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Spikey
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World Domination
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Why do conspiracy theories always have world domination as the end result? What would it mean if one person ruled the world?
That one person would have to have at least a few helpers to help organise his rule, those helpers would then need a trusted ruler for each country working below them. Each countries ruler would need councils running each city which would in turn employ a 'police' type force to control the citizens.
What a minute, that is exactly the same as now, without the one person at the top!!!!
Also why do some of you believe the government wants to track every citizen's movements? Tracking 6 billion people waking up, eating breakfast, driving to work, working, driving home, eating dinner and then watching the TV before sleep - WOW what a scary thought! 
"Mr World President, we have a problem"
"Yes what is it?"
"Mr and Mrs Smith of 76 Something Avenue, DID not watch TV for 2 hours like they have done for the last 3 years"
"Send round the troops to re-program them"
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"At his trail after the Second World War, Hitler’s Minister for Armaments, Albert Speer, delivered a long speech in which, with remarkable acuteness, he described the Nazi tyranny and analysed its methods. “Hitler’s dictatorship”, he said, “differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. It was the first dictatorship in the present period of modern technical development, a dictatorship which made complete use of all technical means for the domination of its country. Through technical devices like the radio and the load-speaker, eighty million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man. … Earlier dictators needed highly qualified assistants even at the lowest level - men who could think and act independently. The totalitarian system in the period of modern technical development can dispense with such men; thanks to modern methods of communication, it is possible to mechanize the lower leadership. As a result of this there has arisen the new type of the uncritical recipient of orders.”" (Huxley, 1959, p. 61)
Huxley, A. (1959). Brave New World Revisited. London: Chatto & Windus Ltd. |
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mr. jones
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:22 pm
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quote:
Also why do some of you believe the government wants to track every citizen's movements
the same reason we have police brutality?
Actually the questions your asking are basically just the things we see externally.
The real reasons will probably never be known, but may have to do with a totally depraved mind.
These individuals at the top do not have any type of remorse.
So trying to indentify with their way of thinking will be very difficult, unless you are a very sick mental case.
which of course you're not, you wouldn't be in here, you would probably be doing something depraved and sick.
trying to find out what goes on in the minds of these men is like trying to find out what goes on in the minds of seral killers.
Not an easy task at all, but worth a shot none the less.
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:56 pm
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Fair point there Mr Jones. In the UK after 9-11 our home secretary was so obsessed with personal ID cards that he used every excuse to try and get them in place. Such as terrorism wouldn't happen if we are forced to carry ID cards - really!
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:04 pm
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quote:
ID cards that he used every excuse to try and get them in place. Such as terrorism wouldn't happen if we are forced to carry ID cards - really!
they're trying to do the same here in america.
Wellcome to the club!
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| God's plan is pre-destine and it includes global domination.
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I believe that when God created the universe, His overall plan for our future was pre-destined. The plan includes world domination by the forces of evil, with a couple of powerful and despicable individuals in a leadership role. Deception, mind-control, and coercion will be necessary to subvert the freewill of all individuals. Noone would volunteer to serve the devil, especially if they knew their soul (and conscious awareness) would be tormented forever after they die. The concept of hell and the idea that an all loving God could have wrath is beyond the grasp of most people. God's pending wrath will be justice, not hatred or cruelity. His wrath is necessary to purge every speck of evil out of heaven, before He slams the gate shut behind Satan. The obvious question is: If God's plan includes unwitting subservience to the devil, who then gets to go to heaven? The answer is: We're going to find out the hard way. Believe in Jesus. Do not sin. Everyone you love will die at least once. The bad ones will die a second death that is worse than death...eternity in hell. |
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Spikey
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:28 am
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| Re: God's plan is pre-destine and it includes global dominat
Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:59 am
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Originally posted by Redeemerson
God's pending wrath will be justice, not hatred or cruelity.
So far for the forgiving and loving god of christianity LOL |
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:22 am
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Redeemerson
Can you answer a few questions about religion that I have never been able to understand...
1. If God is perfect, why did the garden of Eden go so wrong so quickly? Why did he create a lying talking snake? Or why did he make the forbidden fruit in the first place? Surely thats just playing around with people.
