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Agreed.
What did you mean by "Time to rethink US cattle mutilation" in the OP?
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| Cattle Mutilation
Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:03 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantex
"The Pantex plant is America's only nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly facility and is charged with maintaining the safety, security and reliability of the nation’s nuclear weapons stockpile."
"Pantex was abruptly deactivated after the war ended. It remained vacant until 1949, when Texas Technological College in Lubbock (now Texas Tech University) purchased the site for $1. Texas Tech used the land for experimental cattle-feeding operations."
Compare this with the herd of Bison at Fermi-Lab and the cattle mutilations out West near the atomic test sites.
Stay with me!
Maybe this should be in its own thread, but since I started reading about cows and their connection to nuclear testing, I figured I'd post it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation
"Reports of mutilated cattle first surfaced in the US in the early 1960s, when it was allegedly largely confined to the states of Pennsylvania and Kansas"
"By the mid 1970s, mutilated cattle were reported in 15 states, from Montana and South Dakota in the north, to New Mexico and Texas in the south."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
Funny how the two projects trace paths.... I think they are dissecting cattle to discern the effects of radiation on them. I think this could also explain a lot of "abductions."
"Democratic senator Floyd K. Haskell contacted the FBI asking for help in 1975 due to public concern regarding the issue. He claimed there had been 130 mutilations in Colorado alone.[3] According to an internal memo[4] between the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI field office in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and the Director of the FBI, there had been an estimated 8,000 mutilations (including horse mutilations) in the U.S. by 1979, at a cost of $1,000,000 (unadjusted) to farmers and ranchers. Around the year 2002 there were some cases reported in Argentina. After some reports that the FBI would handle it, the agency issued a letter to Senator Curtis dated 10 Sep 1974 indicating that they could find no federal law had been violated."
Interesting that the Feds wouldn't cooperate.
Read the Physical Characteristics on the Cattle Mutilation Page. They are too disturbing to post here, but I will post this:
They reported that nothing would scavenge on the corpses of these animals. Most animals are quite smart, and know better than to eat something poisonous....
"In most cases mutilation wounds appear to be clean, and carried out surgically. Mutilated animals are usually, though not always reported to have been drained of blood, and have no sign of blood in the immediate area or around their wounds."
To me this indicates body dumping.
"Laboratory reports carried out on some mutilated animals have shown unusually high or low levels of vitamins or minerals in tissue samples, and the presence of chemicals not normally found in animals."
"In one case documented by New Mexico police and the FBI, an 11 month old cross Hereford-Charolais bull, belonging to a Mr. Manuel Gomez of Dulce, New Mexico, was found mutilated on March 24, 1978. It displayed 'classic' mutilation signs, including the removal of the rectum and sex organs with what appeared to be “a sharp and precise instrument” and its internal organs were found to be inconsistent with a normal case of death followed by predation.
“Both the liver and the heart were white and mushy. Both organs had the texture and consistency of peanut butter”
Gabriel L Veldez, New Mexico Police
The animal's heart as well as bone and muscle samples were sent to the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, part of the University of California, for microscopic and bacteriological studies, while sample from the animal's liver were sent to two separate private laboratories.
Los Alamos detected the presence of naturally occurring Clostridium bacteria in the heart, but was unable to reach any conclusions because of the possibility that the bacteria represented postmortem contamination. They did not directly investigate the heart's unusual color or texture.
Samples from the animal's liver were found to be completely devoid of copper and to contain 4 times the normal level of zinc, potassium and phosphorus. The scientists performing the analysis were unable to explain these anomalies.
Blood samples taken at the scene were reported to be "light pink in color" and “Did not clot after several days” while the animal's hide was found to be unusually brittle for a fresh death (the animal was estimated to have been dead for 5 hours) and the flesh underneath was found to be discolored.
None of the laboratories were able to report any firm conclusions on the cause of the blood or tissue damage. At the time, it was suggested that a burst of radiation may have been used to kill the animal, blowing apart its red blood cells in the process."
"In addition to the physical aspects of the mutilation, ranchers commonly claim to find unusual signs upon or after the discovery of a mutilated animal.
-Unusual restlessness among surviving animals
-Refusal of predators and scavengers to feed on the mutilated carcass
-Strange marks or 'post holes' on the ground around the mutilated animal
-Unusual odors. Commonly described as being medicinal or surgical in nature."
