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sicntired
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If construction workers felt the bridge wobbling, why didn't we see any wobbling at all prior to the collapse? I have seen videos of bridge collapses before and there was quite a bit of twisting before the actual collapse. I am no engineer, but it seems that the crack would have to be major and run along a large portion of the width of the bridge in order for it to just shear off like that. If that is the case, inspection would have revealed impending disaster long ago. |
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perverted_introvert
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| Economics of Architecture
Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:18 pm
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I watched the videos about WTC building. These are very diabolical creatures who could have a building erected with explosives already in them.
Most developers are NOT in a building project for the long term. Many times a project is bought and sold several times before it has even been completed. Therefore, the original builders are ALL ABOUT COST. There is no way they would even consider buying explosives to install in a building during construction to save some 3rd or 50th party some money long after they've left a project. This expenditure would be a loss in their eyes, and they wouldn't even think about it.
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sicntired
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:52 pm
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Thanks PI for bringing this conversation back to reality. Good save. |
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PAK
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:41 am
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The problem is, they have technology that is beyond what we have been given. I myself, only deduce it from articles read in magazines like Scientific America and other magazines or checking out websites like Raytheon and Sandia along with the UN's scientific planetary meetings which they post. They definitely have the technology to pinpoint accurately, through satillites, where they want to create a catastrophe. It's a no brainer. You can GOOGLE a person's residence, check it out, but they have "real time" accurate video not for fun. It's like the computer game SIM CITY where you could create a city, and destroy it anytime you wanted, by war, pestulance, or weather warfare. The fact that Marvin Bush was the head of security for the Twin Towers is too much for me. It's like believing that there is no dynasty in Chicago, when a Daly is still a Mayor and his cohort is a Mayor in Rockford. It's just a big coincidence.
Or the Queen of England is just a joke, well the joke is on US, or U.S. or Nous. There is NO-US. but Just-US not for you and me but THEM. And they aren't ALIENS.
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perverted_introvert
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:44 am
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That may be. I'm just saying that no builder I've ever known would willingly take on this expense. Our builders take off all the trim on their buildings to save a few dollars, I couldn't imagine them taking that immense financial burden upon themselves.
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PAK
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:50 am
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That may be. I'm just saying that no builder I've ever known would willingly take on this expense. Our builders take off all the trim on their buildings to save a few dollars, I couldn't imagine them taking that immense financial burden upon themselves
No builder in America can build a building, bridge, house, deck or whatever without the approval of a govt. approved inspector. I can't even add onto my house, a small deck, without getting a building permit which has to be approved by the govt., local, state, that has to meet federal building codes, which today are now global through the UN.
That means, the bridges, or buildings, have to be inspected by govt. agencies, so this has nothing to do with the builder unless that builder has a "below" agreement with the govt. - as above so below. Only a builder who has an inspector who will then turn a blind eye to any short cuts the builder takes, can a builder get away with using substandard materials, and building. This happens all the time but only because it's approved and there is some payoff.
As for the bridge, I am sure it was at this point substandard and approved by govt. yet, the video suggests something else, something that would force the collapse. It was too perfect and uniform to be a completely structural fault.
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perverted_introvert
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:01 am
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This is an entirely more plausible excuse than the Russians using sound weapons to down a bridge in the middle of nowhere.
Let's not forget the bridge to nowhere project in Alaska. A lot of well needed money is diverted toward political ends. Not every conspiracy has to be far fetched. Most of them involve every day common crooks.
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No Way Oligarchs
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| Yer bridge wuz fooked!
Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:21 pm
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State bridge inspectors warned for nearly a decade before its collapse that the Interstate 35W bridge had "severe" and "extensive" corrosion of its beams and trusses, "widespread cracking" in spans and missing or broken bolts.
Not only was the superstructure in poor condition, but certain components were "beyond tolerable limits," and one of the bridge's piers had "tilted to the north," they reported.
By 2000, the inspectors wrote that "eventual replacement of the entire structure would be preferable" to redecking the bridge. They added: "If bridge replacement is significantly delayed, the bridge should be re-decked."
Full article here: http://www.startribune.com/10204/story/1350090.html
(By the way, the precedents for explosive installation during manufacture, which I never in any way related to this bridge affair, are in the Far East. As if anyone cares)
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No Way Oligarchs
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:35 pm
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Look out, here comes the spin:
Potential flaw seen in design of fallen bridge...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/us/09bridge.html
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pirate118
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:37 pm
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OK, just saw some video replay of the recovery effort for this and it struck me, everything I have noted lately has been video credited from the defense department, nothing form a local TV station, is that something normal that I just noticed?
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No Way Oligarchs
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Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:20 am
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Pirate: I don't know, but have you seen this yet?
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=14118
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sylphs
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Although this is not directly related to the topic of the bridge here, I wanted to post it as I thought of this as interesting.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/brightskies5.htm
Tom Bearden website
EARTHQUAKE INDUCING ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS USED AT KOBE?
On 17 January 1995, the Japanese city of Kobe was struck by a massive earthquake that devastated much of the city, killing over 5,500 people and injuring many thousands more. Shoko Asahara, the leader of the Japanese Aum Supreme Truth (Aum Shinrikyo) sect, had surprisingly predicted, in a Tokyo radio broadcast on 8 January 1995, that a major quake would soon occur at Kobe. Asahara went even further and stated that this quake would be initiated by a "a foreign power" utilising an electromagnetic (EM) weapons system.
Aum's Science Minister Hideo Murai later stated at the Foreign Press Correspondents' Club in Tokyo on 7 April 1995 that, "There is a possibility that the great Hanshin [Kobe] earthquake was activated by electromagnetic power or some device that exerts energy into the ground."
Although Asahara would undoubtedly have preferred his great predictive powers to be thought of as due to a highly developed and superior spiritual ability to examine the future time-track (thus attracting more gullible followers after this quake event), it is far more likely that he was fed warning intelligence re Kobe by Aum's Science Minister Murai, and/or Japanese Intelligence operatives who themselves were forewarned by Russian KGB officials.
In his pre-Aum days, Hideo Murai had worked on highly advanced microwave and gamma/cosmic-ray physics applications for cold moulding of steel at the Kobe Steel laboratories. This laboratory complex was located at the near-exact epicentre of the great Kobe earthquake. Japanese investigative journalists believe that this Kobe laboratory was one of several research facilities (located at Osaka, Tsukuba and Tokyo universities) engaged in top-secret research and development of EM weapons technology under the cover of Kobe Steel industrial research and/or environmental "desert-greening" studies.
The Aum's deputy leader, Kiyohide Hayakawa, in his pre-Aum days studied at Osaka University in the Landscape Engineering section of the Environmental Engineering department. His thesis is highly confidential and not available to the public, but allegedly contains only "landscape gardening" studies. There is some suggestion that his area of study included the use of advanced EM weapons technology in Weather Engineering. Japanese scientists from their EM weapon research university departments are today conducting extensive field observations of Eastern Goldfields weather patterns and the factors required to "green" our Australian deserts - on behalf of the Japanese Environmental Ministry and our Western Australian Government.
Certain public observations on exotic cloud formations, new weather patterns, and unusually wet weather suggest to this author that experiments in weather engineering involving EM weapons technology transmissions have been underway in Western Australia over the past 4-5 years, with the apparent aim to green our central semi-deserts and create a series of huge forests - for commercial gain and to act as a CO2 sink. |
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