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 Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:16 pm
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BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
By Elaine Jarvik
Deseret Morning News
Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante.
"We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad."
Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others.
They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known.
The group's Web site (www.ST911.org) includes an updated version of Jones's paper about the collapse of the Twin Towers and a paper by Fetzer that looks at conspiracy theories. The government's version of the events of 9/11 that the plane's hijackers were tied to Osama bin Laden is its own conspiracy theory, says Fetzer, who has studied the John F. Kennedy assassination since 1992.
"Did the Bush administration know in advance about the impending attacks that occurred on 9/11, and allow these to happen, to provoke pre-planned wars against Afghanistan and Iraq? These questions demand immediate answers," charges a paper written collectively by Scholars for 9/11 Truth. The group plans to write more papers, and present lectures and conferences.
"We have very limited resources and no subpoena powers," Fetzer said. "What you have is a bunch of serious scholars taking a look at this and discovering it didn't add up. We don't have a political ax to grind."
Fetzer has doctorates in the history and philosophy of science. "One of the roles I can play here," he said, "is to explain why a certain line of argument is correct or not."
In his original message to potential members last month, Fetzer warned that joining the group might make them the subject of government surveillance and might get them on various lists of "potential terrorists."
The group's charges include:
Members of the Bush administration knew in advance that the 9/11 attacks would happen but did nothing to stop them.
No Air Force or Air National Guard jets were sent to "scramble" the hijacked planes, which were clearly deviating from their flight plans, although jet fighters had been deployed for scramblings 67 times in the year prior to 9/11. The procedure for issuing orders for scrambling was changed in June 2001, requiring that approval could only come from the Secretary of Defense, but Donald Rumsfeld was not alerted soon enough on 9/11, according to Scholars group.
The video of Osama bin Laden found by American troops in Afghanistan in December 2001, in which bin Laden says he orchestrated the attacks, is not bin Laden. The Scholars for 9/11 Truth compared the video with a photo of the "real" bin Laden and argue that there are discrepancies in the ratio of nose-length to nose-width, as well as distance from tip-of-nose to ear lobe.
The Scholars group hopes that media outlets around the world will ask experts in their areas to examine the group's findings and assertions. If this were done, they argue, "one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world."
The group also asks for an investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, following up on points made in Jones's paper, "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" That paper, recently updated, has been posted on Jones's BYU Web site since last November.
Jones argues that the WTC buildings did not collapse due to impact or fires caused by the jets hitting the towers but collapsed as a result of pre-positioned "cutter charges." Proof, he says, includes:
Molten metal was found in the subbasements of WTC sites weeks after 9/11; the melting point of structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800 degrees. Molten metal was also found in the building known as WTC7, although no plane had struck it. Jones's paper also includes a photo of a slag of the metal being extracted from ground zero. The slag, Jones argues, could not be aluminum from the planes because in photographs the metal was salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approximately 1,550 to 1,900 degrees F) "well above the melting temperatures of lead and aluminum," which would be a liquid at that temperature.
Building WTC7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds, which means, Jones says, that the steel and concrete support had to be simply knocked out of the way. "Explosive demolitions are like that," he said. "It doesn't fit the model of the fire-induced pancake collapse."
No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires. Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says.
Jones points to a recent article in the journal New Civil Engineering that says WTC disaster investigators at NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology) "are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers."
Neither Jones nor other members of the Scholars group suggests who would have planted the explosives, but they argue that the devices could have been operated by remote control.
Jones says he has received thousands of e-mails from people around the world who either support his ideas or think he's "nutty," and he still gets about 30 e-mails a day on the topic.
He continues to do research on cold fusion, which he prefers to call metal-catalyzed fusion "to distinguish it from the claims" of former University of Utah chemistry professors B. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishmann, "which we do not accept as verified." He reports that his metal-catalyzed fusion work is going well, with three scientific papers published last year.
Jones will present a talk entitled "9/11 Revisited: Scientific and Ethical Questions" at Utah Valley State College at 7 p.m. on Wednesday, Feb. 1. |
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newtonnjd
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Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:24 pm
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Excellent indeed.
I have written to Jim and Steve about contributing in terms of the collapse simulation I've been trying to write, and Jim replied pretty quickly asking if I'd like to be an Associate Member. I like the idea of being a member, but also not sure if I'm comfortable with my name being made public. |
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soulcore
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Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:07 pm
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Godamn it's about time.
I try everyday to let one more person know a glimpse of the truth that happened that day. Like long ago in my hometown of Dallas, we, the American People, were subjected to a well orchestrated and highly treasonous psy-op/false-flag operation.
The truth needs to be known.
Repeated, specific Warnings prior to 9/11
Lack of Evidence at Pentagon/Missing Security Tapes
Freefall collapse of WTC 1 & 2
Demolition of WTC 7
Suspect Cell phone calls (the ONLY evidence of any kind of hijacking)
Reports of secondary explosions in the WTC basements
Witness reports of finding the black boxes in WTC 1 & 2
Questionable physics of fire causing steel frame building collapse when building could have sustained multiple hits from a fully loaded 707
The list goes on and on
I would be proud to have my name as a member and contributor. Wonder if they need any artists? 
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Bhang
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Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:55 pm
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There is TOO much evidence to ignore!
IT"S TIME TO WAKE UP AMERIKA!!! FIVE f@#$% YEARS AGO!
Why is it when I approach the FBI with a FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT on files and video surrounding the events in New York on September 11th, 2001, that they are only willing to comply if I hand over $15,000?!? WTF over?
