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http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/12343892/can_dr_evil_save_the_world/1
Can Dr. Evil Save The World?
Forget about a future filled with wind farms and hydrogen cars. The Pentagon's top weaponeer says he has a radical solution that would stop global warming now -- no matter how much oil we burn
JEFF GOODELL
Last summer, an elite group of scientists, economists and government officials gathered at Snowmass ski resort near Aspen, Colorado, to contemplate the end of the world. The weeklong workshop, held in the shadow of 14,000-foot-high peaks at the Top of the Village lodge, was organized by the Energy Modeling Forum, a group of academics and industry leaders affiliated with Stanford University. A few months earlier, Stanford professor John Weyant, the director of the group, had asked participants to consider a nightmare scenario: It's 2010, and global warming is not only happening, it's accelerating. The Greenland and western Antarctic ice sheets are melting at an exponential rate, leading to predictions of a twenty-foot rise in sea levels by 2070. In this scenario, southern Florida vanishes, New York City becomes an aquarium, London looks like Venice. In Bangladesh alone, 40 million people are displaced by the rising waters. Droughts cripple food production, leading to widespread famine. If you need to put a "sudden stop" on emissions of carbon dioxide, Weyant asked, how -- short of shutting down the global economy -- would you do it?
Spinning out blue-sky scenarios is nothing new for this crowd. But there was extra urgency in this exercise because it wasn't all blue-sky. In the Arctic, things are already getting freaky. Temperatures have warmed three times faster than the global average. Last year, scientists found that an area of polar ice twice the size of Texas had melted since NASA started compiling satellite data twenty-seven years ago. Some studies suggest that the Arctic Ocean may be ice-free by the end of the century. The giant ice sheets that cover Greenland -- which were projected to grow for another century -- are also behaving strangely. "It turns out we had it wrong," says Richard Alley, a noted paleoclimatologist at Penn State. "The ice sheets are shrinking, and they're doing it almost a hundred years ahead of schedule."
At the Snowmass workshop, it was clear that putting a "sudden stop" to climate-warming emissions would require something more than investing in wind turbines. In one presentation, Jae Edmonds, chief scientist at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, suggested that the only way you could radically cut emissions without shutting down the economy would be to replace coal and oil with genetically engineered biofuels, which would not only cut pollution but would suck up carbon dioxide as they grow. But making such a switch would require a massive expansion of agriculture, sweeping changes to the world's energy infrastructure, bold political leadership and trillions of dollars.
Then Lowell Wood approached the podium. At sixty-five, Wood is a big, rumpled guy, tall and broad as a missile silo, with a full red beard and pale blue eyes that burn with a thermonuclear glow. In scientific circles, Wood is a dark star, the protege of Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb and architect of the Reagan-era Star Wars missile-defense system. As a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Lab in California for more than four decades, Wood has long been one of the Pentagon's top weaponeers, the agency's go-to guru for threat assessment and weapons development. Wood is infamous for championing fringe science, from X-ray lasers to cold-fusion nuclear reactors, as well as for his long affiliation with the Hoover Institution, a right-wing think tank on the Stanford campus. Everyone at Snowmass knew Wood's reputation. To some, he was a brilliant outside-the-box thinker; to others, he was the embodiment of Big Science gone awry.
Wood hooked up his laptop, threw his first slide onto the screen and got down to business: What if all the conventional thinking about how to deal with global warming was wrong? What if you could do an end run around carbon-trading schemes and international treaties and political gridlock and actually solve the problem? And what if the cost to get started was not trillions of dollars but $100 million a year -- less than the cost of a good-size wind farm?
Wood's proposal was not technologically complex. It's based on the idea, well-proven by atmospheric scientists, that volcano eruptions alter the climate for months by loading the skies with tiny particles that act as mini-reflectors, shading out sunlight and cooling the Earth. Why not apply the same principles to saving the Arctic? Getting the particles into the stratosphere wouldn't be a problem -- you could generate them easily enough by burning sulfur, then dumping the particles out of high-flying 747s, spraying them into the sky with long hoses or even shooting them up there with naval artillery. They'd be invisible to the naked eye, Wood argued, and harmless to the environment. Depending on the number of particles you injected, you could not only stabilize Greenland's polar ice -- you could actually grow it. Results would be quick: If you started spraying particles into the stratosphere tomorrow, you'd see changes in the ice within a few months. And if it worked over the Arctic, it would be simple enough to expand the program to encompass the rest of the planet. In effect, you could create a global thermostat, one that people could dial up or down to suit their needs (or the needs of polar bears).
