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raze78
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Gog and Magog seems to have different connotations for the three monoesthic religions. For example, in Islam,they are a people who will appear at the end, after Jesus conquers, after peace has been established, they will come and wreck havoc on the earth, but will then be wiped out and the earth will be cleansed by rain and it shall be as new. Then the reign of Jesus will continue for some time.
Funny thing, their is a gog and magog hill in England. Where did that come from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_Magog_Downs
Their is even a golf club called that.
But this is another perspective, an Israeli video on the matter:
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Fascinating stuff, thanks for that. I believe they had some instances of crop circles down there, though I'm never certain about the origins of those.
There's also this, about Ireland's history with Gog and Magog:
Gog and Magog in Ireland
Works of Irish mythology, including the Lebor Gabála Érenn (the Book of Invasions), expand on the Genesis account of Magog as the son of Japheth and make him the ancestor to the Irish. His three sons were Baath, Jobhath, and Fathochta. Magog is regarded as the father of the Irish race, and the progenitor of the Scythians, as well as of numerous other races across Europe and Central Asia.
Partholon, leader of the first group to colonize Ireland after the Deluge, was a descendant of Magog. The Milesians, or people of the 5th invasion of Ireland, were also descendants of Magog. |
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:32 pm
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There is a newspaper cutting I read once online that was taken from the 1500's on crop circles being reported. It could be the elite playing games with people during these times to make them think it was God, or maybe it was the occult people that thought it was fun as some sacfricial offering or maybe it wasn't sacrificial but was like dancing with the devil as christians claim for the bringing in of new seasons, that is what christianity is based on but now it is classed as satanism, why the new religion i am not sure it has to split into two.
Organic farmers in England still dance with the devil to help bring in a good season for their harvests of certain crops, this includes drawing a circles and running or walking around it and dropping herbs and other cutting around the crops.
Where does it say in the bible that Gog-U-Magog or Armageddon is the last war or a war at all, when the meaning of the word suggest ending of deceit, a new age, and revelation.g
I think the elite hijacked the religion long ago with their battle of Armageddon. That way they can give us our Golden age of Aquarius with peace. Which has to be world government, maybe it won't be evil then.  Remember the Jewish are only used to blood baths. That is all they ever have had.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:17 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
The earliest known reference to "Gog" and "Magog" together is also in the Bible, in the Book of Ezekiel:
2. Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3. And you shall say; So said the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, Gog, the prince, the head of Meshech and Tubal.
Who is the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal? Who venerate them?
http://freemasonrywatch.org/tubalcain.html
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/1o5.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshech
http://biblia.com/jesusbible/ezekiel6.htm
Interesting stuff....
http://www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog
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Towards the head of the procession you will see two benevolent giants. They are Gog and Magog, the traditional guardians of the City of London who have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the reign of Henry V. They are descended from the pagan giants of early English pageantry and their history is buried in ancient legends of Britain's origins.
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Doesn't it also have Jewish roots or origin, and isn't that where they invented hell, that spready to Germany after the Roman empire came about and so on. I mean the pit of hell is where all the blood in or near Israel was right?
A documentary was on TV about how engelicals have their offshoots from protestants, but they are not better than catholics in my opinion, they just want their own state rulership with religion at the top of the pyramid, they then can slay the non christians or enforce the laws as they see fit in America. I really don't see any good christian offshoots in any way or form since the catholics hijacked the movement, for me essenes was always the original and only form of the religion. But I think Judaism and Kabbalistic Jew system corrupted it before the catholics, maybe you can tell me. I think scientists are still slowly doing research in tis area to this day. I want to know about dead sea scrolls, I mean one guy said it was all about the christ muschroom secret and that was it, he was taken off the project but back then they used sellotape to stick the scrolls together and cleanups are still being done to restore the scrolls.
I like the hill anyway, Nice area it seems, scenic apart from the chemhaze.
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Thought I'd add to the confusion; Sounds like lord of the rings.
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Who are the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj?
by Mohammed Ali Ibn Zubair Ali
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The Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj
During the reign of Hadhrat Isa (Jesus) people will live an extremely peaceful life filled with prosperity and abundance. Then the wall which imprisons Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj will break and they will surge forth in large numbers.
"But when Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj are let loose and they rush headlong down every hill" (Quran 21:97)
Who are the Ya'jooj and Majooj?
