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Redeemerson
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[quote="Spikey"]Redeemerson
Can you answer a few questions about religion that I have never been able to understand...
2. The teachings of the bible warns of following false Gods (such as the devil) how do you that churches and priests are not spreading the word of the devil?
Some churches and preists (shepherds of any denomination) are corrupted by the devil and do twist the word of God in order to manipulate their flock. Remember Jim Jones, and the Branch Davidians. All churchs are targeted by the apostacy. The devil even has a counterfeit spirit, that many people mistake for the Holy Spirit. How do you know the difference? If the man who claims to represent God reachs for the zipper on your trousers, its time to go away. Discerning between the spirits is a gift from God that few people possess. The devil can only pervert God's word, not decree his own (as far as I know). He sure would like to be able to do this though. |
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Redeemerson
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:54 am
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[quote="Mach_10"][quote="Redeemerson"][quote="Spikey"]Redeemerson
Can you answer a few questions about religion that I have never been able to understand...
1. If God is perfect, why did the garden of Eden go so wrong so quickly?
I think that heaven will be perfect, once God's plan is complete........
Mmmm is it me, or did you not answer the question at all? Seems like you are talking round it without coming to a point[/quote]
Dude, this is a straight A answer. Right on the nail head. Did you read it?The Bible states that one out of every three people can never bring themselves to believe in God, even after He reveals himself to them. They chose to spend eternity in hell. Don't be one them! |
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starman1
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:40 am
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spikey
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But why if He created everything, why did he create good and evil? Is the devil another creator?
Great question, keep em comin, first I'll take a shot at the last part of that one, (Is the devil another creator?) No, in one sense, he too, is just part of The Master's Creation, therefore, in totality he too must be an aspect of God... Because all that exist, exist's because of God.
I believe that ultimately, it or he or whatever it is, (the devil) must have been an argument within God himself that must be resolved before all creation so that His true perfect Love can be revealed before all His children, so that they will not judge Him less than Perfect, and Fair...
I think were going deep, hang on.........
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It seems strange that He creates man with free will but then punishes that free will. Now I choose not to believe in God (using my free will as created by Him if he does exist) why should i be punished?
What if your government didn't punish bad choice freewill where you live? C'mon, your neighbor rapes your wife, we shouldn't punish his freewill choice? I know extreme example, different context but all about choice. Ain't it great, He could choose to quit believing in you and you would just cease to be, yet you are still here, I don't think you yet understand punishment, what God offers you is Life or Death eternal... Choose time runs out...
Wheat or chaf..... |
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Spikey
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:26 pm
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Good debate so far...
Let me throw in the David Koresh (Waco) example if I may... The bible says that the second coming, EVERYONE will know about it (doesn't say everyone will accept it). Now I want to argue that David Koresh was the second coming, we all knew about it because of TV coverage and he propherised many things correctly including the end result and his murder.
Perhaps judgement day has already been and gone, the bible doesn't say how long after judgement day when we go to heaven or hell. |
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starman1
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:52 pm
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Perhaps judgement day has already been and gone, the bible doesn't say how long after judgement day when we go to heaven or hell.
At the return of The Lord, every knee will bow, all will be transformed in an instant into Spiritual Bodies. I'm quite certain the "Waco" incident was not the Second Coming. Then there's this little space of time called the Millennium, which is considered a secondary teaching phase by some, and is thought to be a period of 1ooo years, where-in the beast/dragon/serpent/deciever/father-of-all-lies etc. will be bound and not allowed to interfere, after which time passes he will be released again, for a final test, then The Day of Judgement comes when the Liar and all who follow him/it/whatever will be cast into the Lake of fire......
The "davidian's" may well have been members of the Body of Christ, (I am not certain what they taught or believed) and for whatever reason's were attacked. But remember also what was done to Christ, and what He said to His Own, "the world will hate you as they have hated me". And, "He that is in Me, is Greater than he who is in this world". |
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mr. jones
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:44 pm
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it's easy to mainpulate people especially with religion.
because it deals with moral issues, issues that questiojn deeply held premises.
no one person or group has the right to impose his or her will on others.
freewill is the most valuable gift given by the creator to creation.
Once you give that up, your future is not in your hands.
unfortunately religion has been used simply as another tool to manipulate the masses and gain power (i.e. the vatican).
Your connection with the creato is totally personal resides in your heart.