"The FBI was unable to identify any individuals responsible for the mutilations."
"This investigation reported finding evidence that some mutilated animals had been tranquilized and treated with an anti-coagulant prior to their mutilation. It also contended that alleged surgical techniques performed during mutilations had become 'more professional' over time."
Unconventional explanations
(That's not biased, is it?)
"A less conventional hypothesis that has been put forward to explain the reported mutilations concerns the large amount of mutilations that occurred in close proximity to former US nuclear test sites. This theory is based on a number of eyewitness accounts reporting military type helicopters before the mutilation was discovered. In addition to this there were also a number of helicopter type marks left in the soil."
"In this case it has been speculated the military dissected cattle to determine the level of radioactive material that had accumulated in their soft tissue (the mouth, anus and lower soft organs being logical targets)."
"Other government/military related hypotheses include the supposition that mutilated cattle have been used as guinea-pigs during the development of energy weapons, biological agents, laser scalpels, or other items of advanced technology."
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:18 pm
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Great post. Thanks for that.
I asked the q because (in addition to you reminding me to get back on topic  ) we had a run of cattle mutilations in this country a few years ago that made the MSM. I looked at the issue quite closely at the time. Not sure when that was. '98 maybe.The more I discovered the weirder it got, and while your post put some extra information my way, it's only made the story even more whacky and inexplicable to my mind - which is a shame, because clearly this abuse has occurred all around the world on hundreds of occasions and I don't suppose the cows are too happy that no-one seems to be able to do anything about it.
Like you I struggled to come up with a paradigm to fit the known facts. I considered the proximity of nuclear power stations, the contaminated body tissues, the surgical precision and so on and yet I couldn't make any sense of it...
You said:
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I think they are dissecting cattle to discern the effects of radiation on them. I think this could also explain a lot of "abductions."
Yes, it's an idea with some support, but I'll have to reserve judgment until I see more evidence. One reason for this is that it's not a dissection as such is it? If it was a full dissection it would make more sense in terms of scientific research. As your post points out, in some cases it's just the stealing of genitalia or equally bizarre things. We even had some attacks that appeared more like random and frenzied stabbing and slashing (but these may have been copy-cats created by the media, who of course made much of the cutting and often ignored the peculiar scientific details).
Also, the nature of the specimens seems too random to be part of a study for my liking. No real pattern like same breed of cow, same area or feed etc. Again, it's just not very scientific - and I think I'd say, if it were, it would be done more comfortably and easier under controlled conditions on government property. Overall, it's just too "thief in the night" for me to accept that it has much to do with science. It's possible, of course.
The other aspect of your sentence relates to the word "abductions". The quotation marks suggest that you think that abductions are mostly or wholly military ops too then? I'd have to go along with that according to my understanding. Again, I could be wrong, but it seems a safe working assumption for now.
Anyway, back to those poor cows.
Having put the scientific research idea on the back burner I began to focus on the occult aspects of what was going on. I remember reading an article somewhere on the 'net at the time that made a pretty good case that the missing animal parts were to be used for symbolic ritual sacrifice and blood ceremonies etc. Ultimately though, I couldn't buy that either; because it failed to account for the contamination. Why go to that trouble?
So there I was. Back at square one, not really any the wiser, unless I wanted to pursue the alien route; which I don't need to do. I'd still love to know what really went on though.
(It's odd isn't it? I know for sure that if I mentioned this topic to someone who bought, let's say, the 911 story, they'd dismiss me as nuts in an instant, and yet, there it is, a huge pile of detailed documentary evidence. It's been happening, sure enough. Fascinating times.)
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:40 am
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Thanks for the response, it is an interesting topic indeed. As for British humour, maybe you missed my previous blog entry:
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-hgm1yvUhfrQh2OBHa_8ygmwqjxA930kdZzC8?p=196#comments
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:20 am
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Great to see those again. I'd not seen that Star Trek meets Monty one before. Excellent stuff. Thanks.
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Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:42 am
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My heart is just broken after seeing that video. What kind of human could do that to another? Mob mentality is a strange force, never succumb to it.
We have to be vigilant, every single day.
This kind of atrocity must NEVER happen again.
