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PHANTOM911
Joined: 31 Oct 2001
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How Low Can They Go - Video
 Fri May 10, 2002 6:33 am
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Now available for your downloading and viewing pleasure .....
This video was shot right here in the driveway. I'm no expert, so I put this to all. How friggin' low do you think this aircraft is? Filmed with a 1992 model 8mm Radio Shack special with 8x optical zoom. This aircraft, in my opinion, can't be more than 4,000 ft. from me. That includes laterally. Let the de-bunking begin as I'm near cashing in, to spend this summer trying to enjoy the outdoors as opposed to fearing it. As always, I apologize for the file size (7+ MB) but it's worth the look. I try to keep the clips short, but the action always warrants more. This one is longer than others and slightly degraded due to file size. Take a look for youself. You've seen them fly over and know at which altitudes you can make out what.
Right-click the link, save target as - to hard drive, view with Media Player @200%
Happy Trails http://mochemtrails.topcities.com/016.AVI
[Edited 3 times, lastly by PHANTOM911 on 05-10-2002] |
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Thermit
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Fri May 10, 2002 3:36 pm
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Phantom911, what zoom were you filming this with?
I can't tell the altitude, but from the way this trail is appearing to quickly fade away (in less than a minute) in the video, it looks like most of the contrails that I observed and identified using Flight Explorer. Hey, maybe I'm mistaken, but the only suspicious trails that I ever saw during my research were the ones that just didn't want to disappate, and they seemed to always come from the jets that didn't show on FE. |
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PHANTOM911
Joined: 31 Oct 2001
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Fri May 10, 2002 4:22 pm
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Thermit,
The zoom is only 8x optical and was nearly fully zoomed. You said "this trail is appearing to quickly fade away (in less than a minute) in the video," It is? No Thermit, not so. Yes, when I panned fully to the left it appears that the trail is diminishing on that end. However that's the problem with the video. It isn't long enough. If I could put this particular day's worth of filming on the web I would. Go to my website and see the albums "A Trip To The Auto Parts Store" and "Meanwhile back at the House" , especially page 3 and after. http://mochemtrails.topcities.com/ct001.html
This was all the same afternoon. The trail in question remained for a long time as did all others that day and at altitudes lower than most I've seen. I'll put out a video of the trails from the parts store page to better show that day's dumping. NO, no Thermit, don't you try telling anyone this wasn't a
persistent trail. I'll gladly produce hours of persistent trail videos for anyone willing to cover the costs.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHANTOM911 on 05-10-2002] |
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Thermit
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Fri May 10, 2002 4:41 pm
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quote:
Yes, when I panned fully to the left it appears that the trail is diminishing on that end.
Well, how long did it last? |
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PHANTOM911
Joined: 31 Oct 2001
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Fri May 10, 2002 5:26 pm
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Thermit,
Guess this needs still more explaining as I appear to not be able to get my point across. Yes the left end of the trail "appears" to be "diminishing". The sky at this time was so full of chem snot to the east and south that the trail in question is nearly obliterated by the whiteness from which it eminates at the left. Yes this was a persistent trail that upon expanding, added to the already present Chemical Chaos! This took somewhere between 1-1/2 to 2 hours. Go look at the stills from that day, the whole day, as I suggested. And I reiterate; Most all of the trails I've filmed are nowhere near the altitudes where CONtrails form. They're always lower!
You seem to be questioning my ability to observe the difference between persistent and non-persistent aircraft trail activity. Frankly, I'm insulted! For one, I wouldn't waste my time filming this s!@# if it wasn't persistent. Nor would I concern myself with this entire subject matter if I thought all of this to be normal aircraft activity. I'm starting to think maybe YOU have actually set up the best de-bunker site right under our noses! Chocked full of "believers" with just enough from the "other side" to discredit anything that might appear to get to the bottom of the issue. Sorry Thermit, but no de-bunker will convinve me I'm the one that's running a quart low. No my friend, I prefer the company of those on this site with a real concern for their health and lives and that of their loved ones, to the likes of those persona behind the de-bunking lines....
