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markww
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Chemtrails seen over the SW ?THEORY
 Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:34 pm
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When i was just getting away traveling, IM a Disabled Veteran, and Love to just take off and go someplace. I left Houston last yr to go to LA to disneyland. Well out in Arizona and New Mexico and towards LA from the mountains saw about 1,000 CHEMTRAILS.IM TAKING MY DIGITAL CAMERA NEXT TIME this MARCH TOO......
I also have a theory as to these things, Besides Spraying chemicals.
I feel our Government had some prior Knowledge of Terrorist attacks coming down the piple line, and that many of the flights could have been our active reserves in Kc-135s and B52s and other MIlitary aircraft, SECURING the skies.
Course 2- Could be something more Sinister, as to what people are saying as to Chemical Spraying. Could be like the govt did yrs ago in the water.Now using Skies.??
Mark
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Lulu
Joined: 22 Dec 2000
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Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:10 pm
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Another mark! Welcome aboard the good ship (that's chemmie talk according to Col. Dan Phillips, Deputy Inspector General for NORAD...North American Aerospace Defense Command...BTW Dan thanks for protecting us so well...
Well out in Arizona and New Mexico and towards LA from the mountains saw about 1,000 CHEMTRAILS.
Wow! Yes, please next time bring a camera for documentation mark. The four corners is one sacred energized area that I will get to somehow in my lifetime. Putting the chemtrails aside for a moment, what does the area feel like?
Did the Government have prior knowledge of Sept. 11 terrorist attacks? That's a very good possibility, given the mounds of evidence that has been surfacing.
I believe there is more than one reason for the spraying of chemtrails on a continual basis. No matter how many scenarios I run through my head it always comes back to the same thought...that this aerial disbursement program is not for the common people's good...that the effects of spraying are cumulative, and long-term, that each successive generation will remember less and less of how the world used to be, what color the sky is suppose to be, what real clouds look like, and will in turn be easier and easier to manipulate and control.
Here's another crazy thought...there are in existence Classified Chemtrail Documents. These documents have been assigned to various individuals (ten to twelve) in the military for safekeeping. Each of these individuals holds a piece of the puzzle, not knowing the other pieces, or never glimpsing the whole pie. Only Mr. X can see the total pie. And Mr. X isn't talking. Even if one were able to hack into said military databases, and retrieve said documents, and expose the cover-up to the world, the plan would still continue...at another level. We are all pawns in an ultimate game of chess, orchestrated by a very intelligent but bored chess master...the only escape is to take out the chess master.
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herbivore
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Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:31 pm
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Chemtrails ARE terrorist attacks. If there is something good about them, then why all the stonewalling, accusations and ridicule used against anyone and everyone who sincerely presents evidence about them?
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MollyGainYa
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Mon Feb 18, 2002 3:35 pm
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Yesterday I watched chemjet after chemjet criss-cross the skies over our lake, and it went on ALL DAY LONG for the fourth day in a row. We were visiting friends on the other side of the lake from our house, and we were on a waterfront, hillside lot with a panoramic view of the hills and of a large section of the lake. I saw my first "chembow" straight up in the center of the sky extended between two "chemclouds", a short arc in an upsidedown position from what should have been generated from the angles of the setting sun. When I pointed it out, and when I pointed out all the trails being laid, my friends just looked up and said, "Oh, yeah", and then kept on talking about whatever subject I had interrupted. TOTALLY oblivious to all the smeary crud from one end of the sky to the other! How can people be so blind??? Or so uninterested??? I just don't understand... My husband is the same way, and he always yells at me and says, "I Don't Care! What can I do about it? What can YOU do about it?" BOY that makes me mad! And it's mostly because he's right - what can any of us do about it?? Nuttin' honey.
Those pilots must be cloned. How else can someone go up day after day after day and spray chemicals all over creation?? That's not only inhumane - it's inhuman!!
MollyGainYa with love and sadness
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3T3L1
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Mon Feb 18, 2002 4:04 pm
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Hi, MollyGainYa. Us chemtrail activists are each doing what we can. That's something.
I know you don't have lots of extra money sitting around. But for $10.00 a month, you might consider getting Flight Explorer. With that plus the ADDS flight path tool, you'll learn that many of those planes are just commercial craft doing their thing and making normal contrails. Now that I can figure out which trails are normal and which ones aren't, I feel much less helpless. And I can focus my anti-chemtrail energies better. Just a thought. |
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Hoople
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:57 am
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"What can any of us do about it??? Nuttin Honey."
