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Wake Up, Michael Moore
 Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:45 am
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Wake Up, Michael Moore
From Guy Williams
guy@beholdinfinity.org
11-7-4
Mr. Moore,
Though I appreciate your humor in general, this time it reminds me of Charlie Chaplin starring in the movie, The Great Dictator (1940), which he did to ridicule Hitler. Mr. Chaplin later lamented doing this movie because he did not take Hitler's threat to world peace seriously.
The 2004 election was stolen through vote fraud.
You seemed to miss this vote fraud issue in your humor. Why? There were negative vote counts. There was a county in Ohio where 638 people voted yet Bush received over 4200 votes. There were over 2,000,000 people disenfranchised in Florida. There was a machine in Florida that counted up to around 67,000 and then started counting backwards. In predominantly Black/Democratic areas, there were too few machines to use and some people stood in line for up to NINE hours to vote. Every single state which used electronic voting machines experienced problems, some major.
The stories of vote fraud in this election are so numerous, that one cannot keep count anymore. The documentary (http://www.votergate.tv) has been hacked offline. Is there something Americans should not know?
Maybe you are not aware that there is a relationship between voting machine companies and defense contractors. As pointed out in the article Democracy Fails: Corporations Win by Peter Phillips (http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-27.htm), "The real winners November 2 are the military industrial complex, who will continue to feed at the 500 billion-dollar military trough and the corporate media, whose coffers were filled with billions of dollars for campaign ads."
Interesting, huh? He further writes, " And can we be sure we actually had a fair election among those who did vote? Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Diebold, and Sequoia are the companies primarily involved in implementing the new voting stations throughout the country. All three have strong ties to the Bush Administration. The largest investors in ES&S, Sequoia, and Diebold are government defense contractors Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed-Martin, Electronic Data Systems (EDS) and Accenture. Diebold hired Scientific Applications International Corporation (SAIC) of San Diego to develop the software security in their voting machines."
(And Accenture, if I recall, used to be Andersen Consulting which was involved in the Enron debacle. So they changed their name and moved offshore.)
I'm sure you're aware that defense contractors generate revenue by developing weapons. And that we need wars to use weapons in thereby generating the need for more weapons.. The article, Neo-Con Agenda: Iran, China, Russia, Latin America... by Jim Lobe (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-01.htm) outlines the wars to be fought over the next few years in the name of "freedom". Frank Gaffney, the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy developed the list of items the administration should follow. 'These items do not represent some sort of neo-con 'imperialist' game plan'', Gaffney stressed. ''Rather, they constitute a checklist of the work the world will demand of this president and his subordinates in a second term.''
A "checklist". Hmmmm.... "[W]ork the world will demand [sic] of this president..." Oh, really?
The first item on Gaffney's list is the destruction of Fallujah. Fallujah reminds me of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in World War II. I need not remind you how that ended. Gaffney also calls for ''regime change -- one way or another -- in Iran and North Korea, the only hope for preventing these remaining 'Axis of Evil' states from fully realizing their terrorist and nuclear ambitions.'' This is his second item. He also mentions Russia, China, and Latin America.
Remember Bush stating emphatically during the town hall debate that there would be no draft? We do not have the troops in the armed forces to realize Gaffney's deluded dreams. Do you think there will be another phony terrorist attack on US soil to stir up the masses to blindly strike out and kill anyone the administration wants killed while we wrap ourselves in the American flag?
The destruction of Fallujah is occurring as I write this comfortably ensconced in my California abode. This is item number one on Gaffney's list. As reported by the Guardian, US ready for Falluja assault (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1345049,00.html), Scotland Today, American Marines attack Fallujah (http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=5674), the BBC, US strikes raze Falluja hospital (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3988433.stm), and TruthOut, 10,000 GIs Ring Fallujah in Preparation for Massive Battle (http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110604V.shtml), the US is being quite successful in liberating more Iraqis.
My main concern as a result of this "second selection" of Bush is for the children of this and other countries, specifically, my nieces. I wonder what will happen with the draft. What kind of country consumes their youngest and finest for pure profit? What kind of parents cannibilize their children to save themselves? What kind of nation spreads freedom and democracy by bombing and killing others? How many of Americas children, young and old, will die in these delusional wars for "freedom"? What kind of nation endorses torture?
