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theseeker
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I hope I'm not laboring the point...but some more on sulfur content in fuel inrelation to contrail production....
http://cloud1.arc.nasa.gov/success/daily_summary/Highlights/960427.hil.html
http://cloud1.arc.nasa.gov/success/success.eom.html#tocIIGiii
T-39 Highlights from SUCCESS; Bruce Anderson - LaRC
Observations of aerosol/trace gas emissions and wake/plume dynamics were obtained from the T-39 on 14 separate flights during the SUCCESS mission. On 10 of the flights, data were recorded within the wake of the NASA DC-8 or B757 aircraft at separation distances ranging from < 50 m to > 10 km and at altitudes ranging from the surface to near 13 km. Two of the flights were devoted to sampling the B757 exhaust as it alternately burned fuel of high (~700 ppm) and low (< 20 ppm) sulfur content. Important new information gathered in these flights include:- Modern aircraft engines appear to generate 1-5 x 1015 >20 nm diameter soot particles per Kg fuel burned at cruise altitudes. This emission index (EI) may be slightly pressure/temperature dependent as most altitude profiles suggest values increase a factor of 2 between the surface and 12 km. -Aircraft, when burning nominal sulfur level Jet A fuel, generate an aerosol fraction volatile at < 290¡C which is 10-20 times more abundant than the soot component. These aerosols typically are < 20 nm in size and exhibit an EI which increases somewhat with decreasing atmospheric pressure/ temperature. They are present within 50 m (plume age of 0.25 seconds) behind the source aircraft engine and appear to grow in size with age and in high humidity/contrail producing situations. Their numbers are significantly reduced in heavy contrail cases and by decreasing the level of fuel sulfur, suggesting they are both soluble and most probably composed of sulfuric acid or sulfate.
ATMOSPHERIC CHEMISTRY
Chemical Ionization Mass Spectrometer; John Ballenthin - Air Force Phillips Lab
On May 3rd and 4th the T-39 participated in an aircraft chase of the B-757 under conditions where the B-757 was burning low sulfur fuel in one engine and high sulfur fuel in the other. The concentrations of the target exhaust products, NO2, HNO2, HNO3, SO2 and H2SO4 were measured within the individual plumes and near field wakes at separation distances ranging from 0.1 km to 10 km. The signature of the exhaust gases in the mass spectrum were clearly discernible with either fuel relative to the ambient concentrations of the measured species. Sampling of the low sulfur exhaust trail indicated a substantial reduction (~x5) in the observable gas phase SO2 and H2SO4 relative to that found in the high sulfur exhaust trail under identical sampling conditions. The concentrations of the NOy species were found to be essentially invariant with respect to fuel sulfur content.
And this is interesting...
Cloudscope; John Hallett - Desert Research Institute
Cloudscope shows the presence of a few particles in contrails which evaporate to leave a soot-like residue.
Shows the presence of particles at low temperatures <-65C which evaporate more slowly as the size becomes smaller suggesting the presence of a component other than ice with a lower vapor pressure.
There is some evidence of particle conversion to a liquid phase as they evaporate suggesting the presence of a soluble component which is reluctant to evaporate.
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3T3L1
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Thu Sep 06, 2001 1:50 pm
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So is it possible that the occasional batch of jet fuel has a high sulfur content? Or that an increased amount of high-altitude flying has significantly increased sulfuric acid in the atmosphere? This might explain the oily rings around the sun and moon, and the chemdome phenomenon.
I found this article interesting. It's a PDF, unfortunately. http://eos913c.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcss_wg2/projects/ARM94/cold_cirrus.pdf
Corona-Producing Ice Clouds: A Case Study of a Cold Midlatitude
Cirrus Layer
The homogeneous freezing of sulfuric acid droplets of stratospheric origin is assumed to be the dominant ice particle nucleation mode acting in corona-producing cirrus clouds. It is speculated that this process results in a previously unrecognized mode of acid-contaminated ice particle growth, and that such small-particle "cold" cirrus clouds are potentially a radiatively distinct type of cloud.
It was only recently established, unambiguously, that cirrus clouds composed of nonspherical ice crystals could generate multiple-ring colored corona displays....It was inferred that these atypical midlatitude cirrus cloud microphysical conditions were the result of the formation of some characteristic type of ice crystal
homogeneously nucleated from stratospheric sulfuric acid droplets
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theseeker
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 3:23 am
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So is it possible that the occasional batch of jet fuel has a high sulfur content? Or that an increased amount of high-altitude flying has significantly increased sulfuric acid in the atmosphere? This might explain the oily rings around the sun and moon, and the chemdome phenomenon
dunno...but seems it is a "target" to reduce sulfur and thus cut down trail production, would that not be a kick if it was "sulfur" that causes these evil trails 
but thinking out loud one helluva an easy way to induce worldwide cloud growth..."global warming" scares....the whole green bit...granted if you could persuade refineries to "get in on it"...or get the government to loosen restrictions on S0x emmissions...
man...got too much sun today...