Reaction to Wood's proposal was fast and furious. Some scientists in the room, including Richard Tol, a climate modeler with the Economic and Social Research Institute in Dublin, Ireland, found Wood's ideas worthy of further research. Others, however, were outraged by the unscientific, speculative, downright arrogant proposal of this . . . this weaponeer. The Earth's climate, one scientist argued, is a chaotic system -- shooting particles into the stratosphere could have unforeseen consequences, such as enlarging the ozone hole, that we might only discover after the damage was done. What if the particles had an effect on cloud formation, leading to unexpected droughts over northern Europe? Bill Nordhaus, a Yale economist, worried about political implications: Wasn't this simply a way of enabling more fossil-fuel use, like giving methadone to a heroin addict? If people believe there is a solution to global warming that does not require hard choices, how can we ever make the case that they need to change their lives and cut emissions?
Weyant, surprised by the "emotional and religious" debate over Wood's proposal, cut off discussion before it turned into a shouting match. But Wood was delighted by the ruckus. "Yes, there was some spirited discussion," he boasted to me a few days later. "But a surprising number of people said to me, 'Why haven't we heard about this before? Why aren't we doing this?' "
Then Wood flashed a devilish grin. "I think a few of them were ready to cross over to the dark side."
Global warming, as al gore put it recently, "is the only crisis we've ever faced that has the capacity to end civilization." The ultimate solution is no mystery: Among climate scientists, a consensus has developed that we must cut projected global emissions at least in half by the year 2050. But a few leading scientists have begun to suggest that reducing pollution simply can't be done fast enough to prevent a planetwide meltdown. "This is not a goal that can be achieved with current energy technology," says Marty Hoffert, a physicist at New York University. "I think we need to admit that and start thinking bigger."
According to Hoffert, the 850 coal-fired plants projected to be built worldwide in the next decade or so will emit five times more carbon dioxide than will be reduced under the Kyoto treaty on global warming. Add in 100 million newly rich Chinese road-tripping in their SUVs, and you can see why a growing number of scientists believe we are approaching a climate catastrophe faster than we think. Paul Crutzen, a respected atmospheric chemist who won a Nobel Prize for his pioneering work on ozone depletion, recently suggested that it is time to consider "last resort" options -- including the idea championed by Wood and others to shoot sulfate particles into the stratosphere.
To his colleagues, Crutzen's willingness to consider deliberate intervention with the planet's climate is a sign that the debate over global warming has changed. "Here is a guy who knows more about the Earth's atmosphere than anyone else alive, and he's telling us that the situation is so dire we need to think about intervening with the atmosphere on a planetary scale," one climate scientist told me. "That's frightening, of course -- but from a purely scientific point of view, it's also very interesting."
Until recently, discussion of geoengineering -- intentional, large-scale manipulation of the Earth's climate -- has been taboo among scientists. The pursuit is widely seen as not only a dangerous distraction from the serious business of figuring out how to cut emissions but also as borderline immoral. Lester Brown, one of the godfathers of the environmental movement and president of the Earth Policy Institute, sees geoengineering as "another step down the road of actively managing the planet -- something we've already proven we're not terribly good at. The whole idea of geoengineering is based on an assumption that we know how this all works, when in truth we haven't a clue." Burton Richter, a Nobel Prize winner in physics, also dismisses the idea, arguing that "piling one un-understood problem on top of another un-understood problem is not very smart." The point was driven home a few months ago when Stewart Brand, founder of the Whole Earth Catalog and a supporter of geoengineering, attended a meeting with Al Gore and suggested erecting a giant sun shade in outer space to cool the planet.