It's actuall very simple to understand but people cling on to their suffering like if it were a batlle between life and death.
people will let go of everything except their own suffering.
The key to a happy life is to live in the moment.
why? because time doesn't exist, it's an illusion created by a mind entrained to think in subjective ways.
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Redeemerson
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:22 pm
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David Koresh was definitely not the second coming of Christ. I know he thought he was a Christian, but I think the devil had managed to warp his mind in regard to that issue. Look at his 'fruits' or actions; multiple females outside of marriage (some exceptionally young by modern standards), and a willingness to murder. I promise you, when Jesus returns, he won't be totin' an SKS with a bananna clip.
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concerned
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:31 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Redeemerson
David Koresh was definitely not the second coming of Christ. I know he thought he was a Christian, but I think the devil had managed to warp his mind in regard to that issue. Look at his 'fruits' or actions; multiple females outside of marriage (some exceptionally young by modern standards), and a willingness to murder. I promise you, when Jesus returns, he won't totin' an SKS with a bananna clip.
As a man devoted to christianity, what's your point of view on todays GOP? Did it burn you to see Bush exploit your faith for votes to continue the evil agenda? Just curious as some of my christian family bought into republican lies in 04 |
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Redeemerson
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:57 am
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Hello Concerned. I must appologize; I had been thinking you were a government agent (a little bit paranoid I am).
Politics, where to begin? Things aren't always what they seem to be. We don't actually live in a democratic society. If we did, each citizen would have to read 1000 pages everyday and vote, everyday, in a complex decision making process. The US government is really a representative oliarchy. If you're interested in this, I would recomend the (Greek philosopher) Plato and his writings on politics. Representative means we vote for people that we think will represent our interests while they do business in Washington. Oliarchy means special interest groups, like lobbiests, and it includes the military/industrial complex folks.
The last time I voted was in the 1980s. I voted against George Bush Sr. My vote was discounted, because in the State of Kansas, we only have 3 electoral votes. All three electoral votes are given to the individual that wins the majority in the popular election. If 49% of Kansas votes democratic, then the repulican canidate gets all three electoral votes. How stupid is that? I don't vote. God's looking out for me. US politics, IMHO, is pretty corrupt in its structure. How about President Bush's first term? A lot people say he wasn't even elected.
When I tell people I'm a Christian, they always assume I'm a conservative Republican. I don't get the connection. As far as lies go, no they don't burn me. People don't know the Truth, they open their mouth, out comes nonsense. I try not to lie, but alot of my words are 'worldy nonsense'.
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Spikey
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:23 am
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The western worlds political system is called 'two party politics' for the reasons mentioned above. It's not a real democracy but the two dominant parties pass or ignore passing laws that are not in their long term favour. They just accept that every few years each party has a go at running the country.
Tony Blair 'won' the last UK election by winning 33% of the populations vote, but he won with a majoirty number of seats.  |
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Redeemerson
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:31 am
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TO: Spikey regarding bipartisian politics.
In my opinion, the bipartisian political system is a theater managed by the forces of evil. There is a one world government emerging that maintains the illusion of sovereign nations in order to accomplish it's agenda. It includes the international banks and the military/industrial complex. They run the individual countries, and even orchestrate wars between the countries when it suits them. The Book of Revelations mentions a 'synagogue of Jews who are not really Jews'. This sounds crazy, but I really think they are agents of the devil, maybe even demons. They manipulate our perceptions of threat, and have inspired the human race to produce a technology that will support them in their real effort, which is a war being fought between Satan and God. |
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Wonder Woman
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| Re: World Domination
Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:53 am
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Originally posted by Spikey
Why do conspiracy theories always have world domination as the end result? What would it mean if one person ruled the world?
That one person would have to have at least a few helpers to help organise his rule, those helpers would then need a trusted ruler for each country working below them. Each countries ruler would need councils running each city which would in turn employ a 'police' type force to control the citizens.
What a minute, that is exactly the same as now, without the one person at the top!!!!
Also why do some of you believe the government wants to track every citizen's movements? Tracking 6 billion people waking up, eating breakfast, driving to work, working, driving home, eating dinner and then watching the TV before sleep - WOW what a scary thought! 
"Mr World President, we have a problem"
"Yes what is it?"
"Mr and Mrs Smith of 76 Something Avenue, DID not watch TV for 2 hours like they have done for the last 3 years"
"Send round the troops to re-program them"
Discuss... 
 Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutley.
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