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PacerLJ35
Joined: 18 Apr 2002
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Contrail photos...or are they chemtrails?
 Fri May 31, 2002 6:56 pm
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Here are some photos from my own camera:
http://www.geocities.com/pacerlj35/photos1.html
Take a look...this is what we "debunker" pilots keep saying is NORMAL and what we have been seeing everyday for our entire careers. |
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plutobeach
Joined: 04 May 2001
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:09 pm
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PacerLJ35,
Great pics. I'm a current airline guy with former charter/corporate experience in the LR-20's and the LR-35. The 35 model was the same as your model without the TACAN and the new TCAS readout. Nice bird.
Show them some night pics of St Elmos' fire shooting 40 feet ahead of the tiptanks and shooting of the bird splitter.
Then again, maybe not. A few might try to get a ticket on the Hale Bopp comet.
Cheers and don't forget the center tank  |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:23 pm
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Did you consult Flight Explorer?
If they were from military tankers that left highly-persistent trails that didn't correspond to any variations in atmospheric conditions like increased localized moisture or colder temps, then they probably were Chemtrails. |
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PacerLJ35
Joined: 18 Apr 2002
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Location: Millbrook, AL, USA |
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:31 pm
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I didn't need to consult flight explorer because I saw most of them. Delta, Continental, United, etc. I tried taking pics of the actual airplanes, but my digital camera won't show the jets that well...they show up as white blips that kinda resemble airplanes...but visually (with my Mk. 1 eyeball), I could make out the liveries, that and Center was talking to them too and I could correlate who was were using the radio, TCAS and looking at them visually.
Another reason why I don't buy the tanker story? We routinely fly to tanker bases nationwide, and I've flown in tankers before. Many of my good friends are tanker pilots. If they were being used for some secret plot, then why doesn't the security police shuffle us away from the flightline? Why can we taxi straight past all the tankers...get out and even walk past the tankers without so much as a look from the SPs? |
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Thermit
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:39 pm
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Oh, then I guess you were just trolling, since you already knew they were contrails. Trolling won't get you very far here...
Your tanker story is nice but irrelevent since you probably wouldn't be let anywhere near any black ops areas on the ground or in the air. But sometimes the best place to hide something is right in the open. Just a thought...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 05-31-2002] |
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PacerLJ35
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:48 pm
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You're right. I won't get near "black ops" areas. But the problem is, there just aren't very many military airfields that are restricted in that way. I'm not going to get into a debate over which ones are where, but I'm certain that I have a pretty good understanding of what airfields do what, considering the airfield info I have available to me that you do not.
On the other hand, you may call it trolling, but I posted the photos to ask a simple question...are those contrails that I posted considered "chemtrails" by those who believe in the conspiracy, or did I just take photos of contrails. I know what kind of aircraft created them, but since we're all after the truth, why not admit that contrails that turn into cirrus clouds and linger all day aren't necessarily chemtrails.
And as far as relevance goes for the tanker story, I still haven't figured out why you think my friends would have no problem spraying me or their families. They are human like you and it's interesting that there hasn't been a single break in the chain of silence that is supposed to encircle the alleged chemtrail plot.
That, and the claims that these lingering contrails didn't exist prior to a few years ago is also an internet urban legend. |
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PacerLJ35
Joined: 18 Apr 2002
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:49 pm
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BTW...I wasn't trolling...if you read any of the captions and notes, it's clear that I do not think they are chemtrails. |
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eyesopen
Joined: 25 Apr 2001
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Fri May 31, 2002 7:51 pm
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posted by Clipfed at Carnicom's:
"I am in the north Texas area & the same thing is happening up here almost daily. Contact Congressman Ron Paul of Houston. He recently did an interview on TV about chemtrails & other crimes being commited by the government. He even had some film footage of the spraying. "
Seems there are at least a couple officials that think differently from you Pacer - are they nuts too? |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri May 31, 2002 8:14 pm
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why not admit that contrails that turn into cirrus clouds and linger all day aren't necessarily chemtrails.
Okay...
Contrails that turn into cirrus clouds and linger all day aren't Chemtrails at all. They are just persistent contrails.
I still haven't figured out why you think my friends would have no problem spraying me or their families. They are human like you...