"Gore looked at me like I was crazy," Brand recalls. "He snapped, 'Right, Brand. Let's do an experiment with the entire planet.' "
But of course, we're already running an experiment with the entire planet -- it's called civilization. To keep this civilization going, we dump billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year, the impact of which we're just beginning to understand. "In effect, we're already engineering the climate," says Ken Caldeira, a senior scientist at the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford who collaborated with Wood on the "Save the Arctic" proposal. "We just don't want to admit it. You can argue that the only real difference between what we're doing today and what geoengineering advocates are proposing is a matter of intention. And frankly, the atmosphere doesn't care about what's going on in our heads."
Many scientists who support the idea of actively managing the Earth's climate believe that it's simply too late to rely on a more gradual approach to global warming. James Lovelock, who coined the Gaia hypothesis of the planet as a single living organism in the 1960s, compares geoengineering to chemotherapy. "There is only a small chance to save the patient, but we have to try it," Lovelock says. "It is a survival strategy, a leaky lifeboat."
Wood, whom Lovelock praises as a "man of great invention," understands how ethically fraught his idea is, and how it raises anew a fundamental question about our relationship with the world we live in -- are we the caretakers of the Earth, or the masters of it? Indeed, the very subversiveness of geoengineering may be one reason why Wood champions it. "Lowell enjoys playing the role of Dr. Evil," says Caldeira, whose own politics are solidly enviro-lefty. "But he also happens to be brilliant. And he's one of the few people I know who is thinking about the nuts and bolts of how to actually manage the Earth's climate. I don't really think of him as a scientist -- he's a planetary engineer." ...
>> This is an excerpt from the new issue of Rolling Stone, on newsstands until November 16th.
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swampgas | 11/25/2006, 1:17 am EST
Folks, Michael Fury is the only one here that hit it on the head. This “Aerosol Mitigation” as the government itself calls its Global Warming reversal project, has been going on since the late 90s, perhaps before that. Do your research. Forget aliens, orbs, HAARP, Demons, Bacteria, population control. This is real. It is happening now. they are looking to the corporate whores/sluts like Lovelock and Brand to appease the enviornmentalists and Hippies.
Nic | 11/24/2006, 6:54 am EST
Sure, this scheme would counteract global warming nicely.
There’s just one “little” problem. Sulfur oxide in the atmosphere eventually turns into sulfuric acid. Ouch.
You know, blowing up a few hydrogen bombs would cause a nuclear winter, and boy, that would solve global warming as well. Why don’t we just do that? Oh, right, radiations.
The point is: there’s no silver bullet. I would’nt mind snake oil salesmen at all, if it weren’t for the fact that I, too, live on this planet.
Gaia sighs... | 11/24/2006, 6:30 am EST
Has anyone considered what the results would be if this plan goes forth, and we then experience another Krakatoa? We would have set the stage for another Ice Age.
Michael Fury | 11/23/2006, 8:41 pm EST
Wood’s mentor Edward Teller wrote this up in ‘92. It’s been an ongoing experiment in plain sight over your heads since ‘99, involving additives to jet fuel to create aerosol artificial cloudcover. Some call it “chemtrails”. “Dr. Evil” and his buddies don’t need your approval any more than they need your approval to put laser cannons in space or fly Global Hawks over your suburbs. They just finally decided to tell you about it.
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Is there not any evidence to suggest it has really been ongoing for decades as has weather modification - now we see laws for this. And also the UN had rules on this back in the 1970's to try and prevent any country using such tech to use as a weapon.
Unclassified documents also show we have been facing weather modification for decades.
It is possible to spread viruses this way using aerosol inhalation (a UK operation was tested for this use in the 1960's) which is fast and effective when done properly. Some low aprayed aerosols are almost touching tops of buildings in rural areas of the country that I see. There are possible multi uses here.
Using modern warfare (that has been readily available for over 70 years) it will make it possible to wipe out global populations in such short periods of time. Won't remaining people ask questions about this though....ah, a natural pandemic?
