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WiseQuakker
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“How could anything this involved be kept a secret from so many people? Surely, everyone in the military would know...”
http://www.downwinders.org/ffall00.htm
“FORGOTTEN FALLOUT”: Introduction
By J. Truman
August 11, 1997
The recent release of summary of the National Cancer Institute’s (NCI) 14-year long report of nationwide fallout from the 1950's Nevada atomic bomb tests has set off a fire storm of public concern, outrage, and anger. To many it marks the first time they have had to deal with the implications of nuclear testing in their personal lives. It also marks the worst public relations disaster for U.S. public health agencies since fallout was first “discovered” following the 1954 Bravo test at the Nevada Test Site. Suddenly everyone in America, from coast to coast, has to deal with the fact that they were personally exposed to radioactive fallout, with admitted risks to their personal health. This time, it wasn’t just a small group of Americans close to the test site, or close to some nuclear weapons facility. It was everybody! And this time the media has not followed the the government’s party line that “fallout is harmless, and there is no danger.”
The forced release of the National Cancer Institute’s report (after the media obtained “leaked” sections of it) is tremendously important to all Americans. It is vital that the American public, and their elected representatives, have the additional information needed to put the report in proper context. The public must understand the historical perspective of the testing period itself, and, most importantly, to know the lengths to which government agencies conducting the tests went to cover up the extent of fallout, and its dangers to the health of the American public.
To assist in providing the American public with the additional information needed to fully evaluate the NCI report, Downwinders will be publishing an ongoing series of articles titled “FORGOTTEN FALLOUT.” The series will not only cover examples of specific areas of the United States, Canada, and Mexico which were hit with high fallout levels, but will also discuss the response of the government and its agencies at the time.
We will also provide profiles on the scientists and medical personnel who bravely raised the spectre of alarm at the time, and whose lives and careers were destroyed as the Atomic Energy Commission and others who tried to maintain the ruse that “fallout is harmless.” The coverup and disinformation campaign continues today with the long delayed NCI report.
Along with the series Downwinders will also be providing links to other sites where relevant historical information on the testing period and the fallout controversy can be found. The purpose of this series will not be to argue or debate the potential health effects of fallout, or to estimate specific risks, but to help establish a clear historical record of nuclear weapons testing, and the government's efforts to conceal its public health hazards. We must know how we got to this point, and how it happened that our entire nation was exposed to radioactive fallout without our consent or knowledge. We must know how the government officials involved hid the relevant facts from us. Most importantly, for the sake of ourselves and our children, we must insure that this national disaster, inflicted upon us all by our own government, can never happen again!
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“In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” — President Eisenhower, 1961...
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theseeker
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Tue May 07, 2002 10:18 am
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post removed because it delt with facts, which were contrary to quak's intention's
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WiseQuakker
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Tue May 07, 2002 10:39 am
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quote:
A good discussion on cattle carving was once here...
Well it ain’t coming into this thread, so you can take it back where you found it, for cryin’ out loud... Now you gotta wash up with disinfectant, too...
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“In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” — President Eisenhower, 1961...
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WiseQuakker
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Tue May 07, 2002 9:03 pm
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The second post is a perfect example of how easy it is steer a topic off into the boonies. I really don’t really understand your point or why you felt it necessary to introduce the subject of cattle mutilations, Seeker. CM isn’t even acknowledged by the mainstream.
Go back and re-read the lead-in post, replace all references to radioactive fallout and nuclear weapons testing with contrails and chemtrails, and you will find a one-to-one correspondence. Most importantly, investigate FOXES, WEAK LINKS, AND LOLLIPOPS and you will find answers to the opening question, here, and (hopefully) begin to comprehend the anatomy of a cover-up at the highest levels of United States government.
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“In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” — President Eisenhower, 1961...
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theseeker
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Tue May 07, 2002 9:39 pm
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post edited for quak (richard~noggin)
Go back and re-read the lead-in post, replace all references to radioactive fallout and nuclear weapons testing with contrails and chemtrails, and you will find a one-to-one correspondence.
so you wish me to replace factual words with other words to come to some sort of a assumption ?
I don't play charades quak...so I'll leave you to discuss this on your own...
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WiseQuakker
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Wed May 08, 2002 12:41 am
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Now let me spell out something for you, Seeker. You have successfully shifted the focus of this thread for whatever self-serving purpose you apparently have and it represents nothing less than a grave insult to the memory of all those who suffered and died at the hands of the Federal Government.
This thread is not about cattle mutilations, gypsy moths, or your self-promotion. Got it...??? For your benefit, it happens to be a fact-based history lesson. If you are incapable of extracting its message and comprehending how it directly applies to current events, then that’s your own damned problem.
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so you wish me to replace factual words with other words to come to some sort of a assumption ?
It would appear that you don’t have the slightest grasp on the difference between an assumption and a very obvious correlation. Turnabout is fair play and if you have made your rounds to the message boards, you know damned well what I’m talking about.