I know the feeling MollyGainYa. But, as 3T3 says, CT activist are doing something about it and all of us are. Just in our having the awareness enough to look up in the sky overhead and discern that there is an oddity occuring and then originate communication to others about what we are observing and then continuing to do so Does Indeed make a difference. You know, it's like that story that is often used in/on greeting cards. The one where this guy is throwing beached starfish back out to sea and someone comes up and says what's the use there's so many of them that it's not making a difference and the person responds, "It makes a difference to this one." as he tosses it back out to sea. That's what each of us are doing - WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE! When you interrupt someone and direct their attention to the sky and they go, "Ho Hum" to demonstrate their lack of interest, don't take a loss. Realize that you have made a difference. It may not seem like it at the time but, believe me, you have made a difference!
Over the years I have observed that we all have communication lags to greater or lesser degrees ie., you say something or someone says something to you and you typically will give or get an instant social response that may or may not be appropriate. After time has passed, though (how much time can vary greatly from person to person), the actual communication arrives and the honest real answer can be given or received. For example: I work with four guys that are intelligent decent guys. However, their instant individual response to my directing their attention to CTs overhead was a rather loud (body language and verbal), "Ho Hum." I didn't let this disuade me from continuing to point out CTs to them for three months now. Only last week did one of them actually originate to me about all the CTs being sprayed that day and one by one they all suddenly became cognizant of CTs and expressed a troubled curiosity about what they might be spraying. These guys had a three month communication lag in regards to CTs.
You see, CTs are not about belief. CTs are about awareness. It's hard to imagine anyone looking up and seeing what we see and going "Ho Hum". But the truth is that those people have not yet come up the scale of awarness far enough to be able to see what we see. There are so many people that have become so "wooden" in life. We make the mistake of thinking that they are as we but all we are looking at, communicating to and receiving sounds from is a aggregation of programed social responses (circuits). The person, over time has gotten buried beneath this social veneer and it's sometimes really difficult to bust through and reach the person down in there. This universe, though, responds to tenacity directed by one's intention and if you are willing to be tenacious with your intention the universe will eventually do your bidding.
Along this line of thought, I have been pondering a strategy of sorts with regards to the media. Now, I don't think much of the media. They're parasitic in that they feed off the actions and no-actions of the society in which they live. They tend to deify all problems to the point of making the individual feel totally overwhelmed and helpless in making any positive changes. They also continue to busily create a dangerous environment where you feel you can't trust anyone or safely get in communication with anyone. In other words, they dissiminate fear causing people to withdraw and go out of communication (no accident). So we employ agencies to investigate our neighbors, spouses to be, spouses that are,family members, employees, employers, etc. etc. etc. rather than just getting into good communication to develop understandings. So, that's my view on the media in general.
The media, though, can be utilized by us and it has from time to time but more at effect (us) than cause (them).
Here's a media use strategy:
I suppose that we all have, by now, a collection of CT photos taken in the areas where we live and we use those in this plan. It appears that all TV stations have some investigative dept that is touted as being there to help the viewers get justice or answers to their dilemas (One such dept on the a local station in Ft. Smith is called 5 On Your Side). Okay, so what we do is make up a pack including several of our best CT photos, a personal letter of concern (we're concerned citizens) expressing our fears of what these trails may be and a desire to have the station's help in getting some answers. Let them know that we are also sending this pack to every local station in our area. What will really help this is when there are several CT activists in an area and they all do the above. Then expect a communication lag of some length and be willing to persist in asking again and again and again (keep sending new pictures) for help from all the stations that were sent the info pack. When the media responds, and they eventually will, be conservatively concerned/worried and anxiously desiring an answer to what is going on. Tell them up front that you know that they probalby can't help (work this into your initial letter too) but you thought you would try anyway.
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MollyGainYa
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Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:53 pm
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Hi Hoople! I'm sorry it took me so long to respond, but I failed to go back to this thread until today.
I agree with all of your suggestions and the media slant. My problem is that my closest "media" is Austin, and the talking heads in that neck of the woods are fairly "illuminazi-ized" and not open to any opinions of the "un-illuminazi-ized". They more than likely fear for their jobs if they consider televizing anything that would rock the NewWorldOdor's progression. I may sound just as paranoid as they in my response, and at times I am.
I guess my main problem is my "chicken heart". I tend to avoid confrontations that would pose a threat to myself or my family. After my initial posts on this forum, my husband was approached by a man asking all sorts of "military" questions, and the man was able to drive right up to his "off the road" fishing hole. Later we found out from a friend who was in the Army's CID and still involved in law enforcement that the man was a CIA agent from Houston. Thank GOD that I hadn't mentioned to my husband what I was posting about him on here!! He was, therefore, totally unaware of the reason for this targeted approach and questioning, even though he was highly suspicious of the man and his demeanor, and the fact that he saw him "remove his piece" before he got out of his big white w/tinted-windows "gubment" car. So you can see why I have my limitations...and my chicken heart.
Sorry I can't be of too much help...
