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Blog Site:The End of The World and the signs that precede it

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Do you think the sun will rise from the west?
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GAF





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Blog Site:The End of The World and the signs that precede it PostThu Jul 12, 2007 6:14 am  Reply with quote  

I am doing the research....
please read my full blog posts and post you comments....

http://sunriseinwest.blogspot.com/ (Scientific facts about the sun rising from the west)

http://theendtimesresearch.blogspot.com/ (The Tribe that will apear before the end - Where are they ?...

Post links/videos to your site or if it is relevant I will leave as a resource.
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Huh? PostThu Jul 12, 2007 8:34 am  Reply with quote  

Shocked I don't get it?

So you think that if the Earth's polarity shifted that the sun would rise on the west? Hehehehehehe

Go ask an Austrialian if the sun rises on the west.

LOLOLOL
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PostThu Jul 12, 2007 9:20 am  Reply with quote  

The shift in the magnetic fields of the Poles would cause the Earth to spin in the opposite direction than it currently is. Therefore the Sun would APPEAR to rise from the West. Did you know that in the North Pole, the sun never really sets.
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PostMon Jul 16, 2007 7:04 am  Reply with quote  

Most likely not possible and will never happen in your lifetime, GAF!


quote:
Did you know that in the North Pole, the sun never really sets.


Sure it does!

It just doesn't happen in 24 hours.

Summer in sunlight and winter in darkness.
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PostMon Jul 16, 2007 7:57 am  Reply with quote  

Hello

Sorry for that... The Verse that I am referring to in the Quran doesn't say that the Sun NEVER EVER sets... Please understand that my research is very amateur so I can't GUARANTEE that the North Pole was the region referred to in the Quranic Verse. I am just exploring the POSSIBLITIES of where all this might have taken place.

My theory is based on the idea that the incident took place in extremely ancient times and perhaps before the more well known prohets were sent to Earth.

You see the Earth had many civilisations in the past. There were nations that progressed to suxh levels of development that their pride destroyed them. I will post more stories about that in the future.
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PostMon Jul 16, 2007 8:30 am  Reply with quote  


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perhaps before the more well known prohets were sent to Earth.


What prophets were sent to Earth?
And more importantly, sent to Earth from where?
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PostMon Jul 16, 2007 9:59 am  Reply with quote  

Brother...

There were many prophets 'sent to Earth'. We were created to live in Jannah (Paradise) we not meant for this world (Earth+Universe). They were sent from Jannah.

In fact from Islamic History we learn that every single nation that lived had its own Messenger... this is why when you 'dig' into the History of a nation or people from wherver in the world, you fill see a lot of Islamic teachings. The problem is that 'Traditions' and prejudiced people living among these civilisations hid some of the Truths from the people for their own personal reasons etc. This is why today we have confusion.
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PostTue Jul 17, 2007 7:00 am  Reply with quote  

Now I’m not knocking Islam, GAF, by any means, because a lot of great things came from the Arabic world to the west, such as mosaics and the numerical system we use today. However, you make it sound as though the religion of Islam throughout the Middle East has been around a long time and it has not. Matter of fact, Islam is quite a recent religion….since around 600 AD. The sad truth is, is that the Arabic people were without religion for a long long time, with some reluctantly adhering to the Torah, until Muhammad came along. People need faith and this is one of the reasons I think the Muslim religion was good for the people. Personally, and don’t get angry, this is just my opinion, but I believe that when Muhammad went to the mountains to receive revelations from Arch Angel Gabriel and then returned to retell this knowledge to a scribe (because he couldn’t read or write) that he really went to the mountain to spend time with a mountain dweller who had a bible and who read it to him. Judaism and Christianity were already well established religions at that time and with the Torah and the Gospels already in circulation. Reading the Christian bible and the Jewish Torah (which is the 5 books of Moses or also known as the Old Testament) and the Islamic Qur’an, one can easily tell that Muhammad was influenced by books already written. Just as when you say Jannah, you mean paradise or heaven, when you say prophet, you mean born a man, given the Word from God.

