up to haunt me a few days after I heard the Art Bell show. I sent them off to that guy that runs the web site about it. I've never heard anything else about it, except the occasional posts like this thread.

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some people's contrails are other people's chemtrails...and vice versa...

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