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Hi P/I
Here are some websites you should take a look at about chemtrails, weather modification, etc. Good books to read are
"Angels Don't Play This HAARP" by Nick Begich - he also has a book
"Earth Rising..." can't remember the whole title. He has researched HAARP and all the patents, treaties, etc. concerning weather modification, the use of mind control weapons, biological weapons, etc.
Here's a website with a paper by Leuren Moret - scientist
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/Earth-Weapon-Moret24feb06.htm
Here is Carnicom's website
www.carnicom.com
He has researched this extensively and has a very good video.
Here is Bernard Eastlund's website, the father of HAARP
http://www.eastlundscience.com/patentsa.html
There is plenty of evidence to prove that, what I would call global scientists, have been working on this diligently for well over 50 years now. We are seeing the culmination of their work and it is not for our benefit. Some like Al Gore (who works for the same BIG BOYS Bush does) are going to convince the public that it's "Global Warming" caused by us "Little Folk and then probably tell us they are spraying the hell out of us for our own good - to SAVE the planet. These scientists work for the BIG BOYS, with the BIG BUCKS who can afford to put their plans into motion. We are headed into a time of massive droughts, plagues, wicked weather and never ending laws to manage the lot of us.
H.R. 6166 is a nice addition to Patriot Acts I and II.
It is easy to blame the E.T.'s but, personally, there's more evidence that a corrupt group of very powerful men have been planning this for a very long time. They just needed some final technology to get the job done, and the workers of the West to fund it all. 3.5 trillion is missing from the DOD, now where did it all go? Must've been a computer glich.
By the way, these guys have great underground, not bunkers, but cities to survivie anything that goes awry. Check out the Rand Corp. and their unbelievable Boring Machine. Are there safe bunkers for us little folk? Any shelters in case Osama - el CIAda gets a nuke? Hardly.
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Heya Pak:
Thanks for the links and the info, I will definitely check them out. I have only been taking pics and studying this phenomenon for about 9 months. I was wondering if you guys have seen this happen in the winter as well? I caught a couple of pics of big plumes occurring at night, which seems to contradict the "chemtrails fight global warming" theory. In the winter, the ground is covered w/ white snow and is already reflective, so I figure if they're really repelling sunlight, it will stop during the winter, right? |
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Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:54 pm
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Heya Pak:
Thanks for the links and the info, I will definitely check them out. I have only been taking pics and studying this phenomenon for about 9 months. I was wondering if you guys have seen this happen in the winter as well? I caught a couple of pics of big plumes occurring at night, which seems to contradict the "chemtrails fight global warming" theory. In the winter, the ground is covered w/ white snow and is already reflective, so I figure if they're really repelling sunlight, it will stop during the winter, right?
Since geoengineering is neither legal nor officially acknowledged, night time flights are less visible where experimentation can take place. They also could be used during the winter to help get snow melted. Plus, if one wanted such a program to be legalized, they may want global warming to be officially acknowledged, thus they might want to cook it up more, and then try to get their Frankenstein sciences legalized.
Finally, the vast existence of scientific theories promoting the off-setting of Co2 emissions through geoengineering aerosol sulfates is a proven fact. Teller, Paul Crutzen, T. Wigley, Jeremy Benford are some of the most prominent names to research. Knock yourself out if interested by googling geoengineering, radiative forcing, and any phrases or names you may come across if interested in seeking out truths rather than getting trapped into tabloid rabbit hole spins.
