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defender
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Non-consensual Human Experimentation
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If chemtrails are a form of non-consensual human experimentation, it wouldn't be the first time;
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/humanExperimentation.html
A history of secret human experimentation;
http://www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html
...a partial list;
1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.
1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.
1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.
1953 Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.
1953 CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.
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sedona
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Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:44 am
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Chemtrails and everything else going on upstairs.. is, as a totality, the largest non-consensual experiment yet perpetrated on human beings. And this time, using humans as guniea pigs isn't satisfying the madmen's lust for what they imagine to be limitless power and control. No, they won't be satisfied now until they explode the troposphere accidentally. "Oh sorry, we didn't mean it." But there will be no one to record the famous last words of another idiotic testosterone-poisoned half-sentient species biting the cosmic dust. |
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Norrin Radd
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Sat Feb 10, 2001 8:40 pm
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Good post defender!
Did you know that one person died from the 1950 experiment in San Francisco. The grandson of the man who died took the Federal Government to court, but unfortunatly he lost the case. It was first reported December 20, 1976 in the San Francisco paper.
A great documentary can be found on this subgect at the history channel titled, "Decalssified Human Experimentation."
The documentary also covers some of the radiation experiments, including 18 veterans who were injected with plutoniium without their knowledge and two other experiments.
One was the relesing of spores in the NY Subway.
The other was the spraying of Minneapolis. At an elementary school in Minneapolis the Military used a fluorescent light to check the children. The Army denied this until one brave woman got enough statements from her x-classmates to pressure the Army into admitting that they did this.
I highly recomend buying this video.
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defender
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Fri Feb 16, 2001 6:01 pm
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No, Brent, I haven't seen what you just posted. Seems like I or we just find these incidents in bits and pieces, as NSAS has observed. Seems we have to since we're not likely to see any of this in a mainstream media 'expose'?
I just saw this post at another website from someone named Priscilla, thought I'd post it here;
The most irritating, damnable aspect of this goverment spraying is that the spraying is done openly, then denied-------the Administration is openly contemptuous----THE ADMINISTRATION IS OPENLY INSULTING US----THE ADMINISTRATION IS OPENLY KICKING SAND IN OUR FACE----THE ADMINISTRATION IS OPENLY TURNING US OUT-----IS THERE ANYTHING MORE INSULTING THAN TO BE TOLD YOU DON'T MATTER?----YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE STATUS THAN A FLEA----YOU ARE NOTHING---now the question we must ask ourselves is this: DOES THIS GOVERNMENT BELONG TO THE GOVERNING ARROGANT ELITES OR DOES IT BELONG TO US, ie WE, THE PEOPLE? -------I think we know the answer----next question is what are we going to do about it? ---first of all, in the next election, we vote the incumbants out-----next, we demand of the representatives what ST has opined in previous message-----FIRST, THE TRUTH!!!!-----(contrary to some opinion expressed on this site, all is not lost----we still have the power-----and given the will to use it, we will prevail)
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Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:28 pm
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They can poison and prison my body
But I own my spirit
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defender
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Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:52 pm
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Hi CQ,
Good to see you back again!
(nice applet!)
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defender
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Fri Apr 13, 2001 4:38 pm
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Thermit,
Thought I'd bring this back for any of the new members who may not have seen it. |
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Delphi
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Sun Apr 15, 2001 5:21 am
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Defender and Brent, Glad to see that info put up some more. Amazingly, there are still folks that don't know about all that experimentation so it is an excellent post and helps inform people and can maybe help them realize that indeed, there just could be something harmful about those trails! Hey Brent, Howzit? What happened to Newsmax forum? Was gone last nite. Hi Cy, I like what you said...it is true, the spirit is the most important thing! (And "spirited" people can be fun)! The human spirit is a hard thing to kill, some MIA's that have finally returned can attest to that. Our Native American brothers have always realized that and some of the "New Age" folks as well...not talking the "dark-side" stuff but the angel stuff, and the inner-self and such. Blessings all, Joanne |
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cydoniaquest
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Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:55 am
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I have never formally studied Native American religion, tradition or philosophy. My genetic background is Scottish, and English, yet it amazes me how closely my philosophy has seemed to evolve along the lines ancient beliefs and knowledge passed down by what the Native Americans call the star people.
