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Bhang
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Can a true Muslim be a true American? It seems not.
 Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:30 am
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The following e-mail was forwarded to me through a long list that starts with: Norman Rupp ndrnomad97@hotmail.com - It is now part of the public record.
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Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider
this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders),who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the greatSatan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression.
Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist.
Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
our heavenly father , nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.
They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it
what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in
agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends.
The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.
Pass it on Fellow Americans......The religious war is bigger than we
know.
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mr. jones
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:07 pm
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Religion is for amateurs, spirituality is for professionals.
It's the honest, hardworking and sincere people that make america great.
The politicians in washington aren't worth a dime.
The same can be said about any other people in the world, religion included.
Who is a real american, can you honestly describe him without making comparisons to the past.
America is a great country but its greatness lies in the people who go out to the fields and factories, who work in the stores, offices and hospitals trying to hold on to something that is called freedom.
Men see appearances god sees hearts.
There is only one true religion "love", it can not be bought or sold.
Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword, it doesn't matter what religion they are.
The people in the arab countries are being mind controlled just as they are anywhere else in the world.
Anybody who uses violence to attain justice will find a shallow grave not far from where he is standing.
I remember growing up in california during the late sixties, it was full of hippies, i love them and they will remain in my heart for as long as i live.
They will remain in my heart for as long as i live for they are the true children of god.
PEACE AND LOVE |
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Kestrel
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:06 pm
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I hate to nitpick Mr. Jones as I agree with most of what you have posted but did it ever occur to you that some of these so called "loving" hippies have evolved into many of the evil, immoral people running the world today. As I'm sure you know, the hippies had evolved into the yuppies which everyone knows is the antithesis of what love is all about. How did our world and this nation become so greedy and self centered if in fact all of these loving hippies truely understood and practiced Love? As far as I'm concerned the hippies are some of the most hypocritical people in the world and are partially responsible for the debacle that we are in today. In theory Love conquers all only if everyone is playing by the same rules. I'm not advocating violence but look what happened in Tibet. Do you think that the Chinese cared about love? If the hippies are the true children of god (not sure which god you mean by this) then we are all in big trouble. After all, the hippies were involved in cults hence the introduction of drug abuse and the experimentation with hallucinogenics. Is it loving to OD on drugs? Many of the songs written in the 60s are full of occultic messages. How does any of this reflect love? |
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mr. jones
Joined: 03 Mar 2006
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:44 pm
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it's understandable that you may feel the way you do, we are witnessing very troubled times.
But when a person changes and becomes something else different than what he was before, then that person ceases to be the previous embodiment.
The hippies i'm talking about dropped out of society and went to live in the northern california mountains, where thay still live today, they are the true hippies.
Hippie lifestyle is impossible in the cities or town, it is a complete connection with nature.
If you decide to change your principles then you are not being true to what you held in the past.
Hippie lifestyle is not a jacket that is worn or taken off at the drop of a hat, true hippie lifestyle is organic and shuns all chemical substances whether they be in your food or anything else for that matter.
I'm not a hippie but i can relate to that lifestyle because i too shun all chemical additives in anything i eat, drink or breathe.
It is one of the reasons why i'm being an activist against chemtrails.
The so called hippies you're talking about are no hippies at all but plain egotistical people who follow fashion trends for sensual pleasure and change habits when the rules are set on the table.
The people that control this world at this present time are no people at all, they are demons wearing suits and badges.
It's easy for anyone to say "yes, i love god", god does not want sacrifices god wants obedience.
Those who preach love with their actions know who god is, those who simply pay lip service are very lost souls.
Like i said beforte you won't see any real hippies in big cities or on t.v.
The yuppies were never hippies, they were people who were and still are superficial and totally plastic.
remember one thing, what we are seeing is the beginning of the end, that's why there is so much injustice becasue the chaff will be seperated from the wheat very, very soon.
