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Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:15 pm

Today is my worst ever in regards to my firewall logs, so many DDOS attacks in attempt to hack my PC.

Not sure why.

Removed copy of log due to security risks. Around 130 DOS attacks from various IP addresses. Maybe they need to be reported.

I will publish copies of all offending culprits in due time if I feel this necessary after finding who it is. I think I am still under attack.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:51 pm

Rather convenient isn't it? A false flag operation is predicted. It doesn't happen. So someone must have prevented it.

Unless, of course, no such operation was planned in the first place?

Sounds like more disinfo to me .... by those aiming to discredit others who seriously raise issues about the role our govts have to play in current affairs.

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Yup Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:41 pm

My thoughts exactly.
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:10 am

Seeing how I was pointed out concerning ALL of this, I must comment.

I only posted a comment of the statement claimed by one of the signers that they did not sigh such a statement. My post was verified and then everything moved to the freeform area for further developments. I copied the statement as it appeared on the front page of liberatethis, upon checking tonight, the statement has changed in wording, but still remains the same in body.

If pointing out a possibly discrepancy is debunking, then pardon me for actually trying to follow up and not just believe anything.

I never stated that the posting was a lie, I stated it "seemes to be in dispute"
nothing more

my post and the comments were verified by another member.

Please explain how that is debunking and not just trying to check everything that was available AT THAT TIME

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Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:34 am

A false flag OP is going to happen sooner or later, no matter how much "truth" is put out there.

Of course there are debunkers everywhere on the internets. But, alll in all, its not going to make one bit of differenct anyways.

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Crying Wolf Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:37 am

I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm just saying that worse things will happen if we all get used to hearing predictions of doom that never come to fruition. If people hear this, it becomes part of the static, then when the real warning comes, what will happen?

It's irresponsible at best.
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:33 am

quote:
It's irresponsible at best.

All this info, and Dis-info needs to be taken with a grain of salt.Don't shoot the messenger.BigJoe posted this stuff because he honestly cares about ALL of us.Everyone is entitled to agree to disagree. Debunk his info,if you can.That's why we are here.Check and re-check all the info. PEACE
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Okay Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:35 am

He said it would happen before 9/21 of this year, i stated that i would give him the benefit of the doubt and watch patiently.
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Re: Another inside job 9/11 on, or before Sept. 21st? Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:37 am

I'm still willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Just over 8 days and we'll know for sure.
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something to add to the discussion I believe Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:41 am

just sharing what I find, fairly related to this whole discussion, thus I'm keeping it in this thread. Follow up as necessary. Full credit to the original posters.

pirate

I originally found the article here

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=109773

WEBSTER TARPLEY-MILITARY DRILLS, OR FALSE FLAG ATTACK?

Posted By: J
Date: Friday, 14 September 2007, 2:43 p.m. Military Drills - False Flag
Provocation, Attack On Iran?
'Solid Curtain' And 'Citadel Shield 2007' Military Drills
Raise Spectre Of Imminent False Flag Provocation And Attack On Iran
By Webster G. Tarpley
9-13-7

WASHINGTON, DC -- US military bases in the continental United States (CONUS) will go on special lockdown between September 17 and September 21 under the auspices of Solid Curtain-Citadel Shield '07, a reliable source reported today. Under these exercises, US installations will institute enhanced anti-terror force protection measures, with increased security at all gates. The increased security was so elaborate that base personnel were being warned to expect significant delays at all base entrances.

According to William Arkin's 2005 directory of military code names, Solid Curtain is a US Navy Fleet Forces Command anti-terrorism/force protection exercise. In Solid Curtain '03, Arkin reports, the drill scenario involved 15 simultaneous attacks across the country including the Corpus Christi naval air station, the Ingleside naval station, local shipyards, and other targets of attack in the coastal bend of south Texas. In earlier versions of Solid Curtain, the Newport Rhode Island naval station was featured in the scenario.

Smaller local news outlets near US bases have begun to report on these drills. One such account can be found in the Ridgecrest, California Daily Independent, site of the Sierra Sands Naval Air Weapons Station. (see http://ridgecrestca.com/articles/2007/09/13/news/news02.txt)

Other reports concerned the Naval Support Activity Panama City, Florida, (see http://www.wmbb.com/gulfcoastwest/mbb/news.apx.-content-articles-
MBB-2007-09-13-0004.html), and the Goose Creek Naval Weapons station near Charleston, South Carolina (see

http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/sep/12/briefly15607/).