MollyGainYa, with love and
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Oregon
Joined: 04 Apr 2002
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Thu Apr 04, 2002 8:40 pm
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After seeing, listening and then investigating the events that occurred on 9-11, and then seeing the HUGE fabricated 'story' released by the press it is pretty clear that most folks in america are easily duped.
A masterful pschological operation perpetrated on the American people.
99% of those to whom such questions and inconsistencies are brought either cannot or will not even consider the possibilities.
Possibly a defense mechanism..possibly some other more insidious mind control-prep that the populace has been subjected to via TV, entertainment and the power fo mass-suggestion when the media told people what they 'saw' when that wasn't what they originally saw..
Wouldn't surprise me at all IF the aircraft that struck the twin towers were RC planes..
I have seen NO compelling evidence that there were any terrorists aboard the flights at all.
The cell phone calls reportedly made on the Pa flight by passengers etc could easily have been part of the fabrication.
Has anyone yet seen or heard varifiable transcripts of the recovered black boxes/cockpit recorders?
But that's another issue.
Is it possible that the large aircraft laying down the chemtrails are not being manned by pilots at all, but are being remotely piloted?..
The technology certainly exists..Jim
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KnewEyes
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Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:43 pm
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I am home early from my "vacation". I just pulled 3 suitcases and a large bag 2 miles down a soft dust road, out of the desert I was abandoned in the middle of, by my oh so sane sister. She got mad at me for saying to her that I thought it was inconsiderate of her for giving me trench digging duty in her yard,,, the nurse , who had just told me 2 days before that I should be on strict bed rest for a torn cartillage in my chest.She threw me out of her house in the middle of the night with no flashlight, after the night before, there was a HUGE 4 ft long rattlesnake under her doorway we had to call her neighbor to kill. I am in shock after being treated so inhumanely by my sister who fooled me into thinking we were finally going to "really get along" this time. HA! She is Hitler reincarnated, and I am grateful for the kindness of strangers, and probably alive today because of the same.
Well,on the 6 hr flight home yesterday, I got a good look out that plane window and can say they are definately spraying a reddish black colored crud at sunset. Thats whats making those bruised looking clouds. I got a shot of one real close, and when I drag my broken body out to get the film developed (Oh boy I hope the picture came out!) I will post it. |
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Dan Rockwell
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Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:08 pm
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Too bad you had such a bad trip KnewEyes. Well you didn't miss too much except for an increase in the spraying here. They've been spraying pretty much every day since the 9th and I've seen the reddish black crud in the sky more than once. They usually start spraying just before sunset now so you'll probably see them spraying around 6:00. |
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Jeanie
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 4:06 am
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Dear Kneweyes; Try to wipe that experience with your sister out of your mind and heart. Couldn't help but think of Proverbs 18:24 "There exists companions disposed to break one another to pieces, but there exists a friend sticking closer than a brother." (or sister) There are any number of us who would have treated you with the caring and respect you deserve. We on this thread do have a common bond of caring, love of justice and appreciation for our planet and it's atmosphere. Warm wishes being sent to you tonight. Jeanie |
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:18 am
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Dear Jeanie, You have no idea how much your kind and thoughtful words mean to me. The proverb was perfect and oh so very true.
Someday you may see the movie about the 5 short days I was away (that feels like a month), because I am writing a screenplay about it ,,, a comedy/drama/adventure with absolutley no embellishments,, just the straight facts as they unfold. You wouldn't believe it but it sure would make an interesting tale. Someday I hope to do nothing but laugh about it. But one thing for sure... I will never have anything to do with her ever again in my life.
Thanks Dan, for your kind words also. I know that you notice those bruised looking clouds also, and now I have a good shot of one "laying one" of those red/black trails. This black jet that laid this red/black trail was at about 35,000 ft, as we were flying at 33,000 ft and this one passed over us about 700 ft above.
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KrissaTMC2
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:55 am
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I'm glad you made it home safely KnewEyes. - I've got 2 sisters to deal with and it ain't easy sometimes. - That's when my combat training really comes in handy. - LOL
I just looked at your pictures and that's one nasty looking trail. I've seen trails like that before but never got a look at the jets that made them.
I read on page 40 of the CT Reports thread that Nirvana just got back from Florida and saw a dark colored jet spraying too but didn't get pictures as far as I know. Not sure if it was on the flight down or the flight back either. |
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KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
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Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:18 am
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Well Krissa, I wish you nothing but sisterly love between your sisters and yourself, because any other way is just pure torture. The only time my sister and I ever really got along is when we are at least 2000 miles apart. Thank God we have been separated by that amount of distance most of our adult lives. I am trying like crazy to remember that movie Cathy Bates became famous in,,you know the one where she "helps" James Cahn (sp?) in.
The jet I saw close up that was laying this trail was a very fast, smaller, black jet, and I mean FAST! |
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