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Spikey
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Starman1
You picture of your contrails is easily explained. Kevin_Martin has already explained most of it. Looking at the shawdows and overall brightness and also a assuming northen hemisphere we can assume a midday sun and the jet streams are running west to east. That is the semi vertical contrail which has been blown a long way. |
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starman1
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:36 pm
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 Actually the photo was taken at 8:50 am pacific time nor cal, I hadn't adjusted the camera for daylight savings time. it was taken just minutes before it was originally posted here,
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread10584.html
not a midday sun, and that you just have to take on my word |
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Spikey
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:42 pm
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Sorry , my mistake, it must be a chemtrail then. |
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starman1
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:50 pm
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quote:
i have a theory, but first, why dont you give me your explanation. how do YOU think this trail was created? if it is a chemtrail, how did the chemtrailing aircraft create it? i infer from the way you framed your question that you do not believe the trail in the pic could have been created by normal means. ok. i will accept this premise if you explain in detail how an aircraft created these patterns. then please explain why an aircraft could create these chemtrail patterns but could not create identical contrail patterns.
First of all, i can't prove weather it is either chem or contrail, and I for One don't really care what it is composed of. What matters to me most is the almost perfect geometry displayed by the anomaly. In what you refer to as a moving jetstream, if the air is moving about so quickly why do the lines remain so perfectly oriented to each other and form perfect parallelograms. remember this was just one plume from just one jet aside from the others who were lower on the horizon. |
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Foolsbane
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:08 pm
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Mondo wrote:
"First off, if you'd be honest, you wouldn't be spending so much time dismissing chemtrails, or aerosols, being sprayed. Why would you even bother to go on websites like this and spend so much time trying to convince what people are seeing with their own eyes? "
Speculating on motives is a fools errand...maybe it is just becuase we can't stand to see ignorance embraced with such glee...the lack of objectivity and critical thinking is so overwhelmingly apparent on this board as to make me wonder why I bother too...and yet...I just hate to see ignorance spread.
". And besides, steam doesn't persist for hours and grow. Contrails evaporate. Unless you are trying to use the logic that various types of fuel are causing theese "persistent contrails". (what a laugh that term is...sheeesh!). Logicallly, then it wouldn't be a contrail. Fuel is not condensation. Water is. "
Again, your ignorance and lack of understanding of what a Contrail is renders your ability to understand and formulate coherent explanations completely null...A Contrail is more than just steam....it is condensation nuclie (ice crystals combined with dust already in the atmosphere) that mixes with the effluent of the jet exhaust - which contains any number of particles consistent with the combustion of petroleum- sulfur, nitrates etc..)
Contrails DO PERSIST FOR HOURS AND DAYS!!!!!!!!! They can and do spread out and cover the sky with what is called "contrail-cirrus" clouds. To continue to believe otherwise is to base your beliefs on ignorance- this is not disinformation, this is fact. This contrail behavior has been observed and researched since the 1950s. This does not prove that "chemtrails" do not exist but it does..er...cloud the issue to a very high degree...such that no one can be on the ground and determine that what they see in the air is ether a contrail or a "chemtrail"...
One needs to fully educate themselves on the known behavior on contrails before they can comment on what is or isn't "normal" contrail behavior- otherwise you risk being exposed as an ignorant Fool.
Don't take my word for it...do the research YOURSELF- there are hundreds of scientific papers from around the World detailing persistent contrails dating back as far as 1953-
Search the terms : supersaturated persistent contrail and contrail cirrus
I also encourage you to become educated on the field of study known as Dispersal Theory and Fall Rates for getting a better understanding that what you see overhead - particularly if it is in an aerosolized form will not fall on you...but drift and fall somewhere else...that's why the whole theory of spraying the population below is very unwieldy and unlikely (as opposed to spraying for the purpose of changing the atmosphere which is more plausible) |
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AA767
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:30 am
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spikey,
do you fly for a UK airline? i have a lot of friends that fly for the charter carriers. MYT, MON, EUK, BAL, FCA, XLA. |
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AA767
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:33 am
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"Hey fly boy, if your still here, what happened to this contrail? "
i have a theory, but first, why dont you give me your explanation. how do YOU think this trail was created? if it is a chemtrail, how did the chemtrailing aircraft create it? i infer from the way you framed your question that you do not believe the trail in the pic could have been created by normal means. ok. i will accept this premise if you explain in detail how an aircraft created these patterns. then please explain why an aircraft could create these chemtrail patterns but could not create identical contrail patterns. |
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marklookingup
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Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:52 pm
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Spikey,
[quote]marklookingup
"I had a look at the Holmstead Website and its very flawed. Especially the part about 'using the empty fuel tanks or aircraft'. Not only would this contaminate the fuel lines, pumps and injectors but not every aircraft is capable of jettisoning fuel. Those that do have jettisoning valves cannot just spray fuel from a selected tank, tanks are cross-fed to allow jettisoning and again would cross contaminate the jet fuel. Not only that but the added weight has to be calculated, signed for and filed away. Weight costs money and airlines are barely making a profit at the moment without carrying 'chemicals' for spraying."
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Not trying to beat a dead horse, but Deep Shield admitted that he speculated information on the aircraft, as that wasn't his expertise.
I was more concerned about the reasons he stated the program needed to exist. |
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AA767
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Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:33 am
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"Why would you even bother to go on websites like this and spend so much time trying to convince what people are seeing with their own eyes?"
right... this type of thing has never happened before. the idea of debate is completely alien to you. no one ever "bothers" to confront opposing ideas. what a unique concept!!! |
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