If you have a problem with me personally posting to this site, please let me know. One thing I've learned over the years is not to tread where not welcome. |
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Thermit
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Fri May 10, 2002 6:38 pm
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quote:
You seem to be questioning...
It's nothing personal Phantom911, but questioning is actually a good thing. It's people who don't question that are most likely to miss what's going on in front of their eyes, for example with Chemtrails. If people don't question how are they to get to the truth? I don't understand why you are getting "insulted" by me asking a simple non-confrontational question. |
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PHANTOM911
Joined: 31 Oct 2001
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Fri May 10, 2002 7:25 pm
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Thermit,
Sorry to be so defensive of my work lately, it's just I got a dose of the "Look man, ain't nothin' really goin' on up there dude" blues from those who continue to wander their lives through, oblivious to the very sky above them. What a fuc%ing waste of humanity. When all this is really said and done won't be s!@# left to matter anyhow.
And don't take it from me by no means, it's in the back of the BOOK.
As for questioning, I felt that's what I was doing here in the first place. I'm sure now I'll never stop, I just might have to find the proper forum, if this is truly not it. I thought it to be so. In you own words "maybe I'm mistaken," but I hoped not.
Now, getting back to the video, I want opinions on what people think the altitude of this aircraft might be, given the lateral distance away and the visibility of the aircraft, its size, etc. Hell, my position ain't all that much lower than the aircraft's. This thing was flying along on my horizon above the neighbor's fenceline. I realize a grainy mpg, avi, whatever, doesn't get the true picture out, but without better equipment and editing programs and time, it's all I have for now. If I could, I'd send everyone who would ask a copy of this and much more on VHS, which when viewed on a TV shows the whole story, I would, but my personal funds don't permit this. Maybe you'd like a copy of some of the numerous hours of long lasting persistent trails I've video'd. I think I'll set them all to Pink Floyd and Roger Waters music and distribute them to the masses. Hell, it could be the first "Chain(ed) mail" Chemtrail Video for the not so shy. Kind of a Chemtrail Video Pyramid scheme where everybody gets fuc%ed and no one just makes a BUCK! I copy it to you, you copy it out to two friends, and so on. That's the way it should be! Dare I try? |
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PHANTOM911
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Fri May 10, 2002 7:51 pm
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Weird....I just posted the above to Thermit and on comes Pink Floyd's TIME via the radio! We-ooo-we-ooo! |
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Dan Rockwell
Joined: 10 Dec 2001
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Fri May 10, 2002 8:12 pm
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Phantom, I haven't had a chance to see your latest video, because of my P.O.S. pentium 166, but I'll have Krissa download it on her's so I can view it.
Sometimes, we do see very persistant trails here, however,depending on the conditions, they aren't always so and have a tendency to dissipate rather quickly. On the days when the conditions aren't exactly right, the flyovers tend to be less frequent, like one per hour, and sometimes we don't realize that we've been sprayed until the conditions begin to change and the haze begins to thicken.
However, when the conditions begin to improve and the trails become more persistant, within a very short time, the rest of them come out of the woodwork and within a very short time, the sky is filled with trails. - These jets are spraying at full power, leaving big wide trails, but they're just not always persistant.
And as one of the members of my team once said, "just because the trails don't always persist, it doesnt mean that the chemicals aren't up there."
Today I saw 2 of these jets and the trails coming out of them were huge and they were traveling in the same direction that our regular sprayers do, but the conditions just weren't right for them to be persistant. |
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PHANTOM911
Joined: 31 Oct 2001
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Fri May 10, 2002 9:56 pm
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Thermit,
And I quote
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"I can't tell the altitude, but from the way this trail is appearing to quickly fade away (in less than a minute) in the video, it looks like most of the contrails that I observed and identified using Flight Explorer. Hey, maybe I'm mistaken, but the only suspicious trails that I ever saw during my research were the ones that just didn't want to disappate, and they seemed to always come from the jets that didn't show on FE."