2. The teachings of the bible warns of following false Gods (such as the devil) how do you that churches and priests are not spreading the word of the devil?
3. In the book of Revelations, do you personally believe the first few seals have already been opened, say GW Bush is the Anti-christ? If so, then surely Hitler would have been a better anti-christ but judgement day never happened after the second world war. Does that mean man can fight the anti-christ?
All the above is not meant to mock religion but designed to get a good debate going. If one is to read the entire Bible, then God is not a loving God as indicated by people of today, but He is a very angry and unforgiven God if you just refuse to believe He exists - a bit like a spoilt child. |
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1. If God is perfect, why did the garden of Eden go so wrong so quickly? Why did he create a lying talking snake? Or why did he make the forbidden fruit in the first place? Surely thats just playing around with people.
1. it is because of His Perfection, that he allowed man freewill in the garden.
He warned man that he would die if he did not obey, but left him a choice. The forbidden fruit is symbolic of knowledge of good and evil. What kind of trial would it be if it were not fair and balanced, He for-knew man would fall from Grace, an provided him a path back Home to Him, through The Christ... The "lying snake" as you have put it, represents that which you do not yet realize as reality "the opposition". And just because you don't yet believe in God or His enemy, "Satan", doesn't mean they don't believe in you.....
It is a good thing that you question these idea's, and I challenge you to do some research in these areas, as you have challenged other's to to more research on contrails. You deffinitely don't want to be caught the fool, if indeed God is reality... eh?
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Spikey
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:25 pm
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But why if He created everything, why did he create good and evil? Is the devil another creator?
It seems strange that He creates man with free will but then punishes that free will. Now I choose not to believe in God (using my free will as created by Him if he does exist) why should i be punished?
Also why are there no talking snakes anymore? The snakes punishment was to wiggle on its belly forever more but it could still talk.
According to Genosis, Adam and Eve had only sons but page 2 says they each took a wife. Who were these wives? Were they created by another creator? I really hope they were not their sisters, if so, no wonder there are so many problems in the world.
I do have a day job but I also have holidays |
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:53 pm
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there are two ways to read the bible , symbolically and literally.
this was done so the ignorant would not be able to alter the messages hidden therein (search and you shall find).
the basic problem facing our western world is that our educational system is 100% subjective.
therefore people do not know anything about that which is "real", that which does not belong to the realm of "time".
adam and eve are plural nouns, we descended from the fourth dimension into the third through millions of years time and currently we are at our densest, most heavy point in the physical matrix.
try and explain to a person who has lived all their life underwater what it is like living above water, able to "fly", and you get an idea of what dimensions are all about.
The etheric world, the "subtle" world is our home base, from there we incarnate into the worlds of time and space to learn about, forgiveness, empathy, tolerance and sharing.
Which in the subtle worlds is next to impossible because since our bodies are not "physical" pain does not exist, and therefore learning has to do with feeling pain when we realize we have done something wrong.
the concept of god can not be assimilated in the capacity of our third diimensional logic.
Why? because the creator is far beyond the worlds of time and space, hence he sends his "son" to teach us the "way".
And what do we do? we assasinate him.
Why? because we have given in to our weaknesses "sensual desire".
The "ego" is the antichrist.
in the ancient days they called people who had animalistic tendencies (predatory) children of the beast.
The concept of the beast is a battle in ourselves between love and hate.
they shall have a mark on their forehead (symbolical for the concept of love and hate, the psychology which we must organize in order to cease being rational animals)
man is a rational animal has not awakened consciousness.
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:53 pm
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[quote="Spikey"]I think that last post was meant for another forum! :D[/quote]
ROFL! Not at all. "You boys could use some churchin' up." :)
I appreciate your subsequent questions, and I think the world will be better place once everyone understands and accepts the reality of Jesus Christ. It's not a con job. You have absolutely nothing to lose, and everything to gain. It's not about social/political control, or how the money gets passed around. The devil is trying to steal everyone's soul away from God, simply out of spite. The stakes are dire, and the war can only be fought with words. I'm going to address your questions, it may take me a little while. |
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[quote="Spikey"]Redeemerson
Can you answer a few questions about religion that I have never been able to understand...