The same is true of eastern religion. I realize concepts like "the force" or Great Spirit that joins all things were played around with in movies like Star Wars...but I feel there is great truth to them that extends far beyond the imaginations of Speilberg, Lucas and Hollywierd, and we have just forgotten how to listen. I just seemed to have an intuitive understanding of this connectiveness that was rediscovered naturally over my life. But when I was very young I was even closer to it. I think many of us are coming to terms with this spirit. This may sound corny and melodramatic to some, but If you sit and listen to the wind in the pines on a high mountain top, or the babble of a mountain creek...you can hear it speak to you. Truth and knowledge often come in the quiet moments when we remove the noise and open up the mind to hearing it.
As a western culture, I think we have grown so removed from this intuitive understanding of connectiveness with the creator, so caught up in the artificial noise and so far removed from the environment around us that we have come to see nature as dumb inanimate matter removed from the presence of God.....and we have created a world in our own likeness...not His. (I know this may sound like I’m stating the obvious) But if you ever travel through the industrial areas of any major city, you can feel the artificial coldness of this separation we've created for ourselves. If you just listen to what your feelings and emotions tell you about a place, you'll find it speaks volumes. It's as if we don't belong on this planet, somehow...like we originally came from somewhere else as a species.
When you're driving some time, look over into these vast refineries and manufacturing plants, these huge industrial cities unto themselves where nothing grows and the Earth is covered in yards of concrete and metal, and see the miles of tubes, steam and smoke emitting stacks, and chemical tanks bathed in cold sodium light. Ask yourself how closely we've even tried to follow the internal feelings of aesthetics and beuty that nature itself provides. If I were an objective visitor from a different world, I'd say upon first impressions that human society has fallen far short of spiritual growth and have instead chosen to rape everything that was decent, sacred and natural on Earth.
I know I'm sounding like a radical environmentalist here rather than a conservative Republican, and I realize that jobs and energy are incredibly important (especially as a Californian who was very broke at one time). My own profession revolves around the computer......but it just seems to me that we could have designed things in harmony with this planet and the will of God just as easily. For example, I’m hardly a mechanic or automotive engineer, but even I could design the same automobile you own right now to run on corn alcohol and it wouldn’t add an ounce of pollution to the air. Why couldn’t the engineers of our society have created an infrastructure that revolved around nature? Tesla proposed an electrical technology vastly superior to what we have today over a century ago, and it did not require a drop oil or an ounce of coal….but it was ignored and suppressed. Why couldn’t a civilization of humans have just as easily created a society to exist in harmony with nature instead of in discord with it ?
In fact I believe we have (in the past). I subscribe to the theory that many civilizations of mankind have come before and have inevitably grown corrupt, eventually destroying themselves in an endless cycle of destruction and rebirth. Each time this cycle revolves, only distant hints of the collective memories remain, passed down in oral tradition. I believe the pyramids and the myths of Atlantis are physical and verbal remnants of those ancient cultures and technology. I know the Bible talks about the construction of the Egyptian cities and how Moses was instrumental in much of the design, later to have his name stricken from every monument upon discovery that he was originally the son of a Hebrew slave. But what if the pyramids of the Giza plateau were originally built by a far more ancient and advanced culture only to have the Egyptians later move into them as tenants? What if they were originally built by the "star people" whom the Native Americans say are responsible for their own language, and the very same people the ancient Sumarians refer to in their Sanskrit text which was the precursor to Genesis. Point being, that ancient cultures may have had technology far more advanced than the technology of today, yet far more in harmony with the true power of the universe and nature of God. Somewhere along the line, we took the wrong path.
Evidence for this feeling of separation, can be found in what we do to our own people, and the complete separation we seem to have from every thing that is sacred and natural…and this same self-destructive oppressive mindlessness extends to control our own bodies as well….the same mentality that would allow a chemtrail spray program to exist. For instance, now there is a bill currently pending in congress that would attempt to mandate a digital implant in pets. The next step as stated in the literature of the designers of the “Digital Angel” themselves, is to place these implants in our children....and from there who knows, maybe the adults a couple generations from now will accept implants as readily as we accept social security numbers today....so that no man may buy or sell without them.