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| Guess I didn't connect the dots enough
Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:07 am
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Looks like the hoof and mouth is a hybred strain. I think the prions also are a hybred. The connection here being what are the war mongers doing with this? I think the Occult can be ruled out in 99% of the cases as most are to far from Bohemian Groove and the Skull and Bones can't get that far away from the kegger on the East coast.
So now that you have asked yourself why they are screwing around with this disease. What's your answer? Oh, that seems to be a British lab, but it's ok you can have your MP come over and kick my ass anyway, just explain to him I want him to do Bush and Chainey first.
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PI: Thanks for the link to the vid. I don't think I'm going to comment, other than to state (with the deepest regret) that in my experience the vast majority of humans are capable of doing that to one another at the drop of a hat.
Bound as I am by the Official Secrets Act I am now going to relate an entirely fictitious story to you. After a famous conflict involving Britain in the 1980's, an unnamed person (not me) found 3 quite fresh but dead Latin Americans in a defensive trench. The unnamed person and three buddies had been detailed to fill the trench in and the bodies were carefully placed so that the three dead heads peeped out of the trench once they'd done. He and his mates then kicked them until each head became disconnected, at which point they drop kicked two heads away down the hillside and played a quick game of football with the remaining one. In this fictional scenario it was also considered "fun" to half bury an enemy head (or a foot, or a hand) and place a tin helmet on top of it, so that an unsuspecting "greenhorn", a new arrival, could be send to retrieve the discarded helmet.
It's not just those at the top PI. Never was. Will it happen again? For sure. In fact, I'd argue that the young are much more likely to engage in atrocities than my generation were owing to the desensitization process that has been enacted by the media these past few years.
Richard: How are YOUR sinuses this morning? (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12363.html)
Also, why does it look like it's a hybrid strain? I thought it was the 1967 strain? And as yet I've not seen anything to counteract the claim that the lab was NOT run by American contractors. Did I miss something?
Also, practicing the "occult" is in no way dependent upon proximity to Bohemian Grove or Scull and Bones in any way whatsoever. No offense mate, but that idea is really rather naive and you need to reconsider it. Again, I'm not going to stick my neck out here too much but there are occult rituals and practices regularly being carried out less than 5 miles from me, right here in SW England.
Apologies if that post sounds as if I'm attacking either of you. I'm not. I like to think I never attack without justification and even then I'll use reason rather than violence - so if the post implies I'm some kind of heartless monster well that's not true either. Nor am I involved in the occult myself in any way - other than from a research standpoint. What is true though is that my life has taught me NEVER to shelter under thoughts like "oh they wouldn't really be that mean would they?" They would, they have been - and most likely they will again.
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| Beef Recall
Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:05 am
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http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2007/09/29/775836.html&cvqh=itn_beef
TRENTON, N.J. - The Topps Meat Co. on Saturday expanded its recall of frozen hamburger patties to include 21.7 million pounds of ground beef that may be contaminated with E. coli bacteria that sickened more than a dozen people in eight states.
I had similar symptoms after eating a burger 2 weeks ago.
E. coli causes intestinal illness that generally clears up within a week for adults but can be deadly for the very young, the elderly and people with compromised immune systems. Symptoms can include severe stomach cramps, bloody diarrhea and, in extreme cases, kidney failure.
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| E. Coli
Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:48 am
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While this is not a Prion, it's definitely scary:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2007-10-01-meat-recall_N.htm
The USDA sample-tests about 8,000 products a year for the deadly E. coli O157:H7 strain identified in the Topps recall.
Wow. There are over 300 million americans. If only 2/3 of them ate red meat once a week, that means that we would eat around 10,400,000,000 servings a year, and a whopping 8,000 tests are done.
"The Topps recall is likely to focus attention on industry practices. Topps last Tuesday recalled 332,000 pounds of ground beef. The recall expanded Saturday to a full year of production — an unusually long time frame "
http://www.toppsmeat.com/
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| Beef Recall Forces Topps to Shut Down
Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:18 am
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http://www.comcast.net/news/finance/index.jsp?cat=FINANCE&fn=/2007/10/05/781174.html&cvqh=itn_toppsmeat
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NEWARK, N.J. - Topps Meat Co. on Friday said it was closing its business, six days after it was forced to issue the second-largest beef recall in U.S. history and 67 years after it first opened its doors.
The decision will cost 87 people their jobs, Topps said.
That's a shame.
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