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The local oregonian newspaper the other day had sat photos from above China and covering the Pacific to the West Coast,looked like chemtrails but was played off as industrial pollution. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1164009323157330.xml&coll=7 China's mercury flushes into Oregon's rivers
Contaminant - A fifth of the poisonous metal found in the Willamette is from outside North America
The inky smoke belched by chimneys in Chinese cities such as Linfen and Datong contains mercury, a metal linked to fetal and child development problems. Trace amounts of the poison can take less than a week to reach Oregon, where research suggests that about one-fifth of the mercury entering the Willamette River comes from abroad -- increasingly from China.
Mercury and other airborne contaminants collect over China during the winter and spring until Siberian winds arrive bearing dust from expanding Chinese and Mongolian deserts. Every five or six days, the winds flush out eastern China, sending dust and pollutants such as ozone precursors high over the Pacific, says Russ Schnell, observatory and global network operations director for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
"The ozone on the West Coast in a few years will be controlled not by California and Oregon," Schnell says. "It will be controlled by China." The incoming pollution bucks a U.S. trend toward cleaner skies and water.
Mercury is especially suited for long-distance travel because at the smokestack in elemental form, it's insoluble. By the time it reaches the West Coast, however, some of the mercury has transformed into a reactive gaseous material that dissolves in Western Oregon's wet climate. It washes into the river, where microbes convert it into a form that further concentrates in fish.
Most of the mercury entering the Willamette comes from Oregon's volcanic soil and from sediment churned up on the river bottom. But Bruce Hope, senior environmental toxicologist of the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality, estimates that global sources beyond the state's control contribute 18 percent -- more than four times the share from local air deposition.
"If I made every local source go away, would I be able to eat the fish?" Hope asks. "Right now the answer is maybe."
Hope was struggling to account for all the Willamette's mercury sources before he encountered Dan Jaffe, an atmospheric and environmental chemistry professor at the University of Washington at Bothell. Jaffe and other scientists were detecting Asian pollutants in monitors atop Mount Bachelor and Cheeka Peak, on the Olympic Peninsula.
Urban carcinogen levels
The monitors regularly record levels of airborne carcinogens equivalent to those of a major city, says Staci Simonich, an Oregon State University researcher. In April 2004, instruments mounted atop Mount Bachelor's Summit Express ski lift intercepted an enormous Asian plume laced with mercury and ozone. The fine-particle concentration hit about 20 micrograms per cubic meter, compared with the federal air-quality standard of an average 65 micrograms during a 24-hour period.
"The air we saw on that day was comparable to a moderately bad day in Portland," says Jaffe. "When you consider that that air has traveled thousands and thousands of miles, it's pretty amazing really." Jaffe calculated that Asia emits 1,460 metric tons of mercury a year, twice as much as previously thought. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20061125-9999-1n25ewaste.html Each year, 100 million computers, monitors and TVs become obsolete in the United States, making e-waste the fastest-growing portion of the waste stream. These products typically are loaded with toxic metals such as barium, cadmium, mercury and lead.
E-waste accounts for more than 40 percent of the lead and 70 percent of the metals in U.S. landfills, creating a high potential for toxins escaping into the air or leaching into the ground and water supplies
The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, echoed similar concerns twice last year.
By some estimates, 80 percent of e-waste collected for recycling in the United States is shipped to nations such as China, India and Mexico
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The ENMOD Treaty does have a "little" loophole in it. It prohibits "nations" from using these weapons against another "nation" (but doesn't address it's own people). And, since today, the multi-national corporations are the most wealthy and powerful entities in the world, they have no allegiance to any particular country, they are exempt from the treaty so consequently can do whatever they want. Also, most of those people that are the corporate heads have created "Foundations" or NGO's (non-governmental orgs) as a way to move their money, tax free and restrain free to do with as they please. On top of it, different departments, at least within the US, such as the EPA can donate your tax payer dollars to the tax free Foundations. Not to mention GATT, NAFTA, FTA have all allowed these multi-national corporations to use your taxpayer dollars to set up huge businesses in say CHINA and not show a profit for 7 years (they just keep gauging the taxpayer while the CEO's get the big bucks). They also have no restraints in China and India, can pollute, do nafarious testing, etc.