You can count the number of years this world has left on your hands and have fingers left over.
There will be a reckoning very soon my friend and both of us will be here to witness tribulation at its finest hour.
Let's just relax and be intelligent so we won't get caught in the crossfire.
Music doesn't hurt people, people do a fine job of doing that to themselves well on their own, with or without music.
Anyone who is influenced by external forces is simply a person that does not have a mind of their own, 99% of society is much like that.
It is the prime reason why it is so easy for egomaniacs to control everything around us.
All in all, we are here for a reason, to learn, because in the other world the only valid currency is the love you shared while you were here.
if you didn't share it here you won't have any there
Our life in this world is a small fragment in the economy of our existence.
We are at the beginning of a long journey which one day will land us in paradise, how soon we get there will depend on what we do right now.
Let's not lose sight of our objective and realize everyone on this planet is here for a particular reason.
PEACE AND LOVE |
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Kestrel
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:13 am
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"Let's just relax and be intelligent ..."
By all means LET's be intelligent, I'll leave the relaxing to you, it's not very effective. Jesus wasn't exactly sipping Martinis and spending idle time on the beach "relaxing" from what I've been told. In fact, that's most likely why we are in the situation we're in because too many people are passive! How does it go... "Idle minds are a devil's workshop."  |
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bud allison
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| AMEN..............
Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:20 pm
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I agree with you Kestrel.GOD BLESS YOU ALL..... |
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bud allison
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| Bhang wow-dee
Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:27 pm
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You'r take on muslims is right on. THANK YOU |
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raze78
Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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| Dumb remarks
Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:18 pm
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It doesn't seem to amze me how ignorance can pervade everything, especially a place like this where people are suppossed to be enlightened. So I'll try to answer some of your claims.
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider
this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
Arabia.
Allah is not a moon God and muslims do not deify objects of Gods creation. Since the moon and the sun and everything else in matter is Gods creatiion, this nullifies your pathetic claim. Another thing, Why do you.... Oh great christian knight... not inform me why you go to church on a SUNday? Do you worship the sun? or is it a continuation of pagan sun worship? Also for the record, Christian arabs use the word Allah. Since its ARABIC and since they are ARABS and since ALLAH in english would mean GOD.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
and the Quran (Koran).
I don't know what you mean by scriptually.... but the muslim script is the Quran and in it is a chapter title Maryam or Mary in which Jesus' life is told and Jesus(May Peace be Upon Him) is a revered prophet of Islam and he will come again and unite us. That is the core belief of muslims. Tell me how that makes us different from. Who is closest to you in belief then? Muslims or Jews? I'm sure you'll go off and give me a conventional answer... then I'd tell you to go read the Torah(the real translation).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.
Mecca is a union of all muslims everywhere. Imagine at every hour, its prayer time on a different latitude. So as muslims of every latitude bow down to pray to God.. its like a soccer match with people doing the wave... except globally., Imagine that. And all that for GOd the almighty, not for nationalistic reasons, nor ethnic. Nationalism is crap anyways. But allegiance to Mecca in what way? DO you think muslims love Saudi Arabia and those f..ked up princes and Kings. Those bloodsuckers? If it weren't for America.. they would have been wiped off a long time ago. Most muslims hate them.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.
Well.. I'll let the Quran answer that one. But also remeber.. that the Quran can not just be read literaly, since many of the thiongs contained refer to exact situations encountered by muslims of the time...eg. sabotage, spies, treason etc.
5:82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (Quran)
I'd answer some of your other questions... bu t I'm guessing you are the kind that would have happily lynched fellas a few centuries back. Your type use conjecture rather than reason and so it would unreasonable for me to pursue answering your dumb claims.
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"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiym zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."