Although you write about the need for surprise in 2008 to take the country back, you're assuming that our Republic and this democracy is still functioning. It is not. It is in intensive care and the prognosis is not good.
Mr. Moore, I feel that the savior for our nations ills, and that of the world, lay in the spiritual. It does not come by preaching moral values but by living and exemplifying them. We cannot spread peace through bombs and suffering. We must live peacefully ourselves. We cannot condemn those who are different than us. We can accept our differences and grow and mature. We cannot strike out because we think someone looked at us in a funny way or speaks with an accent or in another language.. We cannot strike out at other countries because we think, maybe, they might, sometime in the future, do something we do not like. Pre-emptive attacks do not a democracy make.
You, as a film maker have tremendous power you can wield.
You can show that the Osama bin Laden tapes were faked. You can show by frame analysis and capture that these are different people speaking. You can show the obituary and funeral service information that appeared in the Egyptian media several years ago regarding bin Laden's death and that al-Zarqwari is dead, too. You can point out the relationship between dead, nonexistent terrorists and Emmanuel Goldstein in George Orwell's prescient book,1984. Thomas Jefferson defined terrorism as "a mode of government by terror or intimidation."
You can show the glaring discrepancies in the Nick Berg decapitation video and that Nick Berg worked at Abu Ghraib prison. You can publicize the Project for a New American Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) and the report they published, Rebuilding America's Defenses (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf), which on page 51 calls for a new Pearl Harbor.
You can document the three lawsuits against the entire Bush administration, the ones by William "Willie" Rodriguez and Ellen Mariani (http://www.911forthetruth.com) and Stanley Hilton's lawsuit (http://911review.org/Wiki/StanleyHiltonLawsuit.shtml). Hilton represents over 400 9/11 families and, having deposed numerous military personnel, has evidence Bush signed the order for 9/11.
You have the ability to show that American corporate media is under no compulsion to report the truth. (http://www.foxbghsuit.com/). They are only beholden to their advertisers and must keep people viewing and not thinking. You can show that they prey upon people's "victimhood".
You have the ability to document and publicize these underreported stories. If Americans knew more of what was happening around them, things might change overnight. As Thomas Jefferson stated, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." Even Patrick Henry stated, "For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it." This is part of his Give me Liberty or Give me Death speech. (http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html)
Recently, I listened Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "Beyond Vietnam" address he gave at Riverside Church in April 1967. (http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/politicalspeeches/mlkagainstvietnam.mp3)
How utterly timely this speech is for today. Dr. King closed by saying, "If we but make the right choice, we will be able to speed up the day, all over America and all over the world, when justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."
Charlie Chaplin was not happy with the choice he made. Are you?
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Swamp Gas
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Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:42 pm
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Humor is especially important at this point in history, so I can't agree with the writer 100%. What I do agree with is going to the important points that Moore missed. It seemed like Moore was more interested in making fun of Bush than talking about the obvious like the stand down of NORAD, anomalies in WTC collapse, and the Israeli connection.
That's why people present and in the past such as DEVO, Jon Stewart, Firesign Theater, Lenny Bruce, Tim Leary, William S Burroughs, Irwin Corey, and others knew the importance of humor spiced with VERY biting social commentary. Actually, the "Red State" people are mostly beyong reproach. Facts or humor make no difference to them. It was the fence walkers that perhaps Moore was targeting by making fun of Bush. If Alex Jones Video got wide distribution, perhaps that could have swayed them.
Look at Howard Stern. Foaming at the mouth about Bush. The next day after the election, he is telling us to unite behind the president, and nary a word about it anymore. T & A is back on Stern's site. Moore and Stern are filthy rich, so what do they really care?
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Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:22 pm
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Michael Moore,just another media whore. |
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Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:06 pm
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I would not go as far as calling Moore a 'media whore' after all he is the only one getting enough air time to actually raise awareness on issues we have been talking about for months if not years.
Put yourself in his shoes for a moment and imagine all of the e-mails, letters, phone calls etc. that flood this mans office. It has to be a real pain in the ass to sort through legitimate information vs. B.S.
Then you must take into account the fact that Moore’s credibility is on the line, trust me, the first time Moore makes a factual error in one of his documentaries, the Neo-Cons will bury him and he will lose the faith of many he has worked to persuade in the first place.
Don't bash the guy until he turns to the Darkside.
