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How can these be classed as real or natural? PostSun Sep 09, 2007 11:20 pm  Reply with quote  

http://snipurl.com/1qi6b
Nature trails?
http://snipurl.com/1zatm

http://snipurl.com/1qi6f

http://snipurl.com/1qi6c

http://weatheroffice.pyr.ec.gc.ca/clouds_f.html

Do natural clouds really exist?


The government no longer care what you say or think but they do care what you do to expose them, so keep it up. private companies must be making their fortunes.

Funny how the first two kind of fake clouds are often confused for the same things. All these different names for the same things = aerosols! now try to explain their formations, NASA.
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Fudge, lies and porridge PostMon Sep 10, 2007 2:04 am  Reply with quote  

I wonder if they have a Latin name for those CT Xs yet?

Probably... Rolling Eyes
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first link , first 20 pages PostMon Sep 10, 2007 3:54 am  Reply with quote  

I found 2 pictures of what might be natural clouds, the first one was Austrailia severe weather. All the rest can be identified as chem-clouds. I guess I will have to get a scanner going and scan national geographic and other old publications and post what natural clouds look like. By 1990 they were spraying regularly and most people 6 years old and up paid no attention. That means people 33 and under probably do not remember what a natural cloud looks like. I'm sure my old encyclopedias in the attic have some good information on real clouds too. I'm also sure some of the Model Aviation magazines have some pictures of actual blue sky. Something else many of you don't remember.

In the mean time check with your parents and look at the old publications they have saved. You will learn a lot quickly. If it's a picture taken by a digital camera you can safely bet it's a fake cloud. Digital cameras have not been out on the market long enough to have taken a picture of a real cloud.

Polymers are used extensively, they form long light chains of silk up there. They are moisture absorbent and they spread rapidly. Metals have been detected in the sprays. They have a 100 different mixtures, the only way to tell is to make someone in the program talk full of truth serum and hooked to a lie detector.
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Recruitment, retention and redemption. PostMon Sep 10, 2007 1:02 pm  Reply with quote  

In my family there is an old encyclopaedia set from the late 50s with some excellent colour pics of the various cloud types. I've been meaning to scan them for quite a while now but I've not yet got round to it. Perhaps if you scan yours and I scan mine we could create a very simple "reference" thread on cloud identification to help others separate the established fact from the modern fiction; which, as your referenced pictures clearly show, has degenerated into a huge impenetrable mess of confusion and ambiguity - all by design of course.

I could go on at length here but my underlying point is this. As I'm sure you are aware, the "truth movement" (such as it is and in the widest sense) is jam packed with people concerned to come to conclusions, show off and win arguments. That's no surprise, but as a result of this, the "movement" as a whole has been consistent only to the extent to which it has failed to focus on winning the minds of new "recruits". There is such a need for clear info - and it's good to hear you seem determined to create some.

IMHO very few people seem to have the faintest idea about how to win this propaganda war: choosing instead to run around slashing at demons while ignoring the child that just walked into the room. It's a shameful tragedy (and on the whole, entirely orchestrated from within and without). It represents a vast gaping hole in "our" operation and yet so few of the genuine people are willing to step down from their pedestals to address it. I hope you know what I'm saying here. I've tried to be concise.

I agree with your last post entirely incidentally - except the part about truth serum being the only way to get one of the misguided operator pawns to speak out. I firmly believe that there are more than a few who are becoming crushed by the huge emotional and psychological burden they've been tricked into carrying around. They've had a good run, but it's one thing for them to allow the money spell to distract their minds from the real nature of their "environmental protection" work and quite another to watch their own children contract Morgellon's or come back from Iraq in pieces. Sooner or later they cannot fail to make the connections between these and other issues - all of which derive directly from the poisoned minds of their masters. It's important not to underestimate how difficult a process it'll be for them, but eventually some of these pawns will become our closest allies - and when they do we must be prepared to offer them a warm welcome.
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PostMon Sep 10, 2007 4:50 pm  Reply with quote  

I think if you did this it would really help, since most images of naturally formed clouds are not digitalised very often. I have seen government images of digitalised clouds before showing Native Americans, etc but they were questionable for me. I don't know what to do about airforce photos either, because I think the contrails they show are likely to have dissipated and evaporated rapidly compared to what we see in our skies now.