If they are spraying something intended to protect against biological warfare, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be more than happy to spray their families to afford them the protection too. Sure a few sensitives might get sick, but that's a similar tradeoff to vaccinations. This would also explain why no one is busting down the door to blow the whistle. Why risk your career, your freedom, to expose something intended to help? Not much to be gained, but plenty to lose... |
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everetteyes
Joined: 15 May 2002
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Fri May 31, 2002 8:26 pm
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I belive your best point was made with the fact that so far someone with insider info
has not come forward and blown the whistle.
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plutobeach
Joined: 04 May 2001
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Fri May 31, 2002 8:47 pm
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"If they are spraying something intended to protect against biological warfare, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be more than happy to spray their families to afford them the protection too. Sure a few sensitives might get sick, but that's a similar tradeoff to vaccinations. This would also explain why no one is busting down the door to blow the whistle. Why risk your career, your freedom, to expose something intended to help? Not much to be gained, but plenty to lose"...Thermit
Thermit,
Sounds good, but remember the Anthrax vaccination debate in the military? Many of the guys who said "BS" to the vaccine were Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve pilots which comprises much of the tanker fleet. Ask PacerLJ35, many quit, raised a stink, sued, and went public and I believe somebody was court martialed.
The tanker guys especially, and most military pilots would raise hell and not believe goverment claims if they were dumping crap on their friends and families homes, no matter what was promised by Uncle Sam. Airline pilots too would be going apechit if they witness some dumping or spraying near them. Many of them are ex-military too. I would too, except that all I see everytime I fly up close is contrails.
I read your study Thermit. Nice observations. Spend another $9.95 and keep watching. Tell Carnicom to get it too. Its amazing that guys like him who live under one of the busiest east west corridors in the country won't comment on the amount of civil traffic overhead. In your case Thermit, Houston isn't in one of the busiest areas. My guess is that bombers and tankers from places like Barksdale in LA come train over mid-south Texas to avoid the crowds of airliners over Shreveport, why? I've seen them headed that way and pointed out on a public ATC frequency by the controllers.
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Duncan Kunz
Joined: 19 Oct 2000
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Fri May 31, 2002 9:12 pm
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"Congressman Ron Paul of Houston.... recently did an interview on TV about chemtrails & other crimes being commited by the government."
I met Dr. Paul in 1988 When he was running for President on the Libertarian Party ticket (I was active in his campaign). I consider him one of the very few (if not the only) living congrescritter who actually lives up to his responsibilities as a citizen-legislator and an adherent of the United States Constitution.
I have reviewed all his press releases back to 1997 and fail to find any mention of chemtrails in any of them. I would really like to see just where and when it was that Dr. Paul spoke about chemtrails, and what it was he said.
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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Deborah
Joined: 30 Jul 2000
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Fri May 31, 2002 9:15 pm
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Wow.
Advance of The Third Phalanx.
Must be Friday. |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri May 31, 2002 9:23 pm
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remember the Anthrax vaccination debate in the military? Many of the guys who said "BS" to the vaccine were Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve pilots which comprises much of the tanker fleet...
Yes, I remember. Anthrax vaccination would take care of everyone in the military, but how to get the public...hmm...
Are you are really suggesting that they are using the Reserves for black ops?  |
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PacerLJ35
Joined: 18 Apr 2002
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Fri May 31, 2002 10:01 pm
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"Yes, I remember. Anthrax vaccination would take care of everyone in the military, but how to get the public...hmm..."
You said that the tanker pilots would happily spray people if told by Uncle Sam that it's good for 'em. But the whole point about bringing up the Anthrax vaccine was that there were a large number of Air Force pilots, active and reserve, that were raising a big stink about it and saying "No" to taking it.
So, again, the point is if the pilots would raise questions about Anthrax, then why are they staying mum on any kind of "spraying operation"?
"Are you are really suggesting that they are using the Reserves for black ops?"
Check out these:
Air Force Reserve Command-
http://www.afrc.af.mil/919sow/about919/about919sow.htm
Pennsylvania Air National Guard-
http://www.paharr.ang.af.mil/start.html
Those are some of the air assets. The Army National Guard has a number of Special Forces units throughout the country.
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