Then the desecration of the body temple and our Eden here will be complete, and we will destroy ourselves once again, and memories of who we were will all be lost in an atomic fire, and the cycle of death an rebirth will begin anew...
But so long as something in our souls remains connected with the creator, and wild and free...it will never be destroyed.
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defender
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Thu Apr 19, 2001 4:09 am
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I like that angel stuff too Delphi, I remember hearing a story once, an Indian parable; something about a man walking along a path, and on one side, he sees a pit, and the pit is dark and full of sounds and writhing snakes. On the other side of the path is a beautiful plant full of flowers and fruit. I don't recall the parable except that it's like life, we have a choice about which side of the path we want to take.
I've had a tendancy to always look for the snakes. There can be as much fascination with the dark side as there is with the light side. It must be healthier and certainly more fun to see the flowers side, but if we all looked at the light side, the flowers and fruit, who will keep the snakes in the pit? Doesn't someone have to do it?
That's a question that has bothered me for years. Why not just have fun, and make money? It's tempting, but is it right?
I used to work on cases (for about 4 years) involving child abuse, that lead into areas related to child pornography, ritual abuse and organized crime. I reached a point where I couldn't stand it anymore. I compare it to nurses who work in burn units in hospitals. They have a high turn over rate because most people just can't stand to see that much pain.
I think about that sometimes, and I know that you have to have a great deal of faith in a higher power to know there is more to this life than there seems to be. I always believed in God, but after that experience, I really questioned how a god could allow that to happen, how people could be capable of doing the things they did to children. I learned that some evil transcends humanity, or should I say descends humanity? Evil is not just man-made, as I used to think. It's partly supernatural and is far more powerful than any human being.
Without a faith in a higher power, we are really lost. I know I was. I'm still in awe of people who can do that kind of work in preventing child abuse and tracking those animals, and the health care workers who deal with the aftermath and the survivors, like nurses and doctors in burn wards. Thank God I don't have to do it anymore. And thank God there are people who still can.
It also helps to be with people who also believe in a positive higher power and to know that our existence in this life is temporary. I try to believe that the reality is what we find when our time here is through. We are being tested here in many ways, I guess.
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Delphi
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Thu Apr 19, 2001 9:09 am
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Hi Defender, Your post was interesting and you sound like a really good person who knows a lot and has seen a Lot. I am a nurse and I know what you mean about how things can get after ahwile. I used to work on the "Terminals" floor...End stage Cancer, Leukemia and such. It is hard on the "spirit" and emotionally too. I am also an abuse "Survivor" from childhood so I know what you are saying there too. For a long while, I used to "Hope for the best" but "expect the worst" in life but am trying to change that. I have a really "off-beat" and "lively" sense of humor, and that helps a lot. Takes less face muscles to "smile" than it does to "frown"...but I "back-slide" anyhow, at times. If you saw the movie "Sybil", well, won't go there. Anyways, Blessings and take care...It's hard to say "avoid the snake pits" with this chemtrail business going on but this ole world has a way of "healing" itself but as for us, I hope things change and we get "normal" skies back! Joanne |
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Delphi
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Thu Apr 19, 2001 9:13 am
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Defender,"Keep the faith" and "keep on truckin"! Joanne |
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Delphi
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Thu Apr 19, 2001 9:29 am
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P.S. Defender, I guess "keeping the snakes in the pit" is what a lot of us here are trying to do in reference to the chemtrail problem, and I feel it is an EVIL problem, but we can tend to the "pit" and still try to "smell the flowers" along the way...lest our "spirit gets "too low" and drained. Be good to yourself, that helps. "Faithwise," I'm confused...I used to wonder what I did wrong to be punished. Now, I try to be gentle of spirit but not faint of heart. I feel as long as we have a conscience and try to do the best we can in life, that the "God" spirit or whatever one believes in that is positive and good is "inside us". Blessings, Joanne |
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defender
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Thu Apr 19, 2001 6:28 pm
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Thanks Joanne,
I have to remind myself (or have friends remind me) to smell the flowers more often and to remember that I'm not running the show. Also that it's not God that's doing the testing. 
Have a nice day, hope your husband takes you out for dinner tonight. I think he's a lucky guy!
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Delphi
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Fri Apr 20, 2001 8:47 am
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Thanks Defender, You're a sweetie! Blessings and smiles! Joanne |
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