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Astrology was used to predict the birth of Jesus; That's an accepted fact to anyone who studies Bible history.
NOT “astrology”, but ASTRONOMY, you donkey.
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| Astrology v Astronomy
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I was always under the impression the 3 Wise Men were "following yonder star"...navigating to a certain place by using the positioning of a star is astronomy, not astrology, which is a belief that the position of the stars can affect earthly matters and personality etc.
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Thoth108
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| Have I killed this thread ?? Sorry, just being myself....
Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:03 pm
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Sorry if I was hard on you; I'm just against misinformation, and I've done a lot of research into the world religions. Please read these links if you are interested still:
Star of Bethlehem info:
http://www.gotquestions.org/star-of-Bethlehem.html
Wikipedia: Three Wise Men:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
The "Magi" were expecting to find a messiah, as outlined in their own religion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saoshyant
Now, this is what I BELIEVE: ALL RELIGIONS TIE TOGETHER: Zoroastianism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Tribal beliefs, all of it. It's all examples of Channelled Information from the spirit realm, (notice how most religions claim to be "transmissions from gods/spirits"??!) This information from the spirit realm, which is accessible to anyone willing to learn the "hyper-sensitivity" necessary to recieve it, can answer a lot of questions for you all. I reccommend this direct knowledge (from spirits and deities) to information handed down from human culture to human culture. That is a contradiction to what Christians of today believe, as others have pointed out, "divination is against God's will," as is "conversing with spirits and other such sorcery." My belief on those passages in the Bible is two fold:
(1): It was done to keep the profane, ignorant masses of people in the world from accessing magick power and omnipotent information sources that are beyond their understanding, and will only serve them ill. To put it bluntly: God knows that MOST of us should steer clear of powers that are beyond our personal understanding. Stick to what you know.
(2): Much of the Bible was altered to suit political needs over the centuries. No leader would ever want their constituants to have access to Godly knowledge, or to powers that might help them to over-throw the leadership. Government corruption is older than the Bible, and has served to pollute the Bible with much that does not belong in it's pages.
Our spirits reincarnate over and over into various lives as various creatures so that we can LEARN eternal lessons about the reality of the universe. During this learning process cultures change and grow as our spirits, continually reincarnating into new people, learn new lessons building off of the things we've already learned. Jesus Christ is one of a series of teachers, icluding Buddha, who have all agreed to incarnate on Earth to give us teachings. Buddha also predicted the coming of Christ. (I don't know the exact passage / quote for that, but I'll find it if anyone is interested). This helps to further show that all religions are not separate, but are different interpretations of the same divine truths.
 I celebrate you all, and whatever religion you may choose to follow. Follow your inner compass; it is your only candle in this world of darkness. Do not dwell on identifying the "good" and "evil" in the world; it the application of such labels that divide cultures and the people of the world, and make us weaker as a total species. Peace be will all of you!
Let me know if my posts here are just too contradictory to the common theme of this forum; I'll kick it elsewhere on the net if you all just don't vibe with me. I just want to exchange what I know of these topics with everyone. I was brought into a lot of this research by a crowd of people who were convinced that the Illuminati are ruling us all with magick spells cast in the secret chambers of government buildings. I was appalled at their beliefs at first, having been brought up with Druid/Wiccan cultures I didn't (and COULDN'T !) think of magick as something evil. Magick used for evil or selfish purposes backfires on the caster, and lowers his standing before God. Eventually evil magick-users will lose all power other than that afforded them by like minded evil spirits, who are also weak before God. Anyone who intentionally lives his/her life with the best intentions for their fellow Earthly inhabitants shall learn his/her way to Heaven; those who don't just flunk out and reincarnate until they get it right. 
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| Re: Have I killed this thread ?? Sorry, just being myself..
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Let me know if my posts here are just too contradictory to the common theme of this forum; I'll kick it elsewhere on the net if you all just don't vibe with me.
You are OK. Please, don't get discouraged. Although I see that some people seem to feel threatened by your views/belief, I find your posts stimulating intellectually speaking, so it'd be a shame if you felt you should leave this forum. Please, stick around. Look, one of the foundations of the American spirit is freedom of religion.
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Buddha also predicted the coming of Christ. (I don't know the exact passage / quote for that, but I'll find it if anyone is interested).
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Although I was living in Asia for years in the past, I had never heard of that. Yes, I am interested in that. If you could find the credible source, it'd be appreciated.
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Our spirits reincarnate over and over into various lives as various creatures so that we can LEARN eternal lessons about the reality of the universe.