Zul Qarnain (A.S.) (an ancient ruler thousands of years ago) who was a pious and just Ruler travelled to many lands and conquered them, establishing justice and the Law of Allah therein. Allah Ta'ala provided him with all forms and material strength through which he was able to carry out his conquests and missions.
He once carried out a mission in three directions, the far west, the far east, and then in a northerly direction. It was here that he came across a tribe of people who complained to him about the tribes of Ya'jooj and Majooj which inhabited the land behind two huge mountains and often emerged from behind these mountains to perpetrate acts of anarchy and plunder among them. They requested Zul Qarnain (A.S.) to erect a barrier between themselves and the tribes of Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj so that they could be saved from their atrocities. With the material strength at his disposal, Zul Qarnain (A.S.) enlisted their physical labor and set about erecting a high wall between the two mountains. The height of the wall or its exact length is unknown. What is known is that the height of this wall reaches that of the summit of both mountains. It is made with blocks or sheets of iron, which is further strengthened by molten lead. In this manner Ya'jooj and Majooj are unable to scale the wall, or cross it, except when it is the will of Allah.
"And when the promise of my Lord approaches, He will level it to dust" (Quran 18:9
They are situated in a land of ice which is hidden from our gazes and the exact location of which is unknown. Though many interpretations do exist in this respect, none of these can be said to absolute.
Ya'jooj and Majooj are human beings and according to a narration they are from the progeny of Yafith ibn Nooh (A.S.) (Japheth son of Noah).
Some Ahadith...
In a lengthy hadith by Hadhrat Nawwas ibn Sam'aan (R.A.) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam(Muhammad)) is reported to have said:
"...Allah will send revelation upon Eesa(Jesus) (A.S.) that 'Such a creation of mine is now going to emerge that no power will be able to stop them. Therefore take my servants and ascend the Mount of Toor.' Then Ya'jooj and Majooj will emerge and surge forth in all their fury. When those from among them who constitute the former part of their army pass the lake of Tiberias (which is in northern Palestine), they will drink up all the water of that lake and by the time those that constitute the latter part of that same army pass the lake, they will say, "There used to be water here (long ago). When they reach the Mount of Khamr in Jerusalem, they will arrogantly proclaim: 'We have conquered the people of the earth, now we will annihilate those in the sky.' So saying they will fire their arrows towards the sky. When the arrows return to the ground they will be blood stained.
In the meantime, Eesa (A.S.) will be on the Mount of Toor with his followers. At that time the head of and ox will be as valuable as is a hundred dinars to you in this day. [This indicates the scarcity of provisions]. Faced with these hardships, Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will make dua unto Allah (to remove this calamity). As a result, Allah will cause sores to appear on the necks of each and every individual of these people which will cause their death suddenly. When Eesa (A.S.) and his followers descend from the Mount of Toor there will not be a single space on the land where the dead rotting bodies of these people is not littered, giving off a horrendous odour. Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will once more supplicate unto Allah as a result of which Allah will send down huge birds whose necks will be as thick as that of the necks of camels, and they will dump these bodies in a place where Allah wills. (According to a narration by Tirmidhi, they will be dumped at a place called Nahbal).
Allah Ta'ala will then send down a heavy rain, the waters of which will flow in every part of the earth cleansing it thoroughly. It will rain for a period of forty days.
The Muslims will then burn the bows and arrows of the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj for a period of seven years.
Allah will order the earth to yield forth its crops in abundance and there will be such blessing and prosperity that one pomegranate will be sufficient for a whole group while the peel thereof will suffice to cast a shadow over them. The milk of one camel will be sufficient for many groups while one milk giving cow will be sufficient for a whole tribe. One milk giving goat will be sufficent for a whole family..."
(Muslim)
Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
"On the day of Qiyamah Allah will say to Adam (A.S.) to pick out the Jahannamis (those destined for hell)from his entire progeny. Adam (A.S.) will ask: 'O Lord, who are they?'
Allah will say: 'Nine hundred and ninety nine of a thousand are Jahannami while the one is a Jannati.' (destined for paradise)
On hearing this the Sahaba were overtaken by fear and they asked "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam), who will that one Janniti be?'
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: 'Do not grieve, the nine hundred and ninety nine will be Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while you will be the Jannati."' (i.e. your numbers in relation to them will be one in a thousand).
