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Thermit





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PostWed Jun 20, 2001 4:55 pm  Reply with quote  

Well, I would think that Chem11's black line he saw 3 minutes before the plane arrived would not be likely to be a shadow if it was high noon, so that is interesting and perplexing. It seems that some black lines are definately shadows. The rest still seem to have the appearance of a shadow and are aligned with their corresponding plane, but don't behave as we would expect given the position of the Sun, associated trail and position of the haze deck.
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3T3L1





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PostWed Jun 20, 2001 5:26 pm  Reply with quote  

Thermit, if the trail looks like it's below the cloud deck, wouldn't it also look like the shadow is preceding the trail?


code:
ACTUAL

(sun)

..................
. <==================-
. .
~~~-================-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
..................



code:
APPARENT

(sun)

..................
. .
. .
~~~-================-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
. .
. <******************-
..................




=== = actual position of trail
*** = apparent position of trail
< = actual/apparent position of chemplane
~~~ = canopy of haze
..... = area seen in photo



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Thermit





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PostWed Jun 20, 2001 6:48 pm  Reply with quote  

I would certainly think that it could, 3T3L1.
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3T3L1





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PostTue Jun 26, 2001 3:25 pm  Reply with quote  

Looky! Here's an actual picture of a contrail shadow preceding its contrail! Even better, for some reason you can't see the contrail itself. (It doesn't reflect light, but it does absorb it? I dunno.)

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3T3L1





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PostMon Nov 12, 2001 6:18 pm  Reply with quote  

Bump.
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Lulu





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PostMon Nov 12, 2001 6:48 pm  Reply with quote  

ditty bump...

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3T3L1





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PostMon Nov 12, 2001 6:50 pm  Reply with quote  

Dang! How'd they do THAT?
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Chem11





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PostWed Nov 14, 2001 7:32 pm  Reply with quote  

During my recent adventure at Joshua Tree I observed black line 'tracers' preceeding CT's. The thing of it is, this ocurred well after sundown... precluding the possibility of this being a shadow being cast by the trail.

Other random observations:

The trails 'strips' that Thermit refers to were the norm, rather than exception. I witnessed planes laying CT strips directly over strips that had been previously deployed.

The trails had a more 'cloudlike' appearance. Not the smeary looking 'cloud' cover that is prevalent in the Northwest. On one ocassion, I watched the chemcover mature into what appeared to be a stormfront: dark, roiling clouds that threatened rain.

Also of interest; I experienced no adverse symptoms despite constant exposure to the trails for almost a month. Based upon my observations, I can only conclude that the focus of the operation is on weather modification in this particular part of the country...
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