As for the concept of the reincarnation, in Buddhism, being born again to be a human is actually karma, as according to Buddhism. all living things eternally repeat the cycle of life and death in the ‘Six Realms’ (Hell, Hungry Ghost(pretas) , Animal, Human Being, Asura(Demigods), and Deva(god) Realms). In short, being reborn to be a human is sort of mild punishment to have to live in continuous suffering of the earthly living, because s/he couldn't ascend to the enlightened spiritual realm, but far much better than to be reborn as an animal or in the Hell realm. http://images.google.com/images?q=%22hungry+ghost%22+hell+six+realm&ndsp=20&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&start=0&sa=N
(what I wanted to mention was that being immortal doesn't necessarily mean something so wonderful or powerful at least in Buddhism.
By the way, since some people were talking about "fish" in this thread, I wanted to post this.
The Christmas Tree here in ancient carvings shows the Pagan custom... The fish symbol you see today stems from these same pagan customs.... The Roman Pontiff is simply a regurgitation of the old pagan sun god’s hat dating back to Nimrod of Ancient Babylon 2234 B.C.
Please, look at this Nimrod image wearing the fish hat.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10811822@N06/1146933160/
But, here what is a little odd to me is that often I see that Nimrod is considered to be the same deity as the Ba'al.
http://images.google.com/images?q=nimrod+god+fish&btnG=Search+Images&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-41%2CGGLJ%3Aen
http://www.google.com/search?q=nimrod+baal&ndsp=20&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-41,GGLJ:en&sa=N&tab=iw
Here I'm not making any judgmental comment, and welcome any information or insight.
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Thoth108
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| Re: Have I killed this thread ?? Sorry, just being myself..
Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:35 am
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Originally posted by Thoth108
Buddha also predicted the coming of Christ. (I don't know the exact passage / quote for that, but I'll find it if anyone is interested).
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Although I was living in Asia for years in the past, I had never heard of that. Yes, I am interested in that. If you could find the credible source, it'd be appreciated.
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Our spirits reincarnate over and over into various lives as various creatures so that we can LEARN eternal lessons about the reality of the universe.
It appears to be mentioned by Gautama Buddha in the Diamond Sutra; Where he says that 500 years after him another teacher will come. This has been twisted to mean all sorts of people over the years, and there are not many on the internet who share my opinion that it is Jesus that Buddha was talking about. Gautama Buddha died around 500 B.C. (approximately); and ofcourse Jesus was born around 500 years later!
I really like sylphs's post about the "fish" and it's ties to Babylon. Have you all considered that these symbols and "beliefs" may be even OLDER than Babylon ??
The Jews were the keepers of an ANCIENT knowledge ever since there were Jews. This knowledge, I BELIEVE, was handed down from a previous race of people/beings. Some say Atlantis, and/or Lemuria. This "Ancient Knowledge" bloomed forth into the occult, the Mystery schools, Kabbalah; it is THE SOURCE of the Egyptian religions (despite what science/archaeology may believe), and the Druidic religion(s). The previous race of Earthlings left behind everything they knew, and we've been trying to understand it all ever since. I certainly do not believe that the Jews have it all figured out; I don't even think that they're sure WHAT the tree of life is anymore !!!!
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Astrology was used to predict the birth of Jesus; That's an accepted fact to anyone who studies Bible history.
NOT “astrology”, but ASTRONOMY, you donkey.
You are so deeply indoctrinated into the occult you can’t determine the difference between truth and Satan’s trickery.
The "Satan's Trickery" that you refer to is the "illusory reality" that the Buddhists are trying to teach you about. Satan is the Angel of Light; i.e. the trickery of light to make you believe that reality is "real." Nothing that you see is real, and qauntum physics has shown that.
Satan is God's buddy. He is doing you a favor, by making things harder on you so you can grow as a spiritual being. (if there were no adversity in life, what would you have to "gain"??) He isn't so much a fallen angel, as he is a "trickster" god( look that up trickster god on wikipedia if you have to ). You're assumption that he is evil is a mistake made by all Christian followers; and it amounts to the confusion of, "if God made Satan, then why is Satan EVIL ??"
The tesseract / metatron cube is where this MYSTERY presents it's full puzzle. It's a big discussion to show you how this all ties in. Basically Satan keeps you in this reality. You are the fallen angel, kicked out of the garden; to your eyes the kingdom of heaven will not appear. Once you rise up to Christhood, Buddha-hood, or Enlightenment, then the guardian that keeps reality illusory to you can be lifted, and TRUE REALITY can be seen. That's why buddhist renounce all material things. Christians do not renounce the physical world, and so they percieve Satan as an evil being, and are fooled by his deciept.
"The kingdom of Heaven is already before you, but you have not the eyes to see it." - Jesus of Nazareth.
Oh, and Astronomy wasn't astronomy back then. It was astrology. It wasn't "Yonder star" either. Like I've said many a times, "If you're Bible is in ENGLISH you are reading a bad translation." Read the posts I put up about Zoroastrianism and the Magi (3 Wise Men).
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| What is hidden? What is truth?
