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"outsourcing" American jobs is TREASON!!!!
 Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:29 pm
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Outsourcing - the worst of Crony Capitalism
Employer of last resort - GOVERNMENT
If you want to understand politics, you better educate yourself about crony capitalism. Free enterprise is the engine of wealth creation, but the merging of an economy into State/Capitalism is the formula for companion elitism. Companions in control is the method of globalism. The goal is uncomplicated. Globalism = no middle class anywhere on the planet . . . Increases in productivity produce affluence, but distributing enhanced profits is seldom shared proportionately. As a principle of private property, ye who owns the gold, makes the rules.
However, is this an absolute standard that best serves your self interest, when the means of earning a living are under a systematic assault? Outsourcing is highly profitable for the select few who manipulate the financial markets. The foremost monopoly is the global system of distorted trade that lines the pockets of cronies that have access to serious capital. They maximize their corporate reach, built upon the lowest cost of production or service costs. Moving the venture to the next futile pasture, means that the next herd of sheep can graze and deplete the grass. The stock price jumps because earnings are sheltered by the unencumbered flow of imports not subject to domestic tariffs.
This falsehood for commerce is certainly not free for the consumers who have lost the means to earn a decent living. The reason that billionaires protect this charade and form a super elite rests upon their ability to penalize the vast majority by draining the life from middle class affluence. You say what else is new! The twist is that the remaining few who still are able to keep their heads above the waves, mostly work for transnational firms, derive funding from these corporations or are government bureaucrats.
It’s all one big buddy system. Free trade is designed to be anti-competitive for domestic enterprises. That’s the entire point of the experiment. Probe the meaning of the inference of the national trade association for the high-tech industry - offshore outsourcing on U.S. joblessness has been exaggerated and that attempts to legislate a solution would backfire because foreign retaliation would curb U.S exports. This AeA trade organization wants to discredit a study by Forrester Research, that concludes that 3.3 million U.S. service jobs will be lost offshore by 2015. What are the exports that the AeA allude? JOBS !!!
If the goal is to swell sales at the lowest possible cost, sure move offshore. However, a business does not possess rights, for a corporation is an artificial invention that lawyers dreamt up to confuse the public and shelter the privileged. Doing business and conducting worthwhile commerce that benefits an entire society is the laudable objective. Most people understand greed, but how many are willing to admit that self-defeating altruism is used to defend outsourcing?
Consider the argument of Kevin Schmiesing, published on the Catholic Exchange, when he cites: “Americans, including those temporarily hurt by outsourcing, need to keep their own economic situation in perspective. New Republic writer Gregg Easterbrook in his recent book, The Progress Paradox, calculates that even poor Americans have a better material living standard than 99.4 percent of the estimated 80 billion people who have ever lived”. Mr Schmiesing summation reaps of a doctrine of guilt: “The impulse to protect American workers is praiseworthy. But such an impulse, if it leads to policies that ignore economic principles and the demands of justice, ends by doing harm, even to those intended to benefit”.
What are the economic principles that are being abused? If struggling to eke out a better life is an offense against Christianity, leaving that church proved correct. The distinction between voluntary charity and compelled sacrifice should be self evident, but seems to have been is lost during Mr Schmiesing’s advanced education.
Economic principles, in order for them to be valid, must stand the test of the real world. Human self interest defines economic transactions. Morality is not abandoned by charging a fair and equable cost for a business deal. However, it is a profound violation of your own self respect to place a burden of fabricated duty in a dress of social justice.
If the policy diminishes the economic opportunity of our own citizens, it runs contrary to the benefit of our nation. This is a standard that builds and maintains a free society. Willingly accepting the consequence of unavoidable poverty from a conscious strategy to outsource is just dumb.
The flack that Lou Dobbs gets for standing up for a strong and self sustaining domestic economy, usually comes from the favored and vested interests of a corrupt corporate/state axis of globalism. These are the facts that Dobbs’ critics refuse to dispute:
Number one: We're not creating jobs in the private sector, and that's never happened before in our history. Our economists and politicians need to be coming up with answers, not dogma.