p.s. Sulfate aerosols wreak havoc on the ozone layer. Another possible motive for clandestine climate mitigation programs could be to help block out harmful u/v rays. Frankenstein scientists want to help maintain the status quo by marketing pollution instead of coming up with real solutions aimed at solving the true roots of the weather mayhem. |
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Hi FUI,
I do not read the tabloids, but it seems to me, the majority of the tabloids are putting out the scare of "global warming" to the masses. This takes huge amounts of money to launch such a campaign. And, if you read history, and trace the money, you will discover that the very same people who control the Big Oil companies also control the Science and Technology industries and the Environmental groups. This is why the environmental groups are SILENT on the spraying of our skies. David Rockefeller, a big player in this but still only a front man, is Big Oil, he is also IBM, he is also a major contributor to both the Democrats and Republicans and the environmental organizations. He hob knobs with Mr. Environmental, Al Gore, as much as anti-environment George Bush. He is also the mentor of Maurice Strong and comrad of Mikhail Gorbachev who are both pushing for the Kyoto Protocol and Agenda 21 (the agenda for the 21st century). The Kyoto Protocol is NOT about saving our environment, it is about legalizing a global tax on the individual. The very same people responsible for most of the pollution on the planet are the very same people who are trying to force a solution of theirs upon all of us, without our consent or input. The environmentalists will not care how many humans have to die to save mother earth (Jacques Cousteau stated that 350,000 people needed to die a day to save the planet). We have the continent of Africa as a model and the Georgia Guidestones as a monument to the new order of the ages. The technology you mentioned about Teller, et all is old stuff - obsolete, outdated. What they are using right now is child's play - the technology they will use is going to bring the world to it's knees. And you will be glad to know that you helped pay for it with your taxes. The very Elite who are blaming the US for all the ills of the world are the very ones who have profitted off the American taxpayer and are polluting China and India. I leave you with a quote by John F. Kennedy, an insider who realized back in 1961 the magnitude of the force that not only the American people, but the people of the world were and still are up against:
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match. |
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Originally posted by perverted_introvert
Heya Pak:
Thanks for the links and the info, I will definitely check them out. I have only been taking pics and studying this phenomenon for about 9 months. I was wondering if you guys have seen this happen in the winter as well? I caught a couple of pics of big plumes occurring at night, which seems to contradict the "chemtrails fight global warming" theory. In the winter, the ground is covered w/ white snow and is already reflective, so I figure if they're really repelling sunlight, it will stop during the winter, right?
Since geoengineering is neither legal nor officially acknowledged, night time flights are less visible where experimentation can take place. They also could be used during the winter to help get snow melted. Plus, if one wanted such a program to be legalized, they may want global warming to be officially acknowledged, thus they might want to cook it up more, and then try to get their Frankenstein sciences legalized.
Finally, the vast existence of scientific theories promoting the off-setting of Co2 emissions through geoengineering aerosol sulfates is a proven fact. Teller, Paul Crutzen, T. Wigley, Jeremy Benford are some of the most prominent names to research. Knock yourself out if interested by googling geoengineering, radiative forcing, and any phrases or names you may come across if interested in seeking out truths rather than getting trapped into tabloid rabbit hole spins.
p.s. Sulfate aerosols wreak havoc on the ozone layer. Another possible motive for clandestine climate mitigation programs could be to help block out harmful u/v rays. Frankenstein scientists want to help maintain the status quo by marketing pollution instead of coming up with real solutions aimed at solving the true roots of the weather mayhem.
Anybody who has read these forums for years can see the disinfo being spewed endlessly. A hint of fakery usually emerges when posters change subjects and never answered the post above.
This one is a very obvious fake.
I have found two chemtrail forums which make a lot of sense compared to the prepaid disinfo along with the "useful idiots" and paid hacks you'll find here. It's just a bit too scripted. It's not organic enough.
Debunkers like dumbass "He Who Shalt Not be Named" aren't the problem. Rather it is the whackjob nature of so much written here that shows the major decline in reality being covered as pertains to "chemtrails".
