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defender
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Chuck Shramek / Cloud 'Cutting'
 Mon Nov 12, 2001 4:43 pm
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I found this in my favorites list, you may have already seen it, but it has some good chemtrail photos, and moon/Mars anomolies if you haven't (seen it).
http://www.neosoft.com/~cshramek/ |
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Lulu
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Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:40 pm
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Thanks defender...awesome chemtrail pics. One in particular, the "blank lines in the cloud", taken by Bill Hall just North West of Houston, jumped out at me...
From my favorites...
Is there an aviation expert out there who can explain how these "negative" chemtrails are formed? TIA
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defender
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Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:55 pm
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Hi 3T3, I've seen that shadow effect too, at Lake Conroe. The shadow explanation seems to make sense. But what about those 'negative chemtrails', they look like evenly spaced pathways through clouds, like a plowed field? Some are more evenly spaced than others.
Are they just very widely dispersed, dense chemtrails with clear space between them?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by defender on 11-13-2001] |
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Thermit
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Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:09 pm
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This is sometimes refered to as "Cloud Cutting". In my opinion, these are created by jets flying through a very thin cloud... Many Chem-clouds, being human-made, are very thin, and are easily "sliced" through by the jets, resulting in an abscence of the cloud...
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defender
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Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:16 pm
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That makes sense, sometimes they do look like a 'wake' made by jets. |
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canex
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Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:12 am
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The lines in the clouds are called distrails. Distrails generally occur only in supercooled liquid water clouds, but may occur in thin cirrus clouds. There are two possible causes for distrails. When a plane flies through the cloud , the extra water vapor and junk in the exhaust induce freezing fo the liquid water drops. The ice crystals grow rapidly and fall out of the cloud and evaporate below the cloud. The result is a blank line in the cloud. The other cause for distrails is micxing with dry air. The wing tips of the airplane cause vortices that may spin air from fligt level down several hundred meters. As the plane flies a few hundred meters or less above the cloud, the dry air from above is pulled down by the vortex into the cloud, mixes with the cloud air and droplets, reduces the humidity and the droplets evaporate leaving a blank line. The more common cause is the freezing. You can observe this happening if you are in the right place at the right time. If you see what appears to be a streak of stuff falling out of these thin clouds in a line, you will be observing the ice crystals falling out of the cloud. Sometimes, the ditrail destabilizes the entire cloud so the whole thing may break up. The hole cloud or donut clouds that have been photographed are formed in this same manner. The oval hole develops because the plane was ascending or descending the through the cloud, so it only affected a small part of the cloud. |
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FLKook
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Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:25 am
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That all sound very reasonable but it doesn't explain why in many of the pics they seem to be in formation. Military flights? |
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canex
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Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:21 am
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The apparent formation flying could be military aircraft, but more likely standard commerical air traffic that flies in "corridors" around the country. If it is a heavy air traffic area, then it could be planes spaced by only a few minutes. |
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defender
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Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:06 pm
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How do you explain the Chem "Grid" photo on the Chuck Shramek website? |
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Goofy Grape
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Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:34 am
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Simple sloution to some of your questions about formation patterns and multiple lines. Happen to have a single-engine and multi-engine commercial instrument license and have many hours flight time. Grid patterns usually occur at VORTAC stations where jet routes cross in the sky. Separation of contrails takes place due to the error in navigation systems (RP due to nav). Parallel lines occur due to the error caused by navigation systems again as aircraft fly along the same jet routes maybe even at different altitudes. GPS is reducing this error and ICAO is mandating smaller tolerances for flight within Europe which US aircraft must either comply with or be banned from European airspace in the near future. More aricraft flying closer horizontally and vertically. Makes TCAS a very nice avionics system to have on board in case a nav system fails.
Canex's response was pretty much clear for even the most casual observers here.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Goofy Grape on 11-19-2001] |
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defender
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Fri Nov 23, 2001 5:12 pm
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Hey, thanks Goofy. I guess there's no need for us to examine the chemtrail phenom anymore?!
You and Canex have pretty much summed it up for us. They're just CONtrails! 
Any fool can see that!
What were we thinking????
[Edited 4 times, lastly by defender on 11-23-2001] |
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