(Bukhari and Muslim)
Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
"Allah Ta'ala divided mankind into ten parts. Nine tenths constitute Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while the remaining tenths constitutues the rest of mankind."
Hadhrat Zainab bint Jahsh (R.A.) says: "...once Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam) awoke from such a sleep that his face was red and these words were on his tongue: 'There is none worthy of worship except Allah. Destruction is upon the Arabs on account of the evil which has come close to them. Today a hole as big as this has opened up in the wall of Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj.' ..and Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) indicated the size of the hole forming a ring with his index finger and thumb."
(Bukhari and Muslim)
Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A.) narrates that every day Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj break (dig) through the wall erected by Zul Qarnain (A.S.) until they reach the end of it to that extent that they can actually see the light on the other side. They then return (home) saying that 'We will break through tomorrow.' But Allah Ta'ala causes the wall to revert to its original thickness and the next day they start digging through the wall all over again, and this process continues each day until as long as Allah wills them to remain imprisoned. When Allah wishes them to be released, then at the end of the day they will say, "If Allah wills, tomorrow we will break through." The following day they will find the wall as they had left it the previous day (i.e. it will not have returned to its orginal state) and after breaking the remaining part of it they will emerge."
(Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)
Commenting on the above hadith, Allamah Ibn Arabi says, Three miracles are evident in this Hadith:
1.) It never occurs to these tribes that they must continue work during the night. After all, they are in such large numbers that they can easily delegate the work among themselves and work in shifts. But Allah does not allow this thought to occur to them.
2.) It never occurs to them that they can merely cross the mountains or scale the wall, which they can do through the aid of equipment and implements wich they possess in large numbers. According to a narration by Wahab ibn Munabbah it is known that these tribes are agriculturists and artisians possessing various types of equipment.
3.) The thought of saying "If Allah wills" never enters their minds and it will only occur to them to say it when Allah wills that they be released.
from: "Signs of Qiyamah"
by Mohammed Ali Ibn Zubair Ali
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Ok, thanks for that. Islam is much easier to understand than Christianity but that is the problem Islam is newer and makes more sense. Christianity needs to change if it is to survive in my viewpoint, with over 50% of all countries mostly being secular now, apart from maybe North and South America and few African countries.
Who can stand for intolerance of other religions, with evangelicals classing Islam as satan manifested. For me almost all religions have similar meansings, that is my downfall for the religious person though. All religions cannot be right, blah blah...
I am confident science can actually help.
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:51 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Free World Order
Ok, thanks for that. Islam is much easier to understand than Christianity but that is the problem Islam is newer and makes more sense. Christianity needs to change if it is to survive in my viewpoint, with over 50% of all countries mostly being secular now, apart from maybe North and South America and few African countries.
I believe they are one of the same truth. We'll be one soon enough. As for science, with so much hidden away from us intentionally, only total freedom will allow it to be a force of good to mankind.
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:04 pm
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You guys are so screwed up. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all the same, just like ice cream, with different flavors. The Elite are using ALL the religions, especially the 3 mains monothestic religions, to conquer the World.
The SPOKEN word is much more important than SPELL-ing, no matter what language as ALL languages spoken today were CRAFTED by specialized Priests, who were INTERNATIONAL and knew the plan of et. We only live in our small lifespan, these guys plan in THOUSANDS of years to insure that their offspring will continue the plan, will continue to rule, no matter what. They keep us fighting amonst ourselves, even though we are truly ALL OF THE SAME SPECIES, so that they can CONTROL us. Religion is the TIE that BINDS, it keeps us guessing, believing we have the TRUTH, while keeping us IN THE DARK.
I am old enough to understand that the Christianity being espoused today is NOTHING like the Christianity preached 50, 100 years ago. It's a whole new religion, to fit a NEW AGE, you know, the PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE, where we all have a function to serve an ECONOMIC SYSTEM, devoid of emotion ( originally given to us by our Creator and destoyed by our Con-Troll-ers), in order that we SERVE the STATE better, which by the way, Jesus and others fought against, to their own death. THAT IS THE REALITY AND TRUTH. Those who oppose Organized Re-ligion and the STATE will DIE because our controllers have a whole new ENTERPRISE in view, where we are all chipped, happy and subservient to a CONTROLLING OLIGARCHY (who has always been with us and always will -in the words of Aldous Huxley).
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