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am I to understand, that as far as you're concerned, even with the added information from me, this video depicts nothing abnormal, only contrail formation from an aircraft?
This is a test and grades will be given. (Ha-Ha)
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KrissaTMC2
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
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Sat May 11, 2002 12:03 am
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Well, I did manage to download your video Phantom. Good work! - This is exactly what Dan was talking about and what we've both been seeing here. Sometimes there's a delayed reaction and the chems don't become apparent until a while after the trails have supposedly dissipated. Sometimes I'll look up and the sky will be almost clear, then something will change in the conditions and the haze will suddenly thicken. And usually when it thickens and the trails become totally persistant, then they start chemming us like crazy.
I think that they send up a single jet, or sometimes two, to check the conditions and once they find a place where the trail no longer dissipates, then they scramble the rest of them. |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Sun May 12, 2002 10:39 pm
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Phantom911,
There's nothing wrong with debunking. Debunking just means to examine the evidence and toss out that which is false. This is an excellent thing, because it has been observed by me that there are those that purposely make false claims regarding Chemtrails in an attempt to discredit the issue and sometimes people mistakenly make incorrect claims. This does more to discredit our cause than the Chemtrail skeptics' counter-claims in my opinion. I've seen people incorrectly call contrails Chemtrails, and I don't like that. I would hope that you wouldn't either. I stand by my opinion that this appears to be a regular contrail. It looks that way to me, however I wasn't there, the video is fuzzy and didn't see it with my own eyes, so I'll have to take your word that this trail persisted for hours. However, I must also examine your claim of 4000 ft. or less for this plane. One thing I learned from my months of research with Flight Explorer is that altitude tends to be grossly underestimated when people aren't acustomed to doing so. With FE you get altitudes, so you can learn to judge more accurately with practice. Planes fly over Houston at 4000 ft. sometimes it looks something like this...
That is with no zoom at all.
Your video was zoomed by 8, and although it isn't directly above, you should be able to see much more detail if it was truely that low. If you multiply your altitude estimate of 4000 ft. by your zoom factor, you get 32,000 ft. Now that may not mean anything, but I think that this plane is probably at least over 26,000 ft.
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PHANTOM911
Joined: 31 Oct 2001
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Mon May 13, 2002 4:07 am
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Okay Thermit, or whoever you are, you're out of your tree!
If you think that the aircraft in question is anywhere near 26,000 feet you have got to be a total ass! If this aircraft is some 4+ miles away from my camera, there's no way you would see this jet at all. Get f@#$% real or put an end to your obvious $#@#!! Maybe what I read elsewhere about you not really wanting the truth is for real. And what about the rest of you at this site? You have no opinion on this video? Do you think Thermit is correct in his assessment that this aircraft is some 4+ miles from my vantage point? Speak up damnit!
There has been over 130 views of this thread. Have any of those bothered to view the video? Why does no one have s!@# to say other than Thermit? You all want the truth, you get it given to you, and you walk away from it after somone else tells you what it is. See for yourself! I ain't filming no aircraft at several thousand feet with the piece of s!@# camera I got! These are f@#$% low flying chem spreading planes that you claim you too have seen. Let's s!@# or get off the pot!
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Dan Rockwell
Joined: 10 Dec 2001
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Mon May 13, 2002 6:19 am
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Thanks to Krissa, I finally got to see your latest video Phantom and have videotaped a number of flyovers very similar to the one you captured with your camera. I even taped chem-jets flying over my house for an hour making trails while jets flying at higher and lower altitudes weren't making any trails at all one night.
I've been watching these jets for quite a while now and I think that they're flying lower than 30,000 feet too. I think that they have a tendancy to fly at different altitudes depending on the conditions and might just fly higher where Thermit is.
BTW, I've got a Panisonic VHS-C 1992 vintage camcorder with an 8X zoom like yours. |
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Lulu
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Mon May 13, 2002 1:34 pm
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Watch the language PHANTOM911. Surely you can make your point without the vulgarity???!!! |
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