I don't know if I am alone on this either: I used to see contrails all my life I noticed them, as you do especially when you're young you see them disappear rapidly after flight propells forward. The last time I ever saw a genuine contrail was in 2003, and I observe the sky daily. I don't understand why this is. Contrails are no longer as short as they used to be and since they are 3 times or more longer I class them as chemtrails because they soon grow to cover the sky as artificial clouds.

I've heard meteorologists claim natural clouds of non contrail origins always have flat bases to them or flat bottoms, even but this is what i identify with daily flat bottoms. Most of them are obvious to see the trails but some do form into more natural looking ones. Last summer we had total cloud cover on a hot day whihc was great because the clouds looked natural and they had no bottoms to them at all they were all curved from all sides and all integrated into each other.

As for looking at old illustrations in books I can not do this very much any more since my family has discarded most old books with photos and pictures in apart from some dating back to the 1970's. And they show ugly clouds in them. This is my dilemma, I see clouds that are old that look unnatural and identical to chemtrail aerosol spray. I have family photographs that are old but I am now happy to disregard them because they are over 100 years old and are black and white.

I agree that the truth movement cannot come to fixed conclusions, only can it collect the ones with most promising proof. And until the political climate changes I think we will find it hard to verify this as absolute fact. We class facts as facts when the government and scientists certify this to us, right?

I hope my post didn't discourage you.
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PostMon Sep 10, 2007 7:04 pm  Reply with quote  

I remember, when I was a kid in the early 70's, sitting around on a hot summer day with my buddy( it was a whadda you wanna do? I don't know, what do you wanna do? kind of day) and looking up at the sky and seeing what we both thought was an especially long "jet trail" coming from a really high flying plane. It was about a couple hands long if you extended your arm out all the way. And from what I remember the trails back then were quite thin and ended in a sharp point. And they were pretty rare and only came from planes flying way up there.

Today, on this eve of the 6th anniversary of the false flag attacks of 9/11, they are out there laying all kinds of chemtrails across the sky. Lots of what you might think are contrails, but they aren't. They flare out and last for too long and they leave segments that stay behind trying to mimic long thin clouds. People have very short memories and they are not too aware of things going on around them. For this reason, they are getting away with destroying our atmosphere.
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PostMon Sep 10, 2007 8:11 pm  Reply with quote  

Thanks for sharing this info with us.

artificial atmosphere (¦ärd·ə¦fish·əl ′at·mə′sfir)
(chemical engineering) A mixture of gases used in industrial operations in place of air; classified as an active, or process, atmosphere, or an inactive, or protective, atmosphere.


I read on some physics about artificial atmosphere, but was unable to find out why there would be uses for such a thing. Unless it was for the protection of the atmosphere, we must create an artificial one, apparently.
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PostMon Sep 10, 2007 9:32 pm  Reply with quote  

FWO said:

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I used to see contrails all my life I noticed them, as you do especially when you're young you see them disappear rapidly after flight propells forward.


I wonder if you or blookanoo remembers, as I do, wishing that they WOULD do them lower because it would be cool - or whatever word I was using to describe cool things at the time.Kind of bugged me that they wouldn't do this for me. Not ever. I could make clouds go away though, but that's another story.

Ah, such a long time ago and yet I can see it, clear as day. This year we had ONE day with the classic, glorious cumulus cloud against a deep blue sky of yesteryear and it was just like the ones I used to draw in school. Fair brought a tear to my eye (although it might also have been the polymer fibre that got lodged in there a few moments later).

