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perverted_introvert
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I disagree. I've witnessed evolution first hand in the lab. It is a process that not only exists, but which can be measured. A lot of work has been done with Drosophila Melonogaster, a species of fruit flies that reproduces quite quickly.
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In nature it takes billions of years for changes to occur.
The Earth is 5 billion years old, this statement makes little sense to me.
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only way a species "evolves" is if man interferes scientifically and genetically alters a species, which can be done today, and has been done in the what historical written past we are allowed to view.
Then where did man come from? Where did his creators come from?
If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain the relationship between flowers and bees? They both adapt to each other through millions and hundreds of millions of generations. Most mutations are harmful to the organism, but if you have 100 million organisms each reproducing once a year, over a million years, the numbers start to make a lot of sense.
Back to the original argument.
I believe in God and the theory of evolution. I don't believe the two are mutally exclusive. Here's the order of creation presented in Genesis, please compare it with the current pattern of evolution:
http://www.bartleby.com/108/01/1.html#S1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: 2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. 2 Pet. 3.5 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, 1 Cor. 11.7 after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Mt. 19.4 · Mk. 10.6
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No Way Oligarchs
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:05 pm
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PI: I'm assuming you are aware that Genesis 2 offers an entirely different account, in which man is created from dust BEFORE the other animals. That being the case, might I ask how you view Gen 2? Is it disinfo I can safely ignore?
Also, you claim to have seen evolution for yourself. I'm extremely intrigued by this. Please could you provide documentary evidence of the evolution of, say, one genus into another?
Thanks.
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PAK
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:07 pm
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If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain the relationship between flowers and bees? They both adapt to each other through millions and hundreds of millions of generations. Most mutations are harmful to the organism, but if you have 100 million organisms each reproducing once a year, over a million years, the numbers start to make a lot of sense.
That's not evolution, that is adaptation. All organisms can and do adapt to their environment. Human beings are the most adaptable species on the planet. We can live anywhere and survive.
I majored in history and minored in Anthropology. NONE of my professors could give PROOF that evolution has occurred. It is all based on supposition. If we evolved from APES then apes would no longer exist, as they would not have "survived" according to the theory of evolution because they are not fit enough to survive. Evolution is the elite's religion, it is their belief in their right, through might to rule over the lessers of society.
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PAK
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:40 pm
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Also note in Genesis there are two creations, as NO Way points out. The plural is used, (this is the Elite's view that they are the true Gods of this Earth).
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26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, 1 Cor. 11.7 after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Mt. 19.4 • Mk. 10.6
Now in Genesis 2, God creates Adam, from the dirt, to "till the soil" as there was no one to do the work for the Gods first created. But, wait a minute here, you have the first creation, both male/female in one, you know like BaPhoMet, the perfect human being androgynous Later, Eve is created from Adam, but curiously, the Bible then gives you a very important clue in regards to men and women. Adam calls EVE the "mother of all living" (much like Isis). This would make Eve both Adam's mother and wife. Archeological finds to date show that the oldest living human is a female, out of Africa, dated at 190,000 years old. The oldest male found is about 80,000 years old, also in Africa. Women rule, men drool (that's my little joke here as we must keep our sense of humor).
So, PI, we have a singular GOD, who refers to himself in the plural form, to justify a system based on Eugenics, pure and simple, as all the begatting in the Old Testament is about an Eugenics program, survival of the fittest, yadayadayada. And of course, the first Gods are Androgynous (both male/female in one, very similar to King Tut, Akhenaten (originally known as Amen-otep).
It is very interesting, reading "Ages in Chaos" and other books, where the Black Sea, which today archeologists have discovered, there was a city there-buried underneath,which the Vedas (ancient India texts) say that the Black Sea was once a huge city, with a huge laboritories for the experimentation on human beings, you know, to see how they react to certain stimulii, their response, and this went very badly because the humans who were experimented upon started EATING each other (wow Cain-Abel or Cannibal), so the valley was FLOODED, now known as the BLACK SEA, in order to kill off these degerenate humans. They do still live as the Aztec culture, who actually kept a slave population of humans for cannibalism, for their "religious" rites. Priests are a deviant group. They are the PREY-ers, that's why you say your Pray-ers at night, same SPOKEN WORD, as GOD SPOKE THE WORD - so mote it BEE.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:45 am
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I am out of town for a week and will not be able to post. In the meantime, I will give this subject some thought and come back with an answer. Thanks for the interest, it's a worthy topic for discussion.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:07 pm
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As for the Robber Barons, read Anthony Sutton's work on Skull and Bones society. This man was no conspiracy theorist, he researched the families of this secret society and revealed that basically, these men are nothing but juvenile delinquents, they use the Pirates flag, the same symbol for poison for their motto. These men have used their power based on corruption, murder, lies and deceit to totally undermine America, all very repectable of course. Now you have GW, a third generation bonesman, running our country into the ground, and able to get Congress to pass legislation (Patriot Acts) that not even Hitler could get away with. He did it all by posing as a "Conservative Christian" and convincing the country he was "born again". Well, bonesmen are "born again", like freemasons, and they see the light, the light of power and corruption. Shakespeare said "All the World's a Stage" and these guys are great actors.
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