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| Chicago Chemtrails
Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:11 am
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I don't know about all of that, I just like coming here to post pics and chat with like minded people. Try and concentrate on how we're the same instead of how we're different!  |
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PAK
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Well FUI, I am not a fake, and am well aware of Teller, Crutzen et al. Do you honestly believe that the spraying of the skies is to stop global warming, or to fix a CO2 problem? I guess I am confused since the scientists you mention did and do get their paychecks from the big foundations. Geoengineering of the planet is occurring on a grand scale now and obviously it is not to benefit mankind as a whole. The laying of chemtrails occurs regularly here, although we may have a day here or there that the planes are not visibly active. These chemtrails are being sprayed at multi levels, some much too close to the ground to be for weather modification, or to protect the planet. Since the mainstream media is pushing the global warming crisis, then it makes sense that the spraying is contributing to the wicked weather patterns, droughts and global warming. Certainly things are much worse since they stepped up this agenda. Obviously, the media is not confirming the spraying of the atmosphere. That means when the time is right, they will let all the little people know that they are spraying our skies to save us from disastor. Scientists are only human, not Gods, they will put out information and data that they are PAID to put out there. Nanotechnology is a reality and even Tesla knew that "energy" was all around us, should be free, and clean and yet most of the world lives without the basics. For goodness sakes, we're still driving cars and with lousy gas mileage even though, in WWII they had a tank that could get 100 miles to the gallon. We're going backwards here in the US - one crisis after another, rolling blackouts, etc. These great scientists aren't giving us the truth cause they're not paid to give us the truth. I am sure they are laughing their butts off at how stupid the public has become. They can spray the skies, day and night, relentlessly, and most are totally unaware or just don't care about it. They won't believe it until ABC or CBS tells them that it is really going on.
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Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:39 pm
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As for what I've posted, I am not sure what it is you have a problem with.
The problem ,(FUI), is he, or she, or it,hasn't chased you away from CTC.
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Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:28 pm
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As for what I've posted, I am not sure what it is you have a problem with.
The problem ,(FUI), is he, or she, or it,hasn't chased you away from CTC.
Pak is a debunker, e.g. with global warming and aerosol sulfate geoengineering.
I'm having trouble reading your words here Increase, are you calling me he, she, or it? Are you saying I am trying to bully people off CTC? Or the other way around? Please advise.
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FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe
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Lou over at Gastronamus Cafe has uncovered a link showing that the USAF does have the capacity to spray the skies.
USAF Spraying Capabilities
Here is a crosspost of my response:
Thanks for finding this document Lou. I just found another geoengineering document which may help explain why there would be a spraying operation in effect.
Global Analysis, Interpretation, and Modelling Task Force
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Volume Five, Number One
Summer 2002
20. What is the optimal mix of adaptation and mitigation measures to respond to global change?
Mitigation measures are directed to reducing the impact of human activities on the Earth system, while adaptation measures are directed to reducing the impacts of global change on human society. There has been a significant focus recently on adaptation side of the climate policy debate. However, some observers fear that advancing our understanding of how to cope with exposure and sensitivity to climate change and to climate variability will diminish our will to alleviate the sources of climate related stress on our social, economic, political and ecological systems. They fear, in short, that adaptation will be used as a large-scale substitute for mitigation in the policy continuum...
22. What are the options and caveats for technologic fixes like geoengineering and genetic modification?
Description and justification
As anthropogenic perturbations lead to changes in global environmental conditions, many have been led to consider "fixing" the problems caused by emissions and land use by the burgeoning human population. Severe or catastrophic change in Earth’s climate system could potentially be averted by intentional modification of Earth’s radiation balance, for instance. Various methods have been proposed to effect this modification including placing scattering particles (such as sulfates) or small reflective objects (such as micro-balloons) in the stratosphere or low-earth orbit, coating the ocean surface with reflective films or objects, placing sun-blocking satellites in space, or producing whiter roads, rooftops, and other land surfaces.