Ever since the inception of the United Nations, the world has had more horrific wars, more disease and pestulance, more genocide and on and on. They have their own version (really the poppa of them all) of the EPA called UNEP. Of course, the UN believes "global warming" is a reality. Paul Crutzen has been given high awards by UNEP. So here is Paul Crutzen's bio - go to this link.
http://www.mpch-mainz.mpg.de/~air/crutzen/vita.html
He's a busy Bee. Looks like he's quite the internationalist, and if you scroll down you will find an interesting tid-bit. He was given the title "Commander in de Orde van de Nederlandse Leeuw" by Queen Beatrice. This is a very high freemasonic order and is linked to other similar high freemasonic orders around the world. Queen Beatrice owns Royal Dutch Shell and is, of course, cousin to Queen Elizabeth as well as other oligarchies.
Now Dr. Evil, Lowell Wood, is an interesting fellow. I don't think he's a right winger or a left winger, in fact, I don't think he works for the US. Here's a link to a speech he gave discussing EMP and how he and other, what I would classify as "non-national scientists or madmen" blew nuclear bombs off in the upper atmosphere to test out EMP which basically causes everything electrical in a nation to cease. It destroys all power grids, everything electrical in a country, cars, phones, etc. They did it near Hawaii in the early 60's lost all their power. It is quite the devastating weapon. The Russians did it too and of course it blew radioactive material all accross the world, not to mention huge holes in the OZONE that we, the little people are being blamed for. But, of course, none of this is revealed until 30 or more years later after the damage is done. But, don't worry, in the article Wood states that it doesn't harm humans (or so he says). I thought of the movie "War of the Worlds" which is pretty close to an EMP kind of weapon even though they show Aliens doing it. I say our own species is capable of doing it.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2005_cr/h060905.html
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1999_h/99-10-07wood.htm
Why, all of a sudden, at such impecable timing, are all these scientists pushing the global warming theory, that we, the little people use too much fossil fuels, when they obviously, along with those that fund them, don't have to alter their lifestyles? By the way, overpopulation is always mentioned along with over comsumption of fossil fuels. China has "favored nation status" with the UN and is exempt, along with India from the Kyoto protocol. So, now, conveniently they are going to admit that they have been spraying the skies to stop global warming? That is the best these "experts" can come up with? They are doing this so the Chinese can drive SUV's? Personally, I smell a rat here.
Now, based on observation, since this spraying has been going on it is making global warming worse and the weather is turning wicked and highly suspect. More and more hospitals are reporting undiagnosed respiratory infections in patients. Asthma and other respiratory ailments have increased despite the fact that most heavy industry is gone from the US. There is a lot more than sulfer being sprayed in the air, and it is being done too low in the atmosphere as you can watch it drop to the ground on a heavy spray day. We have been having a lot of unusual fog that just sits on the ground for long periods of time. A great way to dispurse heavy metals and God knows what. All these "top" scientists are funded by the huge corporations through endowments etc. And let me tell you, the United Nations doesn't have a "Department of Population Control" for nothing. |
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True, and it allows for US law (on such areas as weather mod.) to be forced as Inernational laws under Globalisation (NWO) and UN world government institutionalisation, etc. Since weather mod. tech already can affect us internationally even when from one nation - this is well known to be common sense so may as well control it all to be sure no great harm is done to them.
So we have 4 (merged one world entity world government institutes) of them ready for this or it is all ready with us yet we have only now to willingly be in favour and accept it all.
As we both know both the UK and USA are guilty of testing bioweapons on their own people without ever telling them at the time, some now have been paid compensation.
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Hey PAK, this is most likely off topic but do you believe the EU/Russia is becoming one or will be one even if it is never officially announced since both Russia and EU need each other especially when it comes to resources. Good business sense if you ask me and I had said for some years it would be a good choice for them to merge into one, even if it was kept secret. We now have proponent communist style leaders of the EU, and UK USA out source almost all industry along with corps to China.
The recent G8 summit held demonstrations and organisations from groups personally backed (and funded) by Putin that support Globalisation from Russia and for Russia to be the top G8 - financially also!
http://en.g8russia.ru
Bush in Russia ahead of G8 summit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5179390.stm
G8 supports 'open' energy markets
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5184776.stm
G8 summit: It's really about Russia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5147948.stm
Kremlin centralised energy control with German-Frankfurt EU centralised monetary system.