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Before MAchiavelli popularized the Satan word the people in general were afraid of thier dopelganger coming to replace them in the night.
Before the second century ended in the modern era there were 'zero', that is to say 'no' records of a birth. The previous posts about the pope dressing as Nimrod are in fact the roots of the truth that Christianity is really the most insidious perversion of the Gnostic Jewish truth. Do you think someone outside your experience has control over your life? The answer is obvious? What is less obvious is that when you kneel at the altar and take communion you are endorsing 'cannibalism' and Vampirism while the crucified image of Christ is in effect Sado-Masichism. Granted I was raised by a pentacostal- freemason- pedophile; but I challenge anyone to go ask thier priest if Cannibalism, vampirism and masochism is acceptable. When HE says "no" Like I was told then point to the altar and ask why it's okay to do the same thing in church.
In summary I'd like to agree with the previous posts about NESARA. One person channelling ascended masters will ultimately expose themselves by not revealing new information or, as we see in Dove, we have no end of excuses about delays and reasons why the end of these alien brothers and sisters never actually materialize. She does however give/channel/plagerizez a very complete mastery of Gnostic doctrine. I know first hand that any 'real' ascended master will not interfere with our free will. Ultimately we must stop the gang of criminals who have taken control of our beloved American and Canadian governments. What is hidden within our grasp is the occult truth that inside of ten minutes we, as a people, can do as Ghandi did and Jayzu idealizes for us by not cooperating with the souls ( like Cheney and Rockefelor) who all of us intuitely know are the great architects of the chemtrails and the current preparations for global war underway in Russia, China and Japan. Those fools have awakened the Asian Dragon during the past two weeks. By using occult gnosis we are free... Budha teaches the path of action as Karma-Yoga. Thus, for my soul, theere is no choice anymore but to post signs all over Vancouver and begin [picketting} lawful-passive resistance against those who only understand brute force. |
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This is a great thread. Lots of good research here. Thanks for all the efforts. Thoth. Good work in particular. I enjoyed the History of Eqypt from Gutenberg. Going to have to spend some time on that one.
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Swedishoo
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This is a great thread. Lots of good research here.
I agree...once you filter out all the New Age, anti-religion, vampire, astrology CRAP, then yes, it's got a few good things. The Penrose tiles are nice links. |
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Good video PI
Speaking of Aleister Crowley...
Here's an interesting read about the possibility of Barbara Bush being Aleister Crowley's daughter.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html
After further researching this I can firmly state that I seriously doubt that this is true. The story is interesting and Barbara Bush's mother may have strayed, but I truely believe that Marvin Pierce IS her father. Barbara looks just like her dad, no doubt.
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TheFetch
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| Re: What is hidden? What is truth?
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[quote="cj_in_vancouver"]Before MAchiavelli popularized the Satan word the people in general were afraid of thier dopelganger coming to replace them in the night.
Before the second century ended in the modern era there were 'zero', that is to say 'no' records of a birth. The previous posts about the pope dressing as Nimrod are in fact the roots of the truth that Christianity is really the most insidious perversion of the Gnostic Jewish truth. [quote]
I don't know how anyone can fit anything into a Jewish mold, as it were, relative to Western esotericism. There are been a near 1000 year campaign to fuse Jewish esoteric thought to what was essentially Osirian and Isian (Isisian) mystery traditions. The whole Jesus myth is really a pretty wicked obfuscation of the Osirian Mystery traditions with a rather overt twisting of the formulas by a factor of 90 degrees.
Trying to fit Christianity into a Jewish mold is what destroys Christianity completely. If it stays true to its Osirian roots, it maintains some cognizant purities. Jehovian influence proves to be a literal disaster.
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Do you think someone outside your experience has control over your life? The answer is obvious? What is less obvious is that when you kneel at the altar and take communion you are endorsing 'cannibalism' and Vampirism while the crucified image of Christ is in effect Sado-Masichism.
This is a great point, something I have often argued for equally.
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Granted I was raised by a pentacostal- freemason- pedophile; but I challenge anyone to go ask thier priest if Cannibalism, vampirism and masochism is acceptable. When HE says "no" Like I was told then point to the altar and ask why it's okay to do the same thing in church.
In summary I'd like to agree with the previous posts about NESARA. One person channelling ascended masters will ultimately expose themselves by not revealing new information or, as we see in Dove, we have no end of excuses about delays and reasons why the end of these alien brothers and sisters never actually materialize. She does however give/channel/plagerizez a very complete mastery of Gnostic doctrine. I know first hand that any 'real' ascended master will not interfere with our free will. Ultimately we must stop the gang of criminals who have taken control of our beloved American and Canadian governments. What is hidden within our grasp is the occult truth that inside of ten minutes we, as a people, can do as Ghandi did and Jayzu idealizes for us by not cooperating with the souls ( like Cheney and Rockefelor) who all of us intuitely know are the great architects of the chemtrails and the current preparations for global war underway in Russia, China and Japan. Those fools have awakened the Asian Dragon during the past two weeks. By using occult gnosis we are free... Budha teaches the path of action as Karma-Yoga. Thus, for my soul, theere is no choice anymore but to post signs all over Vancouver and begin [picketting} lawful-passive resistance against those who only understand brute force.