Optimistically, such strategies could be an emergency backup system that would be used only to avoid catastrophic global change that might occur despite our best efforts to diminish CO2 emissions. Indeed, some have proposed researching these geoengineering options as an emergency climate catastrophe response system. Pessimistically, deployment of such schemes could constitute reckless interference in the Earth system, merely compounding problems produced by reckless release of CO2 to the atmosphere. Research into such systems could diminish the pressure to reduce fossil-fuel CO2 emissions (see Question #20, above). Indeed, many of these geoengineering schemes may be cheaper than weaning ourselves from fossil fuels, and have been proposed by some as an alternative to reducing fossil-fuel emissions.
Genetic modification has also been proposed as a means of diminishing the climate impacts of human activities. For example, it is possible that more reflective forests could be engineered, or that plankton could be developed that would more effectively export carbon to the deep sea. Some fear that such organisms released into the environment could dangerously spread and multiply, irreversibly altering the Earth in unforeseen ways. Others suggest that such organisms would not compete well in a Darwinian sense, as nature has not already selected for such organisms on its own. The least controversial of these proposals is the idea that we should make roads and rooftops more reflective. Such an approach is unlikely to have significant adverse effects and could slightly diminish global climate change. However, this would only very partially offset the large areas of high-albedo desert that are being irrigated to grow low-albedo crops.
In a preliminary study of geoengineering Earth’s radiation balance, it was found that geoengineering schemes could potentially ameliorate not only global mean temperature change, but regional and seasonal temperature change as well. This is despite the fact that the radiative forcing from a change in solar flux differs both spatially and seasonally from the radiative forcing from a change in atmospheric CO2 content. This seems to be the case because feedbacks in Earth’s climate system are strong relative to the forcing factors being applied to that system. For example, a doubling of CO2 provides a radiative forcing of about 4 W m–2, whereas the presence or absence of sea-ice can affect the air-sea heat flux by 50 W m–2 or more. Hence, the character of the climate response is largely (but not exclusively) governed by feedbacks in the climate system.
For each proposed geoengineering scheme, several issues must be addressed:
* What are the direct climate effects?What are the unintended consequences?
* How would we engineer it?
* What are the consequences of failure?
* What are the political and ethical implications research, development, and deployment?
* How can we properly evaluate risks and potential benefits?
* Will the scheme be a permanent solution or merely delay the negative impacts of climate change until increasing population pressure catches up?
The political, social, and ethical questions may be the most difficult. What would happen if several countries implemented a geoengineering scheme over the objection of other nations? Would the existence of these schemes result in additional anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions? What is the ethical (and legal) difference between knowingly altering climate (as through fossil-fuel burning) and intentionally altering climate (as through geoengineering schemes)? How do we make cost-benefit analysis of the scheme when the value systems of various affected parties differ, and costs and benefits are not easily monetarized? How do we assess the risks associated with our uncertainties? Is it ethical to research such systems, or is geoengineering research a Frankensteinian program from the start? (end)
Me: I think the aerosol mitigation going on presently cannot be accelerated or fully implemented until the social and legal aspects are addressed. It comes as no surprise that debunkers fall back on the argument that these are only proposals. If so, then why do so many frankenscientists talk about how quickly such a strategy could be put in place, as if they have been using our skies the last years to see how their frankensteinian ideas would work in reality. Finally, why does the military have exemptions from laws limiting the sulfate content in jet fuels? And why is there such an effort at chemtrail forums to suppress awareness of all these geoengineering documents? |
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As for what I've posted, I am not sure what it is you have a problem with.
The problem ,(FUI), is he, or she, or it,hasn't chased you away from CTC.
How's the tinfoil there? You right wing conspiracy nuts are so strange. Hey, all those years you have been a conservative just shows that you have been on the wrong side of history.