Don’t bother responding to this post, Seeker. You have already made your point very clear. I trust that mine is equally so...
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“In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” — President Eisenhower, 1961...
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Wed May 08, 2002 5:41 am
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David
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Wed May 08, 2002 6:01 am
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mark sky
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Wed May 08, 2002 6:01 am
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once when i was a young one
and the sky was blue / with clouds / real
"my "government" inialalated the hopes of a nation
full of hope
several hit the windshield trim
but the result was brain matter
on the trunk and the purse
BUT MOST IMPORTANT
the ability to corral minds
into a set and blow lies into them
gone the days of climbing ropes in the gym
to make AMERICAS youth StrOnG
blown away JFK~ Robert soon as after
military oilygarkey
rayetheeeethon came into play to
size up and put down
any thought you might have
kindred SpiRitS~ having trouble with email at the momment~a good idear why~ have patience~the mail awaits in the cleaning room
will respond ASAP
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mark sky
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Wed May 08, 2002 6:16 am
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David~ knowing the SOURSES and the predominant winds
Could you think that individual counties
would pattern like that?
[[[[[looks more like an "ellllllection"]]]]]
to me~ but what do i know |
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David
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Wed May 08, 2002 6:20 am
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Nay I say, t'would not have thought so. |
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Bonehead9
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Thu May 09, 2002 1:43 am
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David, where did that map come from, if i may ask?
Anyway, it looks like most of the heaviest exposure was downwind of Hanford, In central Washington.
Now there is no one arguing that the government (and it's contractors) did not expose all of us to various radioactive isotopes. Keep in mind however, that this was in the chilliest depths of the cold war.
Context is everything. Of course it is inexcusable, but it is understandable in the context of the times.
BTW, one of my uncles died of cancer in the 70's. He was in the army in the late 40's. I strongly suspect that atomic testing had a role in his death. Yes, he smoked also, and I am sure that that was also a factor, but I can also imagine that the synergystic effect of smoking and exposure to radioactive fallout was pretty close too deadly.
Also, did you know that the John Wayne movie "The Searchers" was shot in Utah at the time of some of the tests? How do you think they got those stunning sunset scenes.
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David
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Thu May 09, 2002 2:34 am
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And why do you suppose some of the actors in the movie died from various types of cancer?
I will have to do more research on this one but..... the filming of one of hollywoods big movies called for many many tons of white sand to be brought into the set in gollywood.Where did the sand come from you ask, good question. The testing range at White Sands, New Mexico. The number of actors that have passed on from cancer who were in the movie is quite impressive.
To answer your question on the map. I took it from the downwinders www.downwinders.com site last year and posted it in a thread called "nope not us we would not do that". It has resided in my files since.
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Thu May 09, 2002 3:17 am
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I The movie was released in March 1956 so I can only assume that it was shot in 1955.
Shooting locations:
http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/s/searchers.html
the last above ground test in 1955 was in may.
Actually there were a whole series of tests that winter and spring http://www.nuclearfiles.org/maps/tp/index.html
Interesting. It doesn't prove anything, but it is interesting nonetheless.
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WiseQuakker
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Thu May 09, 2002 6:40 am
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Bonehead — If you want to know where a particular image comes from, all you have to do is right click on it and check out the properties. To save you time and effort, you may locate the above radiation map at http://www.downwinders.org/radmap_m.gif.
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Now there is no one arguing that the government (and it's contractors) did not expose all of us to various radioactive isotopes. Keep in mind however, that this was in the chilliest depths of the cold war.
Context is everything. Of course it is inexcusable, but it is understandable in the context of the times.
Yeah, and look how far we’ve come. That last statement of yours, Bonehead, is about as frightening as anything I’ve heard in recent history. In fact, it is every bit as scary as the text from Lucas Helder. It’s the old “end justifying the means” rationalization plan again.
So, in other words, under a similar set of circumstances, it would be completely “understandable” for the Military Industrial Complex to create a whole new generation of “downwinders” amongst the civilian population. If context is indeed “everything”, then how chilly must the spectre of war reemerge before it is once again “permissible” for the Federal Government to expose its own citizens to the malevolent effects of bigger and better secret projects, which are, of course, always cloaked in the guise of “national security”?
I guess none of us should worry, however. On the watch of guys like LTC8K6, Maverick, F16Jock, et al., they would know if anything “funny” was going on. After all, they’re a whole lot more savvy than were their predecessors, 40 to 50 years ago.
General Eisenhower wasn’t fooled, by the time he retired as President of the United States. Then again, I guess you could argue that he was just an old fart when he wrote his farewell address...
“There is no danger.”
One of the Original Downwinders.
(From the AEC booklet, “Atomic Tests in Nevada”, 1957.)
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“In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” — President Eisenhower, 1961...
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