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Bonehead9
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David, I never offered an "on-line diagnosis." I merely suggested that if you are troubled by unusual smells, that no one around you seems to notice, then it would be a good idea to consult with a doctor. If you knew someone who suffered from shortness of breath, or chest pains you wouldn't say to them: "Oh, its just the Chemtrails." (or at least I would hope not!) No, you would suggest that the person seek the advice of a qualified physician.
If, on the other hand, there is an unusual odor, and 9 out of 10 people randomly questioned agreed that they could smell it, AND you could POSITIVELY eliminate any earthbound sources for the odor (industrial sites, agriculture, construction sites, fires, restaurants, etc.) then we will talk.
In the meantime, Unless you have any meaningful to add to the discussion, you can stuff your insults back up where the planes don’t spray. 
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PacerLJ35
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:46 pm
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Typically I'm NOT here to help you, David. I'm here to go on the record against regular BS that chemtrail believers sometimes post (see the post regarding the FAA, "Top Secret" operation, et al in a recent post on this message board).
But even though I disagree with the notion of chemtrails, I am human and I wouldn't want to see anyone getting sick. So if anyone has problems, they should seek the advice of a doctor, not complain about symptoms on a message board. |
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:46 pm
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Just about every message board dealing with chemtrails has threads talking about the smells on some spray days. Chlorine, burning wire, other odd and out of place odors. Not all of these people are suffering from some sort of neurological disorder. Most people that have lived in one location for any length of time can tell you when something odd or unusual is in the air. I have smelled burning wire odor on more than one occasion and each time it was a spray day. Other odors at different times, and each time in association with spray days.
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Bonehead9
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:28 pm
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Anecdotal evidence is rather poor proof. It tends to be overly selective in counting the “hits’ and ignoring the “misses.” You don’t state your location in your profile, which makes it hard to evaluate your claims in terms of whether you are located near industries, businesses, etc. or if your area has a history of temperature inversions.
You also don’t provide enough information as to the extent of the odor that you observe. If you drive ten miles away, do you still smell it? (It’s not your car is it?) How many people also smell the odor/ how many don’t? What do they describe it as? Do they have any knowledge of where the odor is coming from? What days do you smell the odor? What is the weather like on those days? Do you smell the odor on all “spray” days or just on some?
You need to back up you claim with objective, verifiable data.
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Jeanie
Joined: 18 Nov 2001
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 10:19 pm
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Most of us here on the chemtrail forum are really not the least bit interested in how you debunkers are reasoning on con/chemtrails. We don't need your advice on when to see a doctor. You might want to see a doctor to have your heart evaluated. Why don't you start your own forum, you can entertain each other on foolish reasoning and how to substitute the lie for truth.  Fortunately in my area I have never detected a bad odor connected with heavy spraying BUT when I read the posts of debunkers I smell a strong fishy smell.
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Bonehead9
Joined: 08 May 2002
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Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:57 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeanie:
Most of us here on the chemtrail forum are really not the least bit interested in how you debunkers are reasoning on con/chemtrails. .... Fortunately in my area I have never detected a bad odor connected with heavy spraying.....
So, what you are saying is, is that you will not listen to anything I have to say because you have labeled me a “debunker,” and yet you accept the claims that there are odors associated with the sprays, even though you have not smelled them yourself?
No wonder you people have trouble converting anyone but the most gullible to your cause, especially when you attack anyone who does not support your pet theories as “heartless.”
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:22 pm
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"No wonder you people have trouble converting anyone but the most gullible to your cause, especially when you attack anyone who does not support your pet theories as “heartless.”"
Well maybe the typical debunker language has something to do with the responses you recieve. The underlined words shows YOUR contempt for the people on this board. If you are displeased with the respones to you or you do not like the subject matter, you are free to leave. You made a decision to come to a chemtrail board and debunk the issues being discussed, invitations were not sent to you.
"and yet you accept the claims that there are odors associated with the sprays, even though you have not smelled them yourself?"
Jesus Christ has not sat and watched TV with me either, does that mean He does not exist?
Your arguements are empty bonehead, empty, and meant only as a distraction.
Please reconsider your position here and maybe join duncan in retirement, he would like and could use the company I'm sure. 