Number two: We haven't had a trade surplus in this country in more than two decades, and our trade deficit continues to soar.
Number three: We've lost three million jobs in this country over the last three years, and millions more American jobs are at risk of being outsourced to cheap overseas labor markets.
Libertarian purists are intellectually dishonest or caught in a blind spot. Advocacy of a pro American middle class self sufficient populism is based upon sound economics. Avoid debt, retain and save the earnings of honest work and trade with your neighbor so that prosperity can be shared among your community. Charitable efforts to offer a helping hand does not mean you need to cut off your own fist at the wrist, to establish your virtue.
Global trade is desirable when it conforms to the lost principles that so confuse Mr Schmiesing. Lou Dobbs sets the record straight. “Our principal trading partners, Canada, China, Japan and the European Union, all typically maintain annual trade surpluses and pursue balanced trade. Why don't my critics call them protectionists? Why not call them economic isolationists?” The Financial Times currently reports: Japan's trade surplus highest in five years, exceeded market forecasts by jumping 51.7. If you are unable to draw the distinction between a free enterprise model and the orchestrated cartel of an impious cabal that shifts the production from Mexico to China and on to India, you better sell all your derivatives. If you believe you are not already invested in such instruments, loosing you own job won’t hurt; for you are already severely crippled, with economic dementia.
But if your sustenance filters down from a Fortune 500 or you draw a check from some branch of government, why should you care. Kevin Schmiesing’s social justice will outsource your needs and the AeA will keep you entertained with re-educational programs, hard circuited and wired to your brain. As the middle class shrinks, your liberty expires. What is an acceptable substitute for self sufficiency - INTERDEPENDENCE ? If you can live with that alternative, protectionism is moot; America would have expired and you are already a serf in the NWO.
SARTRE - March 26, 2004
...we see that there are two different kinds of...societies: (a) parasitic societies and (b) producing societies. The former are those which live from hunting, fishing, or merely gleaning. By their economic activities they do not increase, but rather decrease, the amount of wealth in the world. The second kind of societies, producing societies, live by agricultural and pastoral activities. By these activities they seek to increase the amount of wealth in the world.
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:14 am
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The new global workplace, Part 1: Offshore jobs bring gains at home
Minneapolis Star and Tribune. September 5th, 2004
WUXI, CHINA -- Outside the air is dank, dusty and hot as a tropical fever. Inside, in an environment that's dry, spotless and cool, hundreds of former farm laborers covered head to toe in suits looking like something out of NASA are performing work for Bloomington-based Donaldson Co. Inc.
The 800,000 smaller-than-a-fingernail filters produced here each day are essential to the hard drives of computers, and Donaldson pays the Chinese workers less than $1 an hour to make them.
Moving westward from China, the day finds Indian subcontractors of St. Paul's Lawson Software fine-tuning programs, Irish employees of Delta Dental handling data entry and Mexican workers making products for 3M Co.
In short, the world is fast becoming Minnesota's third shift.
A Chinese worker manufactures tiny filters for Don
A Chinese worker manufactures tiny filters for Donaldson.
Glen Stubbe
Star Tribune
The trend has been portrayed as a job killer in the United States, and critics have pointed to examples from North Carolina, where textile and furniture factories have closed, to California, where some technology jobs have been sent overseas. But the evidence shows that most U.S. consumers and workers are benefiting from the globalization of the workforce.
"More jobs are created than are lost" from sending work offshore, said Mike Raimondi, an economist at Global Insight, an economic consulting firm.
In Donaldson's case, the company now has twice as many workers in China -- 2,500 -- as the 1,100 it has in Bloomington. The Chinese operation not only has allowed Donaldson to keep making a product it no longer could make at a profit in the United States, it also has helped boost the company's Minnesota employment, up by 400 people since 1990.
