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Tower
Joined: 06 Mar 2002
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Check out the Comcast site, quick, before it changes...
 Wed Mar 06, 2002 10:18 pm
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http://www.comcast.net/comcast.html
Heh, if that's a B-52 bomber, then i have them streaking all across my sky right now. Going straight up, straight down, performing generally abnormal manuevers. Which i see nearly everyday, but that supposed B-52 bomber looks exactly like a chemcraft. Well, i'd say it is, and doubt it is even a B-52 bomber at all.
Edit - Yeah, it changed. Here's a screenshot...
http://iamtower.homestead.com/files/chembomber.bmp
Sorry for the .bmp format, i can't convert it.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Tower on 03-06-2002] |
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FLKook
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:02 am
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Hi Tower, welcome. I went to the link you posted but couldn't find any plane pics or anything. Could you be more specific or grab the image you are referring to and post it here? Thanks.
BTW, what part of the country or world are you from? |
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FLKook
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:06 am
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Also if you do a search and look through our image data base here you will see some C135 tankers along with a few other types of planes. Do any of these look familiar?
Are your planes low enough to identify or are you using some sort of lens? Sorry, for all the questions just real curious because I know the planes, I'm seeing cause the sky muck are not commercial airliners. (at least most of them) |
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Tower
Joined: 06 Mar 2002
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:09 am
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Luckily, i took a screenshot. I'll upload it ASAP...
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Tower
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:22 am
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Done. I edited it into the first post. |
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FLKook
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 12:50 am
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I grabbed just the pic from what you had, enlarged it a bit and tried to sharpen it. I don't know how you could tell what kind of plane this is. Anyone out there with aviation experience (do you have Tower?), Maverick? Duncan? help us get an idea of how to ID this positively. Guess we just take their word that it is B52.
Tower, how would you know if this was the kind of plane you are seeing in your sky or not? BTW, where are you from?
My apologies to Thermit for eating up bandwidth and server space today with images. I did my best to shrink file sizes. Just giving the public what they want...your humble image editor. I'll make it up by cleaning the database up some more later this week. There are a few images there that are quite redundant.
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Tower
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 1:03 am
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How do i know? Well, for one, follow the trail. It was going straight down in the sky until it curved, which is what i see in the sky all the time. I have seen no other crafts act like this. They aren't normal craft, they seem to just fly around aimlessly in and out of 'clouds'(!) and leave chemtrails. They often leave a dissapating trail as well, but they still just aren't normal.
I am from PA. |
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FLKook
Joined: 28 Apr 2001
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 3:29 am
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I've got family near E. Stroudsburg. It's beautiful up there. Good to see someone here from PA.
Yeah, I know about how some of these spray planes couldn't be anything near commercial planes! The passengers would be puking their guts up with some of those moves.
What I was wondering was more like specifics of the model of planes. Like the different military tankers and such. Sometimes people on this board are very educated in various areas so I was wondering if you happend to be especially knowledgable in aircraft type.
I'm in broadcasting and marketing and hopelessly unscientific at times.
Hope you stick around, Tower. Don't forget to post your PA reports on the "Post your CT reports here thread". If you can add any type of weather conditions or atmospheric conditions that would be nice too. We're all (those of us that are convinced there is a spray program that is) are trying to figure out any patterns on spray days. Also, if it appears that they target certain areas at certain times.
It's not very scientific but hopefully something will stand out. It is a good place to post reports in a constructive way. Pretty much everyone on that thread are real supportive of each other without the debunkers getting nasty trying to call us crazy and all.
There is a lot of info at this web site to absorb, so pace yourself. I'm the image editor here so if you have any pics you've taken of your area I can help you get them posted. |
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Duncan Kunz
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 5:20 pm
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Dear FLKook:
There's no way anyone can look at the picture and tell what kind of aircraft it is; there simply isn't enough detail. As a matter of fact, I can't even tell if the contrail comes from two engines or four.
Here are some reasons why it is probably a Boeing B-52.
- The caption says it is. I can't see any reason why the military would lie about such things; if it's a Bone or an F-15 trying to 'hide' as a B-52, what difference would it make?
- The B-52 is the bomber of choice in Afghanistan; it has the range, the platform stability, and the size to carry just about any type of ordnance in the military's inventory. Outside of special considerations (such as the AH-64A and AH-1W attack helicopters used in ground support and the Predator with its used-to-be-secret-but-isn't-anymore payload of HELLFIRE missiles), most air attacks are from miles high, and the B-52 'BUFF' is the most cost-effective way the Air Force has of delivering the ordnance.
Bear in mind that the ground is between 8000 and 12000 feet, and it is still winter in eastern Afghanistan. This means that atmospheric conditions at ten thousand feet above ground level might be amenable to normal contrail formation (or they might not).
Mr. Tower, although it often looks like an aircraft is traveling "straight up" or "straight down", that is usually an optical illusion. As an airplane travels from the zenith to the horizon, it will subtend a different angle to our eyes and will look as it is ascending or descending -- especialy if it travelling directly away or towards the observer on the ground. Very few aircraft can climb vertically, typically, they are fighter aircraft with a very high thrust-to-weight ratio (and even then, it usually requires afterburner to perform the climb). Something as big and old as the B-52 cannot climb straight up any more than a Boeing 737 can.
Notice that, in the picture, as the contrail from the Afghanistan aircraft goes "down" it seems to convert from twin contrails to a single one. This is further evidence that whe apparent descent is really a result of the aircraft turning and displaying a different aspect to the photographer on the ground. Remember that the B-52's claim to fame is its remarkable platform stability; it works best when the aircraft is in level flight. Even precision guided bombs benefit from a flat platform trajectory.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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FLKook
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Thu Mar 07, 2002 7:45 pm
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Thank you for the response Duncan. Is the B52 ever used as a tanker? Sorry, for my ignorance.
Regardless of the aircraft type, I still believe some of the maneauvers I've witnessed...if you pardon the expression "wouldn't fly" with the passengers of an airliner without a great deal of complaint. |
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