No further details concerning Citadel Shield could be ascertained.

These drills cause acute concern because they occur before the backdrop of widely reported preparations by the Cheney clique to manufacture a new 9/11 and/or a new Gulf of Tonkin incident to be used as a pretext for a US sneak attack on Iran, with an included option for martial law inside the United States.

On Friday, September 14, the US Air Force has instituted a stand-down for the alleged purpose of reviewing procedures after a B-52 transported six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot AFB North Dakota to Barksdale AFB Louisiana. Intelligence community sources have pointed to the fact that Barksdale is the jumping off point for US air assets moving to the Persian Gulf, suggesting that US nuclear weapons are being readied for a strike on Iran. Another option might well be that one or more of the cruise missiles was destined for use in a false flag attack on an American city, a scenario alluded to by Cheney on April 15 in an interview on CBS New Face the Nation.

link posted at the bottom of the article above

http://www.rense.com/general78/mill.htm

Military Drills - False Flag
Provocation, Attack On Iran?
'Solid Curtain' And 'Citadel Shield 2007' Military Drills
Raise Spectre Of Imminent False Flag Provocation And Attack On Iran
By Webster G. Tarpley
9-13-7

WASHINGTON, DC -- US military bases in the continental United States (CONUS) will go on special lockdown between September 17 and September 21 under the auspices of Solid Curtain-Citadel Shield '07, a reliable source reported today. Under these exercises, US installations will institute enhanced anti-terror force protection measures, with increased security at all gates. The increased security was so elaborate that base personnel were being warned to expect significant delays at all base entrances.

According to William Arkin's 2005 directory of military code names, Solid Curtain is a US Navy Fleet Forces Command anti-terrorism/force protection exercise. In Solid Curtain '03, Arkin reports, the drill scenario involved 15 simultaneous attacks across the country including the Corpus Christi naval air station, the Ingleside naval station, local shipyards, and other targets of attack in the coastal bend of south Texas. In earlier versions of Solid Curtain, the Newport Rhode Island naval station was featured in the scenario.

Smaller local news outlets near US bases have begun to report on these drills. One such account can be found in the Ridgecrest, California Daily Independent, site of the Sierra Sands Naval Air Weapons Station. (see http://ridgecrestca.com/articles/2007/09/13/news/news02.txt)

Other reports concerned the Naval Support Activity Panama City, Florida, (see http://www.wmbb.com/gulfcoastwest/mbb/news.apx.-content-articles-
MBB-2007-09-13-0004.html), and the Goose Creek Naval Weapons station near Charleston, South Carolina (see

http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/sep/12/briefly15607/).

No further details concerning Citadel Shield could be ascertained.

These drills cause acute concern because they occur before the backdrop of widely reported preparations by the Cheney clique to manufacture a new 9/11 and/or a new Gulf of Tonkin incident to be used as a pretext for a US sneak attack on Iran, with an included option for martial law inside the United States.

On Friday, September 14, the US Air Force has instituted a stand-down for the alleged purpose of reviewing procedures after a B-52 transported six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot AFB North Dakota to Barksdale AFB Louisiana. Intelligence community sources have pointed to the fact that Barksdale is the jumping off point for US air assets moving to the Persian Gulf, suggesting that US nuclear weapons are being readied for a strike on Iran. Another option might well be that one or more of the cruise missiles was destined for use in a false flag attack on an American city, a scenario alluded to by Cheney on April 15 in an interview on CBS New Face the Nation.

Solid Curtain and Citadel Shield will be taking place within the same general time frame as Vigilant Shield '08, scheduled to be held October 15-20, 2007, with a scenario that calls for the detonation of three radiological dispersal devices within the purview of USNORTHCOM (continental US) and the US Pacific Command. Vigilant Shield is supposed to be centered in Oregon, Arizona, and Guam. The drill is slated to include multiple homeland defense, critical infrastructure protection, and aerospace events. Linked to Vigilant Shield is another drill called National Level Exercise 1-08. In addition to the US, Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom are scheduled to take part. Concurrent with these drills is TOPOFF 4 (Top Officials 4), the main yearly terrorism preparedness exercise sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security. The boss of this agency, Michael Chertoff, announced earlier in the summer that he had a "gut feeling" that a terror attack on the US was about to occur. This is another drill that lends itself to going live.