Donaldson's highly paid engineers, chemists and designers in Minnesota spend their days designing updated filters that the Chinese plant will make for use in computers, MP3 players and digital video recorders. The falling disk-drive prices made possible by Chinese production are feeding demand for the gadgets.
"If we didn't follow the [trend], we'd be out of business," said David Timm, general manager of Donaldson's disk-drive and microelectronics unit.
In Minnesota, Global Insight estimates that 1,854 jobs were created as a result of foreign outsourcing in 2003. By 2008, the firm expects nearly 6,700 new jobs in Minnesota as a consequence of the trend.
Within the information technology sector nationwide, the money saved by global outsourcing led to the net creation of 90,000 IT jobs in 2003 and should lead to an additional 317,000 jobs in the sector through 2008, Global Insight concluded this year. For the U.S. economy overall, Global Insight projects 589,000 net new jobs created as a result of outsourcing by 2008.
"For companies in the United States that are looking for growth, they've got to go offshore where the markets are growing faster," Raimondi said.
Trend is here to stay
Observers agree on something about outsourcing -- it's here to stay, and it will become more widespread, affecting more office and service jobs over time in addition to manufacturing.
Twenty-eight percent of the 252 small, medium and large Minnesota companies responding to a new state government survey, to be released later this month, said they were making goods outside the country in 2003. Fully one-third of the companies responding said they expect to be producing goods off shore by 2008.
Thirty-six percent already are importing components for their products, according to the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development.
Among the Minnesota companies expanding offshore, some, such as 3M and Cargill, have been dotting the globe with offices and factories for years. Others, newcomers to the trend, are smaller companies that few people are familiar with outside their industries.
Nationwide, the number of jobs moving offshore is predicted to grow tenfold over the next 10 years.
Outsourcing might be inevitable, but that doesn't make it any more attractive to Bob Dallmann.
The 49-year-old Dallmann was temporarily laid off last year from Homecrest Industries, a Wadena-based maker of lawn furniture. His union recently agreed to pay cuts and made benefit concessions to keep Homecrest afloat as the company struggles against a wave of less-expensive lawn furniture made in China and elsewhere. Homecrest also has been importing parts and some completed furniture from China to curb its costs.
A veteran of 16 years with the company, Dallmann isn't sure his future with Homecrest will last so long.
"They're going to hang on as long as they can. They're trying to stay in business," he said. "But give them another 16 years? That would be asking a lot."
Stories like Dallmann's have helped make global outsourcing a major topic of political debate as far back as 1993, when Ross Perot famously predicted a "giant sucking sound" of U.S. jobs going to Mexico if the North American Free Trade Agreement was passed. Concerns about NAFTA receded as the U.S. economy boomed for much of the late '90s, but outsourcing -- this time with China and India as the main objects of anxiety -- has become a hot topic again in the past three years as job growth has slowed. Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry this spring went so far as to label U.S. executives who send work abroad "Benedict Arnolds."
"Our policymakers are trying to put hundreds of thousands of American workers in direct competition with a vast labor pool in the rest of the world that has similar education and skills but works for a small fraction of American wages," said Thea Lee, assistant director of public policy at the AFL-CIO in Washington, D.C.
But the numbers so far show fewer U.S. workers being affected than the rhetoric would suggest.
Only about 2.5 percent, or 6,000, of the nearly 240,000 jobs lost in mass layoffs in the first three months of this year stemmed from the relocation of work overseas, by the estimate of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The agency found workers were twice as likely to be laid off as a result of business relocations within the United States during that period, the most recent for which data are available.
In Minnesota and six other Midwestern states, fewer than one in 10 of the workers laid off lost work to someone overseas, the bureau reported.
In comparison, about 2 million Americans change jobs voluntarily each month, according to the McKinsey & Co. consulting firm.
Part of the ongoing focus on work going overseas stems from the fact that government statistics are better set up to keep track of why jobs are lost than gained, said Steve Hine, director of the labor market information office at the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development.
"It's easier to identify a job that's being lost because a company announces its relocation plans vs. a lot of the job growth that's occurring here in order to meet foreign demand for our products," he said.