Christy
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PostTue Jul 17, 2007 2:11 pm  Reply with quote  

if this is a discussion on religion, shouldn't it be moved to the spirit forum starman?

swedishoo... javla svenska for fanden! snak dansk du....hehe
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PostTue Jul 17, 2007 2:28 pm  Reply with quote  

quote:
Originally posted by raze78
if this is a discussion on religion, shouldn't it be moved to the spirit forum starman?

swedishoo... javla svenska for fanden! snak dansk du....hehe

I was thinking the same thing when it began, so I gave it the benefit of doubt, but I think your right so I have moved it.
I don't think that just because someone mention's their belief and quote's it's source generally require's categorization, but when the central theme becomes centered around that source and belief it does become something of a spiritual natured topic.
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PostTue Jul 17, 2007 3:41 pm  Reply with quote  

It's pretty pathetic to have to do a search in order to find the conversation I was in. If this thread was originally in "spirit" I would not have even read it to begin with. I never go to the spirit section. So I take it Thermit has left you two in charge? I can see keeping an organized board, but as far as nit picking the content WHILE it's taking place is very Natzi-like. For your information, I was planning on bringing the subject back to GAF's whacked-out theroy of pole flopping. But I tell you what, since you like controlling the thread so much, you finish the conversation.
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PostTue Jul 17, 2007 3:51 pm  Reply with quote  

sry dude. I don't work here. PS. only reason i suggested it is because some people might have been offended by religious talk etc...
so sorry.
Ps. I thought you were swedish. r u?
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PostTue Jul 17, 2007 11:15 pm  Reply with quote  

quote:
Originally posted by Swedishoo
It's pretty pathetic to have to do a search in order to find the conversation I was in. If this thread was originally in "spirit" I would not have even read it to begin with. I never go to the spirit section. So I take it Thermit has left you two in charge? I can see keeping an organized board, but as far as nit picking the content WHILE it's taking place is very Natzi-like. For your information, I was planning on bringing the subject back to GAF's whacked-out theroy of pole flopping. But I tell you what, since you like controlling the thread so much, you finish the conversation.

As a moderator on this site, it is within the duties to move threads to the appropriate forum, the original post consist of links which are religious in nature. The newly registered poster initially made several post of similar nature which I also moved to the spirit forum...
I do not appreciate your criticism comparing me to "Natzi-like" anything.
I moved the thread, with an explanation, and if that doesn't bode well with you sorry.
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PostWed Jul 18, 2007 3:41 am  Reply with quote  

If you do not appreciate criticism then you are not doing your job well.

A moderator eager to improve forum quality would listen to a poster that complains about moving active threads while in use. How rude! And it shows me you enjoy throwing around your moderator power to control others, content and situations.

Christy
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PostThu Jul 19, 2007 9:07 am  Reply with quote  

Christy please read...

I want to start by saying that Islam was around since the beginning of this universe. The Prophet and First man on Earth, Adam, taught Islam to his children. Any Prophet that taught his people to submit to One Creator in essense spread the word of Islam.

Concerning your issue with the Quran and its Revelation to our Nabi, Muhammad (SAW):

One of the most common myths about the Qur’an, is that Usman (r.a.), the third Caliph of Islam authenticated and compiled one Qur’an, from a large set of mutually contradicting copies. The Qur’an, revered as the Word of Allah (swt) by Muslims the world over, is the same Qur’an as the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. We will examine the roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur’an authenticated.

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an


Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. – Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) – May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired


The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.

3. Qur’an copied on one common material


The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.

4. Usman (r.a.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript


Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.).

Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.

There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

5. Diacritical marks were added for non-Arabs


The original manuscript of the Qur’an does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.

Some people argue that the present copy of the Qur’an that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Qur’an that was present at the Prophet’s time. But they fail to realize that the word ‘Qur’an’ means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Qur’an is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.

6. Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an


Allah has promised in the Qur’an :

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). [Al-Qur’an 15:9]

source: http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/22.php
Also read Arab History: http://www.arab-american-affairs.net/archives/arab-history.htm
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