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3T3L1
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 3:55 am
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While we're at it, is it possible that sulfuric acid crystals are responsible for the colors in this trail?
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eyesopen
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 5:28 am
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Some thoughts: First if chemtrails are just sulfer or whatever, why the huge presence of metalic particles after a spray day? The Q-Beam or new Phil's flash camera method don't lie. I've seen these particles. I could go on aboout knowing for sure what clouds will be around because of jet traffic. Not contrails. If I see a lot of jets over my house I know that there will be high fibrous cloud cover regardless of contrail persistance. A lot of jets may fly over and leave normal or no contrails at all (or large persistant ones) but I bet they were spraying somewhere nearby because every time I will see these clouds soon after. Then a lower fat cloud cover will be there. Every time. OK I will stop but debunkers maybe haven't seen what I see on almost a daily basis now. It is real.
Whooo, OK. Recent pics - what is up with Amazen' Raven's pic called "I'm not even guessing". What the heck is coming out of that? Is that a normal aviation thing? The jets bathroom waste? |
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theseeker
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 6:04 am
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why the huge presence of metalic particles after a spray day? The Q-Beam or new Phil's flash camera method don't lie. I've seen these particles.
Could you refer me to a photo of this and what kind of camera it is ?
Right now there are over 2000 flights in the air....looks like a bunch of planes just went thru your state...headin' overseas...
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eyesopen
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 7:09 am
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The camera was a Kodak digital camera DC215 model according to Phil. I think any flash camera would work if the particles are present. I have seen these using a video camera in the daytime with the suns corona and at night with a flashlight. I have seen a tremendous amount of particles visible only when seen under a bright light. I can only say what I saw but it does seem to fit a pattern of metallic particles in the air.
As far as the flights over seas: Could you identify what type of jets I posted in the new image database? Are they commercial? they are dated Sept 6 and called Please identify #1,2,3. I am thinking they are military. If they are, would you know if they were included in your over seas plane group?
Try Barium cloud or Atmospheric Tracers in a search engine. Interesting results that point to some of what may be going on. |
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theseeker
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 8:21 am
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eyesopen,
most digital camera's show a prism or color deformity...I wish some of the pic's I have were film....
are you and the other sure your not seeing pollen or dust ?
Could you identify what type of jets I posted in the new image database? Are they commercial? they are dated Sept 6
that was over an hour ago and there is no archive available, if you would like to schedule a "reading" from F/E in your area...just post a time...evenings are good for me...lol...
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Chem11
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 8:35 am
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I know what you're thinking, eyesopen. Unfortuanately, wonton violence is still considered illegal in civilian society. Sure, the chances of getting a jury that would actually convict you under these mitigating circumstanses is slim, but there's always karma to consider.
Perhaps the time to release a little more video is appoaching... |
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eyesopen
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 8:47 am
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Maybe some more video, should be some right Chem11? I think I have a good one from yesterday, should be online by tomorrow.
TS - They are using the flash to light up the area at night if you were thinking they were using photos to see particles. Pollen or dust? Well they seem mighty reflective and concentrated - try it. I thought you were a "by looks" plane identifier - that's what I'm looken' for. |
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theseeker
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 9:05 am
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I thought you were a "by looks" plane identifier - that's what I'm looken' for.
LOL...no eyesopen, I'm a by facts plane identifier...in realtime !
right now maine :
aerotransportes barlovento
alt 39000
485 knots
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eyesopen
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 9:23 am
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Well I know lots of benevolent planes fly in Maine. But I don't think that ones you see in real time are always the ones I see in real time. Some over my place have been identified as military even by debunkers, would those show up on your software? Where was that last one flying over? |
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Thermit
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 4:27 pm
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Nope, the military flights won't show up at all on Flight Explorer since the FAA filters these out to protect the "troops" and keep their movements secret. |
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theseeker
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Fri Sep 07, 2001 7:00 pm
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actually maine is a fairly low traffic state,I was watching maine when the tiffany brendt thing broke...or sunk...however you choose to look at and my state has almost twice the traffic as maine...Thermit is correct, but the way I look at it F/E does not show military, so if your skywatching and see a plane and it's not on F/E, then you kind of know who it is...there is a huge MOA in maine....tell me eyesopen, is there anything wrong with the military flying their planes ?
If you want to follow military air traffic get a short wave radio....
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eyesopen
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Sat Sep 08, 2001 12:01 am
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No TS, nothing wrong with the military flying planes if they are not spraying  . I am a veteran of 2 air stations myself. I do believe they are engaged in refining some military applications that involve aerosol spraying as well as other operations of like nature. I have seen them spray here so many times of late that I can make amazing predictions about the sky these days. |
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