The math's not hard for Mark Robinow, however.
Robinow, the chief financial officer of Integrated Decisions and Systems Inc., says every job at his company exists because of overseas outsourcing.
Bloomington-based Integrated Decisions had to cut costs, and fast, after the 9/11 terrorist attacks slashed demand from the hotel and airline industries for its software. Integrated laid off about half its workforce of 90 and hired workers in India to do their jobs.
The company's costs dropped by several million dollars, thanks to the lower wages, cheaper real estate and a "tax holiday" granted by the Indian government.
"I think it's almost a certainty we would have had to close the company, had we not had the ability to move these jobs offshore when we did, in response to a crisis," Robinow said. "The company would not be here and the 50 jobs that we now have in the United States wouldn't exist."
Spreading the wealth
Pemstar is another Minnesota company that has grown jobs at home by sending some work overseas.
The Rochester-based company started as an IBM spinoff with a handful of employees 10 years ago. It now has about 500 employees in Minnesota.
At Pemstar's fast-growing factory in Tianjin, China, row upon row of workers -- up to 4,000 at peak times, working three shifts a day -- make electronic chips and assemble cell phones. They earn about $120 a month.
Such plants not only help the cost of cell phones spiral downward worldwide, but also allow Pemstar to cater to seemingly limitless demand in China, where 1.4 billion people otherwise deal with traditional phone service that is spotty and sometimes nonexistent.
"We felt it was important to have a presence in Asia because of the growth there," said Roy Bauer, Pemstar's chief operating officer.
Engineers in Rochester design the equipment that makes many of the parts being assembled in the company's distant outposts. They also make the high-end computer chips that require a level of sophistication -- and intellectual property protections -- found in the United States. While the electronic chips snapped into cell phones in Pemstar's Chinese plant cost less than a buck apiece, some of the circuitry the company makes in Rochester is destined for advanced computer servers and costs thousands of dollars.
Pemstar's products aren't just made in China -- they are bought here, too.
At Tianjin restaurants it's common to see couples in their mid-20s with two cell phones in front of each plate. One is for business, the other for personal calls. Pemstar's making 300 million of those phones a year.
American products are the rage among China's growing middle class, many of whom owe their relative prosperity to jobs created directly by U.S. companies or indirectly, thanks to U.S. demand for everything from tiny toys in Happy Meals to the giant cranes that hoist steel to the top of skyscrapers.
China, which as recently as the 1970s couldn't even sufficiently feed its own population, would seem to be the largest beneficiary of its burgeoning relationship with the United States. But a study by the McKinsey consulting firm concluded that the United States is reaping the largest benefits from outsourcing, with $1.12 to $1.14 of every $1.45 to $1.47 in value created coming back to U.S. citizens through lower prices on goods and services and increased business sales and profits.
The evidence is easy to see on China's streets. The wages earned by the shoppers who throng new Chinese malls are still low enough to provide American consumers with the $500 personal computers, $50 cell phones and $15 linen shirts they've come to expect, but high enough for the Chinese to now aspire to Nike shoes, a General Motors car, Coke and the latest flavors from Ben & Jerry's.
The ubiquitous bicycle is giving way to Buicks.
"In China, if it's demonstrably a U.S. import, people will pay more for it," said R. Mark Mechem, director of business at the U.S. China Business Council in Washington, D.C.
Pong Bao Chen is one of the Chinese workers who owe a newly improved standard of living to the U.S.-China ties.
Chen's income soared in the past couple of years from her work as a punch-press operator in a Chinese industrial park in Taizhou, making goods that will end up in the United States and other nations in Asia. A Taiwanese investor, seeking out skilled workers, was willing to pay Chen more than double what she made at a state-owned company.
Before coming to the city, she lived a hand-to-mouth existence in rural China.
"On a farm, you're lucky if you can break even," she said through an interpreter. Now Chen and her husband, who works in the same factory, together make about $5,000 a year, putting them solidly in the Chinese middle class.