Russian and Chinese officials have encouraged citizens to even cash out USD in favour of the EUR currency. Some prominent Russian experts have stated there is an agreement between the EU and Russia acquiescence for them to forge into one especially with the war on terror, which we all know is a war on fabricated state terror - with Russia being an expert on.
Some world economists have also predicted well in advance the collapse of the US and global economy which we are nearing.
We also have Soviet communist experts showing us how the EU is ever gradually heading for a federal fascist state system and this all makes sense in many respects. First they gain power of all countries and ensure only laws that exist or are used are EU ones and that all trade and centralised monetary system as designed by Rothschilds is used, Frankfurt style.
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The ENMOD Treaty does have a "little" loophole in it. It prohibits "nations" from using these weapons against another "nation" (but doesn't address it's own people). And, since today, the multi-national corporations are the most wealthy and powerful entities in the world, they have no allegiance to any particular country, they are exempt from the treaty so consequently can do whatever they want.
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Hi FWO,
I read a lot of Foreign Affairs Magazine which is put out by the CFR and it seems that their writers picture three trading blocks to emerge. (Actually, the buracracies are already set up- it just hasn't been formally announced to the public yet). The 3 blocks are the EU (including Russia, Africa and probably India and some of the Middle East), The Pacific Rim (China, Asia, Australia and probably some Middle East), and Pan-American Union (The US, Canada, Mexico and So. Am). But, before this can happen, I think the plan is to totally destablize the Middle East, maybe even nuke the area, possibly Iran. There's a lot of ancient archeological sites in the middle east that I think the Elite want to destroy permanently. Also, the writers of the CFR look at the Middle Eastern people as a nuisance, more than likely a good portion of them will be eliminated as are the Africans. They are pessimistic as to the likelyhood of the Muslim population becoming "democratized" (the definition ever changing in meaning).
These trading blocks are not really going to be in competition but it seems they picture each area will have certain functions eventually. The outlook for the US isn't very good as one of EU's ardent promoters Jacques Attali wrote in his book "The New Millenium-Winners and Losers in the New World Order" that the US would be overrun by hoardes from the South and eventually would become a Spanish speaking country. The next boat people will be US citizens leaving to find work elsewhere in the world. At least that is his take on things and he was definitely "in the know".
But, the CFR devoted one whole magazine to China. They are the model for the world, proof that a country need not be a "democracy" to have a booming economy. Their writers definitely see China as the economic and military stronghold of the future and give high praises to the fact that this totalitarian style of government has been able to achieve such economic status in a short time. Of course, they fail to mention that the Western corporations have given them all the technology and our tax-payer dollars have funded the build up of China through the GATT and free trade agreements. And, of course, only a very small minority of the Chinese have actually benefitted from this booming economy.
That's why I view these "scientists" that are pushing the Global Warming at a time when the world is in a precarious enough position, as nothing but shills for the Elite. We do not see any of those at the top, pushing this agenda, altering their lifestyles. The Elite and their paid "experts" consume far more energy than the average Joe. They are using China as a huge staging ground - none of the big corps or scientists have any restraints on what they can do in China and they have a huge slave population to do the dirty work and experiment on. The Global Warming agenda is to put the masses back into the dark ages - ration food, water, shelter and energy. It's a crock. These scientists are cloning humans, creating new species, have nanotechnology, and are building huge modern cities in Asia with our money, while the US is going backwards, not to mention advances in military gizmos they have. They've admitted that over 3.5 trillion is missing from the DOD alone, while our young men and women are fighting a pointless war with obsolete technology. I could go on and on. And yet, the best solution for so-called global warming these "great minds" can come up with is to spray the skies with chemicals. And people are actually buying this BS.
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Hey PAK, thanks for the prompt reply. As always good to read more on your viewpoint on this. Interesting.
You said the whole magazine was dedicated to China, this is an ever increasing theme we see more than on the odd occasion. You also make some very valid points on these forum threads, all of which never seem to be addressed as serious issues (among none aware people that is). When reading economic and business publications I see similar things as you mention.