But, but, but, Clinton. It's too late to apologize all you right wing fascists who are now anti-GW and Cheney. Too little, too late you wingnuts. Now go back to whatreallyhappened, rense, and prisonplanet you fool. They command you to obey. You are getting very sleepy. tinfoil. tinfoil. |
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:48 pm
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Obviously, FUI, the scientists are geoengineering the planet. The problem is they are doing it without our approval - we have no say in this massive operation that is being done to alter the planet and ourselves. The article you have sited shows that theses "scientists" believe that "overpopulation" and humanity are the cause of all the problems of the world. They have to fix it with "science". They were screaming overpopulation back in the 60's in America, how we have to stop having too many children, etc. Well, the US population did just that, we were at 0 growth until we allowed the huge influx of illegal immigration. Now, why are the same foundations, such as the Carnegie-Mellon, Ford, funding this illegal immigration while at the same time funding these scientists to prove that the world is overpopulated and the population needs to be reduced? So these same people are justifying using the world and the human populations as a huge petri dish to see what the outcome will be. Just as the "scientists", responsible for the atomic bomb wanted to be able to use it to see what would happen. So, the poor people of Japan were nothing but guinea pigs for the scientists.
And, they are still concerned with Darwinism? His theory has NEVER been proven yet these scientists are still hell bent on defending the doctrine. I don't believe in the "creation" theory as sited in the Bible either, but it seems to me there could be a thousand other explanations for life on the planet than either of these two theories. And "genetic modification" these scientists are talking about? Do you think it's possible they have considered genetically altering human beings? No, these guys are moral, upstanding citizens, with degrees and certificates. They would never consider doing something so evil.
And, these same scientists that gave us the automobile are now cursing those of us who drive. Yet, the technology is 100 years old and obsolete, we should not be using cars anymore. Why hasn't the USA put in a whole better mode of transportation across our country? Disneyland has a monorail, do we have that across our country? There are tons and tons of articles on new types of technologies that we could be using but are not. So, instead of spending the resources on a new type of transportation, these scientists would rather spend it on spraying the skies with various heavy metals to alter the planet to "save" the planet? That doesn't seem very logical. I guarantee, the planet could heal itself if we were given a new, cleaner type of transportation. We could easily phase out the automobile for a better mode of transportation instead of spraying the skies with more pollution to alleviate pollution.
And this is a "global" operation that obviously has massive funding behind it. That means, only those with huge financial resources can get away with doing this. I am curious, FUI, who do you think is funding all of this? Who's paying these scientists to sit around and discuss altering the planet? How are all these planes that I see spraying here day and night - who's paying the pilots? Who's paying for all the CO2 gas they are burning besides the extra crap they're laying the skies with. Who has access to huge chemical laboratories that are producing the chemical brew being sprayed?
As I have said before, scientists information is only as good as who writes their paycheck. The sheer arrogance of these scientists is clear in the article. What gives them the right to play with the planet and humanity?
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PAK
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:52 pm
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Hi P/I
You've taken some great pictures. Did you happen to see the pictures I put on this website under my name? I took some from the airplane, just a short while after taking off out of O'hare. Up above the heavy cloud cover was a whole bunch of trails being laid above the clouds. It was really wild.
I just got back from flying to NC from O'hare and it was complete fake cloud cover, as if the whole US had this chemical shield over it. In fact, there was a whole separate layer above the plane and I could only see the ground when we got near Charlotte. They weren't spraying directly over Charlotte, but there was a definite haze in the sky.
A good website you might be interested in checking out is
www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com
He has a lot of free stuff to listen to - it will certainly get you thinking. Maybe Revelations is really a revealing of a plan and not a prophesy. All the stuff in revelations can be done with science and technology today. |
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perverted_introvert
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| Chicago Chemtrail Misc
Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:18 pm
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Heya Pak:
Good to hear from you. I did see your pics, very nice X shots in there too. I think we live in a prime area for this stuff for whatever reason. There is a video on google video about a "ufo" reported in southern illinois a few years back, they think it was some kind of stealth blimp flying there. Just shows they're trying new things out here... There was a lot of strange stuff going on 3 days ago when i took most of the new photos, my car ended up with sticky gunk all over it too. Keep taking pics, would love to see more |
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