We are THE PEOPLE. If we do not expose this Comunistic-Soci-Fasict element within the "United" States then all our brethren who fought agaisnt the British Crown was for naught. Do you got the balls (or ovaries) to challenge your city hall? Naw... you are just gonna post online and call yourself patriots right?
Get the f*** outta my sight.
The time to stand is now. s!@#, the time to SIT is now! (sit ins). GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING TO SAVE YOUR HOMELAND!!!!
Post flyers - burn a bunch of ALex Jones CD's and pass them out in your neighborhood for FREE! - Go to city hall and tell 'em you hate the patriot act and ask what you can do to change things...
Everyone thinks because they post online that they are doing something. Yeah maybe two persons out of one hundred read your s!@# and think that something MORE is happening than what 666, I mean FOX is telling them - so what?
Make your signs and sit out on a freeway. Get a group and go protest in your capital. We keep telling people to wake up - well that is not enough. GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS and "ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY".
Props to Stallion4 and his super 9/11 forum code found at: http://www.wachadoo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46&sid=d74b87dced0d1dd176bd90d7da601db5
and...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread8820.html
quote:
Put me in a room with these NWO f@#$% and I promise they will never think of the world in the same way again - Bhang
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newtonnjd
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Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:52 pm
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Well, I've not yet gone to the local city hall, but I am now an Associate Member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and am in contact with Professor Steven Jones. |
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Bhang
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Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:46 pm
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newtonnjd, please do not think I was directing my rant at you. It was for everyone! I'm just so tired of talk. We all talk about our country going down the drain, we warn of bad things comming, we see with "illuminated" eyes but as the world comes crashing down around us, it seems people just talk about how bad it is.
5 years later and and not one single show on telivison asking real questions about 9/11. Where are the self made millionares who have the power and money to make these things happen? I know the media has a great whitewashing program but can't we get some alternative news cast on the air? They are PUBLIC AIRWAVES after all...
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tranz
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Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:58 pm
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That is not entirely true.. There have been a few hours on CSPAN, from the likes of David Griffen and such.. But obviously they are few and far between, and not even close to the amout of coverage we need. |
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Bhang
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Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:03 am
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Watered down shows - just like Mikey Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" (title ripped off from Ray Bradbury's 'Fahrenheit 451') looks and sounds good but when thought over critically it is still wanting...
Where are shows that address things like the following?
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Chemfobic
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:01 pm
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Very good site they have.. the other day it did not work (yet?).. now it does it seems: http://www.st911.org/
Looks not that chaotic and so. like some other good 9/11 sites.
Simple, good, hard, solid evidence. great!
like what they wrote above on the site: Why doubt 9/11? |
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visual ray wizard
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| I found this site on the net and it gives a comprehensive
Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:41 am
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over view as to who what why things are happening as they are. Quite ILLUMINATING if you catch my drift. This is only the beginning of far worse things to come unfortunately. I applaud all of you that are standing up and making a difference. History will smile upon you all...
Here is the link
http://www.toodumbtobepresident.com/
By the way the real Osama stated he had nothing to do with Sept 11 but that if you wanted to find out who was responsible we would have to look from within....HUMMMMMMM
Will the REAL OSAMA please stand up please stand up!!!!!
Here is a quote from Usama release shortly after 911 but it got spiked in the corrupt corporate controlled media. It is extraordinarily different from the faked cia video of the fake Usama.
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
October 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001. In this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the US:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.
" Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.
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visual ray wizard
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| Now let's take a moment and look who was in negotiations
Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:49 am
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with the Taliban right up to Aug 2001.
DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ENRON TALIBAN CHENEY.
SOMEBODY WANTED TO LAY SOME PIPE THRU AFGHANISTAN AND TOLD THE TALIBAN THAT THEY EITHER "SIGN THE DEAL AND RECEIVE A CARPET PAVED WITH GOLD OR NOT SIGN THE DEAL AND RECEIVE A CARPET PAVED WITH BOMBS"
This statement proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that a military option was already on the table if the Taliban did not play ball.
It is the enron of all conspiracies....
Check out Enronistan folks
http://toodumbtobepresident.com/ENRON_TALIBAN.html
The enquirer office in Florida got anthraxed for leaking this story. For that matter Congress got anthraxed into signing the unPatriot Act without even being able to fully read it. MY GOD WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE USA?
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Jove
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:53 pm
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Nuclear weapons, 9/11, war, al qaeda, illuminati, what a great big mess we talk about but can do nothing about. All our problems could be solved with a few generations of philisophical and linear education.
oh yes it isnt and oh yes why, whatever man, I just want to make my position clear, (i think a few are similar). I want to live and learn, and see things as they are, but I wont try to change any of these evils that distort and control. Its to soon, and too dificult. A few more decades (or centuries)... evolution is now fully focused on the mind and people are begining to see things clearer.
I do enjoy talking about it though. Dont you?
Btw, my point was just my position
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mr. jones
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:16 am
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Personally i believe world war three is in full swing and most of the world is being sent straight to the gas chamber (chemtrails).
Chemtrails is the main issue right now evrything else pales in comparison.
All our energy (what is left of it) must be spent to stop chmetrails by all intelligent means possible.
The chemicals, particles, fibers, etc, ect. being sprayed will slowly but surely turn everyone h.i.v positive.
Chemtrails destroy your immune system, that is the main goal of the enemy.
Once your immune system is destroyed it's only a matter of time before you collapse.
Chemtrails are designed to destroy the capacity of the body to create living energy thereby turning people into zombies.
Society is being turned into an army of zombies and chemtrails are it.
Chemtrails are here to stay, our survival as a species depends on our ability to defeat them. |
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