Interesting. Very interesting. I tend to agree with what you are saying here. Since the Illuminatus forces are using Occult doctrines, then the act of understanding them with the mind to counter them intellectually causes difficulties in the larger plan as part of the game plan is to completely obliterate the Occult truths so that their truth as they manifest it becomes "a truth" even as it proves to be based on pure frauds and lies.
These people involved in all manner of vampyrric games are really sick at a spiritual level and they require to work in the dark in order to truly funtion. There is just too much caustic material that truth plays against they who understand the negative source of energy they serve and feed.
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TheFetch
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| Re: Have I killed this thread ?? Sorry, just being myself..
Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:57 am
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[quote="sylphs"] quote:
Originally posted by Thoth108
Let me know if my posts here are just too contradictory to the common theme of this forum; I'll kick it elsewhere on the net if you all just don't vibe with me.
Sylphs. This is one of the best posts I have seen in a really long time relative to this genre. Nice work and thanks for the links and research...
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But, here what is a little odd to me is that often I see that Nimrod is considered to be the same deity as the Ba'al.
http://images.google.com/images?q=nimrod+god+fish&btnG=Search+Images&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-41%2CGGLJ%3Aen
http://www.google.com/search?q=nimrod+baal&ndsp=20&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-41,GGLJ:en&sa=N&tab=iw
Here I'm not making any judgmental comment, and welcome any information or insight.
I think it is Thoth that is commenting on the Fish part of the formula. Here is another take on it.
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Ishtar is commented as saying after the Deluge that "now my creatures, whom I gave birth to, shall live as so many fish in the sea!". The Sea in this case is the atmosphere of Earth, which I believe too is covered here elsewhere.
In the word FIS(H) is a particular code.
F = 6
IS = I3 = IX = 9
H is the ending or Pi
The Isisian Codes, which is crafted by what we can term Baconian forces, but used by many, places that prepositional phrases mean precisely what they say, that prepositions are pre- positioned, and so there are all manner of subtle underlying letter plays in various words that need to be factored into the analysis.
FIX is of course "what came before the word", as in PRE-FIX, wherein F is 6 and IX is 9, which when placed back on top of each other will give the Spiral Galaxy or the Yin/Yang symbol.
So many plays going on literally on so many levels.
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Thoth108
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| Manly P. Hall's "The Secret Teachings of All Ages"
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Fetch - If you have a copy of Manly Hall's, "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" then there is an abundance of FISH related coincidences around that time that the author exudes upon(it's a good book for this kind of research). I really think it has a tie-in to the survivors of Atlantis, who spread out amongst the world. They brought with them their culture, wisdom, and knowledge, and since they came from the sea they are equated to fish in the myths and legends that we see today.
Then theres this; Jesus was born under Pisces(fish) Read this link for the details on the precession of the equinoxes:
Jung's theory
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyages/jungageofpisces.htm
The Age of Pisces(according to Carl Jung in this case):
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyages/ageofpisces.htm
(I looked these links up hastely, since I didn't have better references on hand; the point is Jesus was born under Pisces, the Fish symbol).
Before the Age of Pisces was the Age of Aries; and before that the Age of Taurus. During those Ages the symbols of Bulls and Rams can be seen in all the world religions(those that have left monuments). To some, it is the progression of the Sun God religions. Once Jesus of Nazareth is born, then everyone starts sporting the Fish symbols. This again is a tie in to Zoroastrianism, which was an intelligent, priestly group of fellows who were looking into the astrological charts for an Avatar; a Messiah.
The Atlanteans handed us the Mystery religions, and thus magick and the occult and all that we are seeking the source of in our search for Truth. Atlantis was a fully developed culture when we(the current world races) were fishing/farming civilizations practicing Pagansim. They(Atlantean survivors) are recorded as "fish" or "fishmen" in the myths and legends because they came from the sea(and who knows, really, what Atlanteans might have looked like; we can only ASSUME that they were humans like Us!). It seems like a plausible theory, right ? 
 This is all off point to the Flower of Life discussion though; has anyone had any further thoughts on that ?
Some interesting notes on the Star of Bethlehem that the wise men followed:
http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/
I saw this guy on History Channel; and I give his theory two thumbs up. Call me a hethan, but I believe that Jesus and Astrology go hand in hand. Thus the fish symbol that circulates at his time, since he's the Avatar born for the Age of Pisces. (In the Christian world I consider myself most closely attuned to the Gnostic teachings.).
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