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| Mr. Moore - the "Movie Maker"
Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:05 am
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I was without a doubt, a little entertained when I viewed Michael's movies,
("Bowling for Columbine" & "Farenheit 9/11"). I don't believe it matters
very much too him when he directly says; "I just want to make movies."
I do know he made a crapload of money in the theatre and continues to
make more in sales and rentals, not to mention the fact that it's true that
he leaves things out. There is one particular name I can't recall being mentioned at all. Can anyone name that Illuminati? Enough of this.
The bottom line holds a demanding question!
What can WE DO?
If anyone thinks, after seeing what just happened to this election, that there is a way to stop this ONE WORLD ORDER from going forward, when we can't even stop a backwoods texas butbug from continuing to make millions of dollars off our blood, and the blood of the rest of the get in the way world..............................
Didn't someone say that the devil's best trick was making people believe he doesn't exist? Here George W. has made the opposite occur.
Only he also has some people believing that we can defeat the devil without any allies.
Worse of all he's managed to create The Devil from doing what he's doing.
Sorry, I can't write too much about this before my brain starts to overload.
kevin
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:27 am
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I would not go as far as calling Moore a 'media whore' after all he is the only one getting enough air time to actually raise awareness on issues we have been talking about for months if not years. " after all he is the only one getting enough air time to actually raise awareness on issues we have been talking about for months if not years." That statement says it all.Why is he allowed to get the airtime? He's doing some ones bidding.Be it a distraction, or disinfo,the fact is, he was allowed to put it out .TPTB or NWO wanted the movie out. Reason being,... I don't know. Don't bash the guy until he turns to the Darkside." I believe, he's there. My opinion. |
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| yeah,,,,,,and now he's gonna make another one, I can't wait!
Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:58 am
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What is it?,
Another three years?
Another "BLOCKBUSTER!"
By the time he gets the info out this world could be in it's.......
"Second Great Depression!",,,,,,,,
Made contact with Aliens on a "World Scale!",,,,,,,,,,,,
Discovered the "Cure for Cancer!", "Aids!",
You get the idea, right?
So by that time it will do about as much good as it did this time.
Which means I had all that info and a whole lot more to boot.
Basically, I was able to watch without much thinking at all,
as far as putting the facts together in my head,
and getting a laugh out of the material.
So yes this is just simply comedy movie making,
while tossing a little anger emotion into it at times also.
It's no wonder Quintin lapped it up the way he did.
It is a shame though, because the people that do not study the things we do would so much benifit from this info before it doesn't matter anymore.
So if Charlie Chaplin wasn't happy,(I read that & saw the specials on it),
I don't believe that Michael Moore will be in a long run either.
Then again who really knows anymore?
I also think I somewhat agree with the darkside comment.
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:56 pm
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Michael Moore simply does not exercise enough and eats a VERY toxic diet. This I believe is what makes him on the "Darkside". Like the Dixie Chicks, Springsteen, John Mellancamp, Woody Harrelson, et al, he tried their best. Of course he is no Alex Jones, where him and Vox looked and talked like Jesus and an Apostle talking to the people in New York during the RNC. If you look at the world of music, Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks are no KRS-1, DEVO, Negativland, or Public Enemy, but pop minded people have to let the Door of Truth swing slowly open. |
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:54 am
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i do agree that moore leaves out a lot and is more interested in making money than finding the real truth....but i stumbled into this whole world of hidden agendas, chemtrails etc.... by watching his movie. It opened my eyes to the other information around...so in that way he is doing a service to all those in the know as he is furthering the cause and getting more people like me involved.
although i have to say i dont support anyone who is so critical of politics and corruption and then campaigns for the democrats/kerry so vigourously. that dropped him well down in my estimation |
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:14 am
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Well I do not want to just shrug off the above comments but I still think Moore got his foot in the door somehow. I mean how hard is it to make movies in the first place? You just can't make your first movie about bashing the President and expect to get nation wide play. Mike had to get his foot in the door somehow. To reinterate, I think he dosn't mention the real juciy information because he his trying to protect himself.
What if he did blow the lid off of something? I bet he would unexpectantly die from a heartattack.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:32 am
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Mr.Moore's film making is always the same.He comes in, after the fact,presents the facts,berates those he figures are the bad guys,and makes a fortune. In other words Michael Moore is literally getting fat of the misery of others. |
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