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starman1
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:24 pm
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raze78,
I am glad to know that you are a Muslim... If I am right in my assumption? You seem to have a great understanding of the Muslim Faith, it is something I too am curious to learn about. I was wondering if you thought it would be a good idea, and would be willing to participate in starting a thread in the spirit forum, whereby, we could discuss and share ideas, questions, and knowledge, comparing the Faiths of the Muslims, Christians, and Jews, in a totally peaceful manner, where-in, intolerance, disrespect, antagonistic behavior, would not be allowed from any participants involved.....
I'm not talking about anyone trying to convert anyone else to any other Faith, but arranging an enviroment where an understanding of these Faiths can be achieved...
So many of my Christian friends have absolutely none, or limited background information about the Muslim Faith, and really do want to understand the difference's and similarities, anyway, maybe you could give me some feed back on this idea, let me know what you think.........
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raze78
Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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| Great idea
Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:30 am
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I think that's a great idea dude... Though like the prophet Muhammad(PBUH) predicted in the minor signs of the end of the world: Books will be prevalent, but knowledge will be scarce. I'm afraid, i'm a pseudo scholar of islam. Though I am a muslim, unfortunately I am not a very good one, in that I have neglected many things due to laziness and aparthy. I do however feel that i might be able to contribute in regards to NWO issues and so forth since I have read a lot on the matter from an Islamic POV and I sure wouldn't mind sharing that and cross referencing with what you've got.
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"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiym zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."
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starman1
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:55 am
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quote:
Though I am a muslim, unfortunately I am not a very good one, in that I have neglected many things due to laziness and aparthy.
I must also admit, that my own spiritual awakening has not yet made me the perfect person  Lets go see where this leads  |
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Candace3812
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| Ask a Muslim Scholar - Kevin Barrett
Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:01 am
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google MUJCA - great activist website - Muslims Jews and Christians United. Kevin has been getting a lot of crap lately because of his controversial teachings that don't bode well with the NWO. Go Kevin !! You are the Man ! |
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mr. jones
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Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:35 pm
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men see apperances god sees hearts.
in other words don't let your subjective mind control your heart.
there is a special group in the muslim world, they are called "sufis".
They renounce the world completely and correctly so because the physical world is temporary and has no connection to the impermanent.
that which is beyond time and space, that which is "real".
Take a moment during the day and seek inwards, close the door to the material world.
when you leave this world it will be your connection to reality, the impermanent existence.
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"The whole aim of practical politics is
to keep the populace alarmed, and thus clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of
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Free World Order
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Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:09 am
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We now know (as far as science can prove) the Universe is not infinite but has always been finite which means some day it will have an end. This may also change depending on if you think the big bang is a hoax or not.
Your belief system may not go with this always but in most cases it may.
We are spiritual beings with a physical dwelling. If we are to awaken and become spiritually evolved during out time is another question - look into alternetive dimensions we have several here on Earth look at Chuck Missler's work for info and others who have no religious preference. He does use a lot of science in his teachings whihc always helps.
I am no New Ager or Light Bearer/Luciferian/Illuminated Mason (not into that rubbish) nor am I tied to any specific belief systems. What do you think of the thoeries/science/facts of dimensions and densities. How dull and disabled life would be if all life was in 2D for us. I am sure entities on the 4D plane must think the same about 3D.
Spiritual planes? Dimensions is somethig to look into. Plenty of resources on line, also global awakening and shift of the age is a possible keyword to use. InterDimensional life, beings, etc.
http://www.montalk.net
The picture you see on the screen is an additional projection onto a two-dimensional plane.
4D Rotating Cube....still not fully workable in our Dimension.
http://www.mathematik.com/4DCube/4DCubePovray.html
Are you ready to enter the 4D plane yet???
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Disclaimer: all my posts are thought crimes and only IMO in the police state we all live in...
http://www.europeantruth.co.uk/index1.html UK is history, USA to RESIST?
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mr. jones
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Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:30 am
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As a man thinks , so he is.
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"The whole aim of practical politics is
to keep the populace alarmed, and thus clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of
hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." |
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