|
|
PacerLJ35
Joined: 18 Apr 2002
Posts: 456
Location: Millbrook, AL, USA |
 Thu May 30, 2002 4:03 am
|
 |
|
ForMadeline...
I fly over Charleston all the time...I'm based out of Montgomery AL. I'm a Learjet pilot, and we often cruise as high as 41,000 feet. Of all the times I've flown over the Charleston area, I've never seen anything that would indicate to me that there was any "spraying" going on.
Traffic has always been normal. There have never been any weird vectors nor have we ever been instructed to climb or descend to avoid a particular area, as many chemtrail believers have read on various sites.
And not only do I see persistant contrails on a daily basis, we fly through them too. And trust me...if they were truly toxic, I'd be dead by now because the "chemtrail" would wind up in our cabin air system (since our pressurization and cabin air comes from the compressor section of our engine...which is sucked straight from the atmosphere).
I hope you do find the real truth out there, but be careful. I've seen many web sites that spout all kinds of information. Some sound very technical and have all the right jargon, and would likely be very convincing to someone that doesn't know better about aviation and meteorology, but to a pilot, it's obvious that the writer doesn't know what they are talking about.
Ask yourself this question: If chemtrails are true, then why hasn't there been a single pilot or ATC controller come forward? Or even any believers from those two communities?
You'll often see people post with "I know a pilot who said....blah blah blah". And there's one guy who claims to be a pilot, but won't talk to the other pilots out there that ask him simple questions like "what aircraft do you fly", etc. But to date, I've never seen a bona fide pilot post on the believer's side. They've always argued for the debunkers. I've sent chemtrail links to every pilot I know, and most laughed, some ignored it, and a few others joined me in the debunking.
I've posted chemtrail links on pilot message boards, with the same results. Not a single pilot out there has said "hey, some of this is valid". Not a single one. None of them have seen the mysterious lingering contrails....because they are completely normal and have looked the same for the past 30-40 years since many of these pilots first started flying.
The one "pilot" that has posted photos of "chemtrails" but refused to discuss anything about airplanes with other pilots show scenes that I've been seeing since I first started flying...
So be very careful. And consider other sources for the rash. There are so many other things that can cause such a thing. My wife is pregnant too, and industrial pollution, auto pollution, paints, solvents, household chemicals, allergies, etc....all those things can cause ill health effects.
The primary problem with many of the "research" is that none of the "researchers" have ever considered other possible sources for the pollutants. Which is a cardinal sin in the eyes of a real scientist. The chemtrail believers simply ignore the coal-burning plant down the road, or the barite mine on the other side of the county, and are single-mindedly focused on forcing results to fit the chemtrail theories. |
| |
|
|
David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
Posts: 1381
|
|
Thu May 30, 2002 4:11 am
|
|
|
'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain'.
---------------------------------------------
Hi pacer, taking a break from Cliff's site?
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails |
| |
|
|
Nirvana
Joined: 01 Nov 2001
Posts: 180
Location: Seattle, WA |
|
Thu May 30, 2002 7:45 am
|
|
|
OK, which is it? a) don't believe any thing the government, or scientists tell us because they all lie, or b) Information is information regardless of the source. seem like contradictory advice to me.
a) Regarding the government, I said "can and will lie,...", not "the government lies 100% of the time". I'm sure they would like to tell the truth 100% of the time, if it fit 'their' needs.
b) I'm saying information is a commodity aside from the delivery mechanism. Don't discount information from unofficial sources, or anybody for that matter. It's up to you to filter what's meaningful and what is not. Almost nobody is correct all the time, but almost all are correct some of the time.
As it is, the first paragraph is a twist of the classic fallacy known as an appeal to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam). Only in this case rather than basing an argument on dubious authority, Nirvana bases his argument on a denial that an obvious authority exists. Now granted not everyone who works for the government or is a scientist is an expert on everything, It is a little far fetched to claim that "they are all involved in the conspiracy."
True about not all being involved in a conspiracy, but as with an corporation, the policies come from the top down, and if you don't follow the rules, you will find yourself out of a job or without power very quickly. Also, the people in the layers below don’t know all the details about what is going on in the organization. It’s called “compartmentalization”. The classic analogy is that of a pyramid with power cascading down from an elite few at the top, though it’s probably more complicated than that. For more information, see www.bilderberg.org among other sources for who are some of the elite. They are meeting starting May 30.
Nirvana also stated : "Rule #5. If enough people say the same thing, it might be worthwhile to take note, regardless of what "official" organizations say. For more information as to why, see #4 above."
Just because everyone says its true than it must be true right? To use on of my favorite analogies, everyone believed in witches once, that was a major justification for burning people at the stake. Or just like everyone once "knew" that tomatoes were poisonous. or that everyone once knew that the sun revolved around the earth. This is known as the Appeal to Popularity fallacy or (argumentum ad populum).
Incorrect. I said, "worthwhile to take note", not "worthwhile to believe". Read my wording. It seems you are paying more attention to cutish Latin phrases than the English that I wrote, Bonehead.
|
| |
|
|
KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
Posts: 667
Location: under those cloud-like things |
|
Thu May 30, 2002 1:15 pm
|
|
|
So ForMadeline.. I am curious about the day you discovered they were spraying something overhead. Are you saying you noticed something "not right",, went to your computer to search to see if you could find anything on what this plane was emitting above you, and you discovered "chemtrails", and this site on that fateful day?
Wishing the best to you, and your wife, and new baby to-be!  |
| |
|
|
David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
Posts: 1381
|
|
Thu May 30, 2002 2:58 pm
|
|
|
From Bonehead:
"ForMadeline, you can see what happens here. There are two sides, deeply entrenched, neither willing to give in."