Re: flat bottoms. Using the logic of childhood I would have said that flat bottoms were characteristic of "big" clouds. Lots of puffing up, with a flat bottom. Sometimes they were hugely impressive, especially in summer, and the bottom edge was often much grayer than the brilliant white puffiness that looked good enough to eat up top. Then they were plentiful. Today, I really have no idea. Most of the time it just looks terribly sick.

Today itself was a classic example of the new normal. "Beautiful", "glorious": you know these damned Brits! The reality? High level streaks and Xs everywhere with little attempt to camouflage them, blue haze at ground level, a huge particulate-derived halo around the sun, sore throats and stiff necks all around and now I've got a headache.

New World Order? Be damned.
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Well, yeah now I think about it more I do remember wishing I could see them closer than what was visible because back then they seemed so much higher than now, now I see trails at 3,000 feet. So we wished this upon ourselves, haha, New! Better longer lasting trails. Nice commercial line.

It was visible they were water as well but when I was younger I didn't understand why that was because no one explains that about vapour trails. In fact a lot of us had fun looking at them, brought many smiles to our faces.
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PostMon Sep 10, 2007 11:38 pm  Reply with quote  

"So we wished this upon ourselves"?

Could be, we'll do it again too.
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PostTue Sep 11, 2007 8:20 pm  Reply with quote  

That's the stuff alright. How someone can see examples like this, day after day above their own head and bleat on about "persistent contrails" is beyond me.

If they're old enough, I wonder how many curved trails they saw prior to, say, 15 years ago? And I wonder how often they recall looking towards the horizon at a "contrail"? Same as you and I is my guess. Absolutely NEVER - and that's because these are a modern phenomenon called chemical trails.

Perhaps deniers should take a look through their old photo collections. If they ARE contrails there MUST be some examples from the 70s and 80s right? Remember how everyone went abroad on holiday back then? All those planes? . . . Found any yet?

One thing I would point out though, here in the UK at least, spray planes are not exclusively white. Most are, but I've seen probably 15% red/white planes (an example can be seen at the link below), about 2% white/pea green (767s) with dark blue engines (which always seem to bring rain) and the odd military fighter jet - one of which in particular, was the weirdest (and fastest) conventional craft I ever saw - HUGE long tail section running a good third of the length. Ring any bells?

Red plane pic here: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=1192&user_id=6507
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PostTue Sep 11, 2007 11:11 pm  Reply with quote  

All I can say is, after over a week of no trails overhead, today they laid them thick, heavy and low. Wow, I guess plane traffic must've increased tenfold, as I haven't seen this many planes out in over a week or more, overhead. The plumes were thick and the HAARP was spreading them out in gridded patterns, many in front of the sun as usual, but also all around, criss crossing back and forth. And these were so low it thought if I got on top of the plant I work at I could've touched them. All perfectly normal.
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Yup PostWed Sep 12, 2007 1:53 am  Reply with quote  

NWO, Here you go:


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I wonder if they have a Latin name for those CT Xs yet?


Greek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labarum


quote:
and writing in Latin, Constantine had dreamt of this emblem and a voice saying "In hoc signo vinces" ("In this sign you shall conquer").


"...the miraculous appearance came when the rival armies met at the Milvian Bridge. In this later version, the emperor had been pondering the logical question of misfortunes that befall armies that invoke the help of many different gods, and decided to seek divine aid in the forthcoming battle from the One God. At noon Constantine saw a cross of light imposed over the sun. Attached to it, in Greek characters, was the saying "Εν Τούτω, Νίκα!" . Not only Constantine, but the whole army saw the miracle. That night Christ appeared to the emperor in a dream and told him to make a replica of the sign he had seen in the sky, which would be a sure defense in battle."
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Thanks, Pak for confirming this. This was an untold display after months of silence, here's a pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/perverted_introvert/1363065760/
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