1. If God is perfect, why did the garden of Eden go so wrong so quickly?
I think that heaven will be perfect, once God's plan is complete. At the present time, evil still exists, and Satan has a relationship with God that is deteriorating. Time Frames become muddled, past and present verb tenses don't adequately describe the true nature of the conflict between God and the devil. The Bible states that in God's celestial time, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Bible also indicates that foreknowledge, the prediction of future events, is a reality. Somehow this information transcends our pre-conceived notion of linear time. Not only does it get back to the past, but the future events it describes are locked into a timeline that cannot be altered. Does this indicate that humans are really walking meat puppets, living out a scripted role like Billy Pilgrim in 'Slaughterhouse Five'? Is freewill a dellusion? All I can say is that freewill vs. predestination is a paradox, not a dichotomy. If God created some people with the sole intent of throwing them into eternal torment, then He would not be a benevolent God of love. Freewill was given to us, so that we can pledge our loyality to God during his conflict with Satan. If we have some 'problem' accepting God's plan on His terms, then He doesn't really need us for anything. The only 'imperfection' in God's plan is Satan's unwillingness to accept that he is not God, or as powerful as God. The blemish is inherent to Satan, not God. It is the source of all evil as we know it, and it has a resolution in a future (that's already happened, but not been played out on Earth yet). I'll share my opinions about Time Frame Distortion, Hyperspace Events, and just how powerful the devil really is later. In country speak; that rascal needs to be corralled.
I don't honestly know if the garden of Eden was a literal, real world location. It may be something God wants us to believe, because we don't, or should not, have the capabilty to understand how the physical universe is actually manifest. Modern physics is treading on God, but don't worry, He'll prevail.
Satan's appearance as a snake in the garden may be allegory (metaphor), or one of the many physically manifestions he can actually wear.
The Bible does not explain much about the origin of Satan, but apparently he was not supposed to go bad. Reality is shaped by this occurrence. Originally named Lucifer, his function was to worship God (I think with music) and supervise the lesser angels.
The forbidden fruit. I used to have a problem with the idea; We're duped, and now we must be punished? I didn't do it. What's up with that? God's answer to me is basicly, hush up and tow the line. The cavalry is coming.
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:00 am
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[quote="Redeemerson"] quote:
Originally posted by Spikey
Redeemerson
Can you answer a few questions about religion that I have never been able to understand...
1. If God is perfect, why did the garden of Eden go so wrong so quickly?
I think that heaven will be perfect, once God's plan is complete. At the present time, evil still exists, and Satan has a relationship with God that is deteriorating. Time Frames become muddled, past and present verb tenses don't adequately describe the true nature of the conflict between God and the devil. The Bible states that in God's celestial time, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Bible also indicates that foreknowledge, the prediction of future events, is a reality. Somehow this information transcends our pre-conceived notion of linear time. Not only does it get back to the past, but the future events it describes are locked into a timeline that cannot be altered. Does this indicate that humans are really walking meat puppets, living out a scripted role like Billy Pilgrim in 'Slaughterhouse Five'? Is freewill a dellusion? All I can say is that freewill vs. predestination is a paradox, not a dichotomy. If God created some people with the sole intent of throwing them into eternal torment, then He would not be a benevolent God of love. Freewill was given to us, so that we can pledge our loyality to God during his conflict with Satan. If we have some 'problem' accepting God's plan on His terms, then He doesn't really need us for anything. The only 'imperfection' in God's plan is Satan's unwillingness to accept that he is not God, or as powerful as God. The blemish is inherent to Satan, not God. It is the source of all evil as we know it, and it has a resolution in a future (that's already happened, but not been played out on Earth yet). I'll share my opinions about Time Frame Distortion, Hyperspace Events, and just how powerful the devil really is later. In country speak; that rascal needs to be corralled.
I don't honestly know if the garden of Eden was a literal, real world location. It may be something God wants us to believe, because we don't, or should not, have the capabilty to understand how the physical universe is actually manifest. Modern physics is treading on God, but don't worry, He'll prevail.
Mmmm is it me, or did you not answer the question at all? Seems like you are talking round it without coming to a point |
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