You can also see that no matter the thread or subject matter, debunkers will ALWAYS jump in uninvited and do what they do best, spread dissention, ruin threads, sidetrack conversation, and generally be pests. This person was asking for information, they did not ask for the long long retorical posts that is SO typical of the debunkers.
'If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with $#@#!' seems to be their motto. |
| |
|
|
Unhappy Trails
Joined: 10 May 2002
Posts: 256
Location: Seattle, WA |
|
Thu May 30, 2002 4:23 pm
|
|
|
Well said David. He is just looking for information and support. After reading all of these comments I'm confused with what side of the fence everyone is on. If there are truly disbelievers at this website, why are you here? If there are truly those of you looking for answers and are undecided, why don't you hire a chemical analyst? I have. Do I dare post the results? I sought out this website for support, and after seeing this response to this mans plea, I may take it somewhere else. |
| |
|
|
Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
Posts: 582
|
|
Thu May 30, 2002 4:44 pm
|
|
|
Unhappy Trails, you say: "If there are truly those of you looking for answers and are undecided, why don't you hire a chemical analyst? I have. Do I dare post the results?"
I certainly hope so. Even those among us who are skeptics would be really interested in seeing what your lab found. We need stuff like this. The only time that such a 'report' was made, it was by a person who covered up the truth about the components of rainwater and ended up looking like a complete fraud.
We need your information. I hope you will post it.
------------------
Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 |
| |
|
|
KnewEyes
Joined: 23 Apr 2001
Posts: 667
Location: under those cloud-like things |
|
Thu May 30, 2002 4:44 pm
|
|
|
So true UnHappy Trails..
So many debunkers here lately,that you have to Squeeze through, in order to post something inbetween all the discord they attempt to bring to this board.
That only tells me we are doing something REALLY right here, since they are obviously on 'overtime'.
I even see the debunkers-in-waiting, in the wings, waiting for their cue LOL!
Please do post the chemical analysis here!
Thats what we're all here for!
Just ignore, and step over or around the carpet of hired debunkers.
You know they must be hired and paid for, why else would they dedicate so much time to something they "don't believe exists". |
| |
|
|
FLKook
Joined: 28 Apr 2001
Posts: 710
Location: East Central Florida |
|
Thu May 30, 2002 7:26 pm
|
|
|
Well, the gangs all here...I was getting lonely reading the dusty corners of CTCentral. What a welcome for ForMadeline! Hope you lurked around a while before you posted here so you're not thrown for a loop with the responses you've received. As a group we can be a bit much with our polarized sides.
A helpful thread might be the 17 techniques for truth suppression.. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000558.html
[Edited 1 times, lastly by FLKook on 05-30-2002] |
| |
|
|
noblegas
Joined: 13 May 2002
Posts: 6
|
|
Thu May 30, 2002 11:03 pm
|
|
|
Nirvana spews
"Attempting to persuade the AFO-CIO does not fit into your little list of woo-woo stuff. “…telling everyone and their kin” Yes…that’s a good idea. I’ll not bother discounting the rest this “woo-woo” material, aside from your health ideas perhaps. Judging by your writing style, I’ll bet Rush “Goebbels” Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly are your heroes. Yawn."
No, Nirvana (Religious obviously), Limbaugh and O'Reilly are not my heroes. I am neither left nor right wing, only Full Bird. Who are your heroes? Jimmy Swaggart and The Pope? or left wing hacks like Amy Goodman or The Nation magazine? The AFL-CIO has been co-opted long ago. Along with the teamsters. Conservation of energy is important. I don't waste time on people and organizations that won't or can't do anything. What I am saying is every person should find their own way to deal with Linear People. If you want to push everyone with an intellectual sword, you also need a shield. The health issues are the shield. Set the example. Kooks don't need to know deductive reasoning. Believe, believe, and pray. Oh by the way, Nirvana is the Hindu equal to Christian Heaven. Belief in something later, after life. The shunning of science and technology. Oh yeah, Chemtrails is science gone awry. It's not the technogy, it's the INSANE RELIGIOUS VIEWS OF SOCIETY that causes the problems.If people embraced art and science rather than politics and religion, we probably would have a happier planet. Life extension research is my approach. Why do we not dream anymore of interplanetary travel. RELIGION BABY! The sexist Earth Goddess is not friendly. Nor is the sexist Sky God. Oh, one final note, I do convince Right Wingers about Chemtrails, but Liberals don't want to know anything. Go figure. |
| |
|
|
noblegas
Joined: 13 May 2002
Posts: 6
|
|
Thu May 30, 2002 11:16 pm
|
|
|
ForMadeline,
Almost forgot about you! With all of this flat earthism vs astronomy, you might think we're all nuts. Seriously though, without health you have nothing. So what I originally said was protect yourself, stay fit, and you'll find your own way, like myself and friends. It does rub off. Live Long and Prosper! |
| |
|
|
Unhappy Trails
Joined: 10 May 2002
Posts: 256
Location: Seattle, WA |
|
Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:57 am
|
|
|
ForMadeline, hope all is well with you folks. I need to make a correction on a website I had listed at the beginning of this post. www.cazekiel.org/harbinger/chemtrails. I had originally put a dotcom in there that gets you nowhere fast. Sorry. I hope your symptoms don't get any worse than skin rashes. I hope we didn't scare you off. |
| |
|
|
 
|
|
 Goto page Previous
1, 2
All times are GMT. The time now is Fri May 25, 2012 10:54 am
|
|
|
|
|
Login