The role played by U.S. employers in supporting the Chinese economy has been crucial given that worker dislocations in China in recent years dwarf the U.S. experience. The United States lost nearly 2 million manufacturing jobs from 1995 to 2002; in China, 15 million went looking for work in the same period.
Tony Lorusso, director of the Minnesota Trade Office, said Americans can't expect foreigners to buy our products and invest in the United States but then frown on U.S. firms investing overseas.
"It's an interesting commentary that we want all the benefits of international trade but we don't recognize that other countries want those benefits, as well," Lorusso said.
Faced with reality
Economists and politicians are sure to keep debating the effects of outsourcing, but there is nothing to suggest that companies in Minnesota and elsewhere won't continue to move some work offshore, in search of cost advantages and customers.
Improvements in communications technology are extending the trend beyond manufacturing to service workers and white-collar occupations.
By 2015, about 3.4 million service jobs now performed in the United States will go offshore, by the estimate of Forrester Research. That number appears daunting, but it still represents just 2 percent of the current U.S. workforce of about 140 million people. And by 2015 the workforce will be even larger, making the outsourced number an even smaller percentage of the total.
For nine of every 10 U.S. jobs, moving offshore isn't a threat, by most estimates, either because there is no cost advantage or it's simply not practical to shift the work. It's difficult or impossible to move the work of a chef or a construction foreman, to use just two examples, to India.
Among manufacturers, the firms likely to drive the next phase of growth for outsourcing are small companies.
One of them is run by Larry Goode, chief executive of E.S. Dygert Inc., a Minneapolis wholesaler of specialized industrial components.
"Like it or not, I'm faced with this reality," said Goode, fresh from a trip to Shanghai and Singapore in search of suppliers who can provide goods on the cheap.
"If I ignore it, I'm facing a slow death over time."
"I'm worried about taking potential business away from long-term, loyal [Midwest] vendors I've dealt with for two generations," he said. "But I have 25 mouths to feed -- my own employees. |
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:58 am
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The 800,000 smaller-than-a-fingernail filters produced here each day are essential to the hard drives of computers, and Donaldson pays the Chinese workers less than $1 an hour to make them.
Wow great! Slave labor, and soon Americans can expect to see the same kind of pay here in the States. Then we can have a poverty stricken, crime ridden s!@#-hole for a country, fantastic.
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"More jobs are created than are lost" from sending work offshore, said Mike Raimondi, an economist at Global Insight, an economic consulting firm.
Sure, just as long as you're willing to pack up and move to India where you can ride a fu**ing camel to work for next to nothing wages. I can only hope and pray that mr. Raimondi loses his job next. Then he'll change his perspective in a heartbeat. Must be a republican that signs his checks though for him to make these absurd statements.
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"For companies in the United States that are looking for growth, they've got to go offshore where the markets are growing faster," Raimondi said.
And the ceo's of these backstabbing, anti-US companies should be forced to offshore their homes and families as well.
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"If I ignore it, I'm facing a slow death over time."
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Mech
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:00 pm
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100% TRAITORS...each and every last one of them.
Also...One thing ive learned about "economists" is that most of them are WELL PAID and have ther head up their @$$. |
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:23 pm
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Originally posted by Mech
100% TRAITORS...each and every last one of them.
Also...One thing ive learned about "economists" is that most of them are WELL PAID and have ther head up their @$$.
For the right price you can get anyone to say anything. Bush will bribe scientists, economists, veterans, Zell Miller or anyone else willing to take the bait. Many times a paid Bush spokesperson finds his/herself to be the lone wolf of his position. Look at all of the highly credible and revered scientists that are horrified by the ecological irresponsibility of current anti-environment, pro-industry policies. Compare that to the few quasi-scientists that seem to hide from then overwhelming evidence that we are contaminating the planet with factory caused pollution. People like atfateshands can scour the lowest depths of the Internet for articles that appear to reinforce their distorted views but it ultimately proves nothing other than the fact that they've been had. |
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