Also relevant to these events is Noble Resolve '07, a drill organized by the Joint Task Force Command (JTFCOM), Northern Command (NORTHCOM), J9 Joint Innovation and Experimentation Directorate, FEMA's command bunker, the Department of Homeland Security, and Virginia police. According to false flag drill expert D.L. Abrahamson, Noble Resolve '07 represents a four-day marathon of "simulated" terror attacks across the US and Europe, including a simulated detonation of a "loose" ten-kiloton nuclear weapon Virginia harbor, smuggled in by a "foreign nation." Drills like these, if flipped live, would give Cheney the pretext to put the entire world on a catastrophic slide towards general war.

Recent terror events, such as London July 7, 2005, have occurred when drills and exercises went live or were flipped live by military and intelligence factions supporting the War of Civilizations, which such actions are meant to stoke. Most significantly, the original 9/11 coup d'etat by these same aggressive US military and intelligence factions was preceded and accompanied by installation security clampdowns of the type now imminent at the military bases in the Washington DC area and elsewhere. These exercises can be summed up as follows:

BASE ISOLATION AND COUP PREPRATION

Forts Hamilton, Meade (NSA), Belvoir, Ritchie, Myer, and McNair

Starting August 15, 2001, Army limits public access to bases near Washington DC, supposedly as part of nationwide security clampdown because of terrorist threat.

Fort Meyer, VA, Fort McNair, DC, 3rd US Infantry

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=
a090501fullaccesscontrol#a090501fullaccesscontrol

September 5, 2001: US Army bases near Washington DC implement "full access control." Fort McNair is HQ, Army Military District of Washington DC

Fort Meyer, Virginia

"Force protection exercise" scheduled for week after 9/11

Fort Belvoir, Virginia

On September 11, 2001: second Tuesday of "garrison control exercise," allegedly to "test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack."

Persons of good will in the United States must demand that elected representatives and presidential candidates act to expose, denounce, and shut down these reckless and highly dangerous drills. Countries outside of the US must demand explanations from the US Embassy as to whether the US is indeed preparing a nuclear aggression against Iran, under the cover of a false flag war provocation. Countries not wishing to be drawn into the abyss of such a catastrophe must take steps now to assert their national independence.

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And? Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:45 am

Well, what happened? Don't let the thread die now that you're wrong.
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Heh Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:47 am

quote:
MANY OTHERS, as well as myself, believe that a false flag terror attack may, just MAY, have been forced off of the Cheney faction agenda here in the U.S. because the truth DID get out,

Yeah, I'm sure the government will change it's plans based upon internet alarmists. Sorry, but you just lost a ton of credibility in my book. This is the equivilent of crying wolf.
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Perspective. Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:36 am

If I may say so PI, I think you're being a little disingenuous; in a manner somewhat similar to those who "debunk" chemtrails by saying we can't "prove" their existence. It's specious and unnecessary and serves only to effect division among people who NEED to form some kind of working union. My guess is that this is NOT what you really intended, because you are one of the good people. For that reason I hope you don't take offense to this post. I prefer to fight alongside my allies rather than against them.

The fact is, if Tarpley says tomorrow is Sunday I'm going to check my calendar to make sure. Not because I think he's deliberately trying to lie to me but because I know he can sometimes add 2+2 and get five. Is any truth seeker in the public eye immune from that failing on occasion? Are you and I? I think not. I'm glad Tarpley's out there and I read what he has to say, because I think it's worth it overall. Does that mean he's a good guy? I'm not sure. But it doesn't matter, because I am - and I'm the one coming to conclusions on my behalf.

As for Big Joe, I'd lay money that he sincerely believed he was doing the right thing. Do you really think he was plotting to get everyone to head for the hills with an overnight bag so he could laugh at their expense? I doubt it very much. But that's not to say his detractors weren't sincere either. It's just the way it is and we all have to work hard to maintain a clear head. God knows it's easy to be led astray.

OK, so the FF op didn't happen, but with respect, there's nothing to be gained by gloating. Read again Big Joe's threads on this topic. Misguided ultimately it may be, but there's a lot of truth in it - and that's what you and I are looking for isn't it?
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Thanks Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:34 pm

NWO:

I don't mean to gloat or divide people at all. I just think it's fair to point out that a lot of times we can become alarmists and swept up with emotion instead of logically thinking about a situation. This is a good case in point, I think we can all learn something from it. I have learned do try to be a little more tactful in my responses Smile

Thanks for posting.
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