I guess exploiting modern slavery is a good thing for the global elitist cartels. Near on 3 billion humans forced to live off $2 each day.
Personally, I still try to remain positive and be as optimistic as I can but I have my days.
When it is "formally announced" in stages one after another people always seem to be either almost ready or willing to support it.
What some of us do to fight when and where we can does have an affect but so far only delaying or changing some things for short term.
I still believe eventually and ultimately we shall prevail. At what cost though....
I agree, the elite are well into nanotechs, biotechs and of course love the idea of transhumanism and/or cyborg transhumans.
Now, we do have some CIA, NSA officers openly deny they make use of nanotech supercomputers, the ones that use actually manipulated new species-life forms. Of course denying this is only the first step...you know what stages follows...
The global warming thing is related to sun cycles as you and others have previously talked about on here. We go through cool and hot period cycles that last decades or centuries at a time, scientists do actually say we were much warmer millions of years ago than we are now but then they take into account other factors with ice ages and mini ice ages which also relate to not being in a hot sun cycle. No technical terms I know, you can find good URLs postedon this site by other CTC members for more info on this.
So called experts do also say that space weather does effect the weather on this planet and that they have evidence to back this up.
Sorry if I diverted this thread off topic at all Swamp Gas but I felt some of what i posted was related some form or other.
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:03 am
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Gaia scientist Lovelock predicts planetary wipeout
Jeremy Lovell
Reuters
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
The earth has a fever that could boost temperatures by 8 degrees Celsius making large parts of the surface uninhabitable and threatening billions of peoples' lives, a controversial climate scientist said on Tuesday.
James Lovelock, who angered climate scientists with his Gaia theory of a living planet and then alienated environmentalists by backing nuclear power, said a traumatized earth might only be able to support less than a tenth of it's 6 billion people.
"We are not all doomed. An awful lot of people will die, but I don't see the species dying out," he told a news conference. "A hot earth couldn't support much over 500 million."
"Almost all of the systems that have been looked at are in positive feedback ... and soon those effects will be larger than any of the effects of carbon dioxide emissions from industry and so on around the world," he added.
Scientists say that global warming due to carbon emissions from burning fossil fuels for power and transport could boost average temperatures by up to 6C by the end of the century causing floods, famines and violent storms.
But they also say that tough action now to cut carbon emissions could stop atmospheric concentrations of CO2 hitting 450 parts per million -- equivalent to a temperature rise of 2C from pre-industrial levels -- and save the planet.
Lovelock said temperature rises of up to 8C were already built in and while efforts to curb it were morally commendable, they were wasted.
"It is a bit like if your kidneys fail you can go on dialysis -- and who would refuse dialysis if death is the alternative. We should think of it in that context," he said.
"But remember that all they are doing is buying us time, no more. The problems go on," he added.
REFUGE
Lovelock adopted the name Gaia, the Greek mother earth goddess, in the 1960s to apply to his then revolutionary theory that the earth functions as a single, self-sustaining organism. His theory is now widely accepted.
In London to give a lecture on the environment to the Institution of Chemical Engineers, he said the planet had survived dramatic climate change at least seven times.
"In the change from the last Ice Age to now we lost land equivalent to the continent of Africa beneath the sea," he said. "We are facing things just as bad or worse than that during this century."
"There are refuges, plenty of them. 55 million years ago ... life moved up to the Arctic, stayed there during the course of it and then moved back again as things improved. I fear that this is what we may have to do," he added.
Lovelock said the United States, which has rejected the Kyoto Protocol on cutting carbon emissions, wrongly believed there was a technological solution, while booming economies China and India were out of control.
China is building a coal-fired power station a week to feed rampant demand, and India's economy is likewise surging.
If either suddenly decided to stop their carbon-fuelled development to lift their billions of people out of poverty they would face a revolution, yet if they continued, rising CO2 and temperatures would kill off plants and produce famine, he said.
"If climate change goes on course ... I can't see China being able to produce enough food by the middle of the century to support its people. They will have to move somewhere and Siberia is empty and it will be warmer then," he said.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/281106_b_Gaia.htm
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:22 am
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I think the refuges he refers to are underground. These are for the Elite not the masses.
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