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FLKook
Joined: 28 Apr 2001
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Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:33 pm
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quote:
No wonder you people have trouble converting anyone but the most gullible to your cause,
Have you noticed the steady pace at which this site is growing? If we're all so gullible than why haven't you converted anybody to your debunking cause? Hmmmmm?
The only attempts at conversion going on around here has been by debunkers. (you people not us people) Most members that believe chemtrails are real have given witness to their personal observations and sometimes offered theories as to what they might be. Other than BobB a while back, I don't ever remember anyone stating catagorically that they KNOW what the hell is going on in our skies only that we believe it is something of man not of nature.
This forum is more of a support structure for chemtrail activists and believers in chemtrails that they are not alone in their observations. Thermit has also allowed the dissenting opinion of non-believers and debunkers as well. Not excluding them as you would want to do if converting anyone was on the agenda.
What you seem to forget Pacer is that we didn't dream up this subject to fill some void in our lives. The vast majority wish they never saw their first chemtrail, me included.
In fairness to you Pacer if any member reading this wishes to convert any other members or debunkers for that matter than they may correct me here.
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penumbra
Joined: 24 Apr 2001
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Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:50 pm
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Bravo FLKook!!!! 
Oh, btw, the air here yesterday and today has that same chemtrail stench. burning plastic.
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Dan Rockwell
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Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:43 pm
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Excellent post FLKook.
penumbra, I was thinking about moving to North Carolina and might still do it even with the stench. After being a volunteer firefighter for almost 20 years, I think I could deal with it. |
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Lulu
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Thu Jun 13, 2002 9:43 pm
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Ditto on the well-put post FLKook, I'm sure Bonehead and Pacer et al get the drift. |
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FLKook
Joined: 28 Apr 2001
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Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:18 pm
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Thanks everybody. I meant every word of it. Everyone deserves a good rant now and then. |
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Bonehead9
Joined: 08 May 2002
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Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:40 pm
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Well Kook, Since you raised the issue, I took a look at the member list. For those members whose screen names begins with the letter S:
There are a total of 97 members registered.
Only 34 (35%) have ever made at least one post.
Of these, only 11 have made more than 10 posts.
Of the 11, only 4 have made a post in the last 90 days.
Of the 1048 posts made by members whose names begin with the letter S, 711 (67%) were made by just 4 members.
If this forum is like any of the others of various topics that I have participated in, most people come in, stay a while then leave. That isn’t to say that this isn’t a very active forum, it is, but the majority of the activity, by far, is generated by a small cadre of hardcore participants.
I don’t particularly want to “convert” anyone. I would be happy to accept solid, concrete evidence that contrails are anything other than contrails. But unfortunately, my standards of proof appear to be much greater than the majority of those here. Therefore I tend to question the validity of any data presented. For most of the people here, that puts me in the category of a debunker. so be it.
Frankly, this is to your advantage. If no one questions or criticizes any of the various theories, ‘proofs’ or opinions that are put forth here, then this site could quickly degenerate into little more than a soap box for the absurd.
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paulos
Joined: 09 Aug 2002
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Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:00 pm
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I've been browsing this site for a couple of days. I came open minded and so far I've seen nothing that really convinces me that chemtrails exist. I see contrails almost every day (when there is a clear period in England!) and 99% of aircraft that I see are civilian traffic depositing no more than water vapour, some trails last, some don't. I've seen "hole punch" clouds or fallstreak holes as they should be termed and thought them nothing more than a cool natural effect. Some posts in these forums border on pure fantasy with mention of cloaking devices despite having no knowledge that such devices exist. Most of the photos show nothing more than ordinary contrails and various forms of cirrus and altocumulus cloud formations.
Seeing this thread has made me even more of a non-believer as those who believe in chemtrails attempt to put down those who don't believe. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and rubbishing those who have a different one to you is pointless.
Has anyone done an analysis on the air after a supposed chemical drop? If there was a serious worry about chemtrails then surely someone would sponsor research into taking readings to find such chemicals as barium and aluminium. I don't wish to disrespect the views of others but until there is overwhelming proof that aircraft are dropping poisonous chemicals through hard scientific fact I can't believe. |
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