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Thermit
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Flag and Contrail, Not a Sprayer
 Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:28 pm
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Well David Morton, I guess you figured out the Image Database, great!
But, this is not a Sprayer, as you initially titled it. This is just a contrail. Heck, the contrail didn't even persist beyond the other side of the flag pole.
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Location: SW coast of Oregon |
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Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:07 pm
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As in this photo, persistance is what I believe Thermit bases his determination of "spraying" or not spraying on.
Some of us however have seen "emmisions" that do not persist at elevations, humidities, and air temperatures that would not produce contrails.
So I am not fully sold that all short persistant trails are contrails. I have also witnessed short persistance trails that are three wingspans wide. I just call them all trails now... |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:29 pm
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quote:
Some of us however have seen "emmisions" that do not persist at elevations, humidities, and air temperatures that would not produce contrails.
Mark, during my months of research, I never saw trails that seemed at odds with the conditions, except for the military flights that left the highly persistent trail strips. Are these cases you speak of documented anywhere?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 12-12-2001] |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Location: SW coast of Oregon |
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Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:06 pm
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Oh there is that "documented" word again
I am between meetings so I will make this short, on this link
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000909.html
way way down at the bottom of this thread posted 11-15-2001 is the "KERBY CIRCLES PERSISTANCE SERIES" which gives the elevation of the camera,elevation of the hilltop, distance from camera to hilltop, Aproximate temperature at the hilltop, and a series of persistant chemtrails that can be followed for several hours down wind.
Now this was all debunkered out a year ago over at Cliffords, My take was a person could with the given landmarks and elevations ~ project out that the chemtrails would have to be 60 miles in the distance to be at 35000 feet in elevation (where contrails can form) BUT obviousely these trails are not 60 miles away...
I have a few other "non documentable" things i can chase down when i get all these meetings over with~it has been a very busy week.
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3T3L1
Joined: 08 Mar 2001
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Location: Lubbock, Texas |
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Thu Dec 13, 2001 10:00 pm
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Here's the location of another discussion of the Kerby Circles. If those circles were at standard contrail-forming altitude, my calculations put them at 38 miles distant from the camera. To my amateur eye, those circles look a lot closer than 38 miles away.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000293-2.html
Had mark sky had a SILVA SurveyMaster, or even my homemade clinometer with him on that day, he could have calculated the actual altitude of the circles and then checked the ADDS site to see if the temperature and humidity at that altitude would permit persistent contrail formation. But he did the best he could with what was available. 
[Edited 1 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 12-13-2001] |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Location: SW coast of Oregon |
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Fri Dec 14, 2001 3:10 am
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Thanks for finding that discussion 3T3 L1
here are the original pictures
This photo was taken from a location two miles from the top of the hill in the background.
The top of the hill is 3011 feet. My position with the camera is at 1200’ standing on the Kerby Oregon bridge over the Illinnios River.
Notice the trails are slightly below the elevation of the top of the hill at some points and definitely not at the 35000 foot elevation that the experts say they can form. For these trails to be at 35000 feet elevation, they would have to be 50 to 60 miles in the distance. You can do the math, or you can just believe what your eyes already tell you, these are low elevation (and I might say a bit strange) trails. They should not form in the first place, and should not grow and persist either.
This is in the middle of a warm spell in May of 1999, I can tell you the temperature on top of this hill is in the 70’s.
This photo of the same trails was taken a half-hour later and 20 miles down wind.
The trails are spreading and not dissipating.
This photo of the same trails {right side circle of original shot} was taken 50 miles down wind and one and a half hours after they were sprayed. I know I have never witnessed so many unusual trails as I have in the last 2 years. I have worked outdoors my whole life, and often check the sky so I don’t get caught by the weather (I live where we normally get 70-100 inches of rain)
Just got out of one hell of a long meeting
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