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Thermit
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Chemplane Communication?
 Wed Nov 29, 2000 8:24 pm
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From TimeBomb2K Forum
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Subject: [OT]Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Posted By: synap (Registered User)
Member Since: March 4, 2000
Total Posts: 1773
Posted At: 11/27/00 5:20:08 pm
From IP:
FWIW just overheard a mil airjockey on 143.250mhz (Airmil freq & over area south of Tucson AZ) warning his cohort in another plane to "watch where you're flying...do you want this to show up on the internet?...in and out of the clouds!" (sheeesh, I didn't have the recorder on and don't have a cam)
At the same time commercial ATC (ABQ Ctr) was routing commercial traffic widely around the area and pilots where objecting strongly! with comments like "yeah, we see what they're doing..." and a few other choice words.
From the altitude and wind/cloud direction, I'd say these (overhead here) trails were headed to MX and SES TX where they'll catch the winter NW wind river to mid-TX
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Subject: Re: [OT]Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Posted By: synap (Registered User)
Posted At: 11/27/00 6:06:09 pm
From IP:
Jimmy--yup 133.0 ABQ Ctr is what my log sez I heard that on. The comm pilots don't usually quip back at the ATC controller on the main freq but after they tell ATC that the diversion wasn't good for them, ATC said "do it...'restrict'" and that's when ATC gets the flame I mentioned.
I've had the VOX running since but nada.
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Subject: Re: [OT]Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Posted By: synap (Registered User)
Posted At: 11/27/00 7:30:22 pm
From IP:
Y2K--I heard the chems on the 143.250 which I have as mil air to air. Mil land mobile also uses and has been heard here using that freq.
Yup, checking my FEMA freqs list I see it's also listed as a FEMA input to 139.250. Haven't figure that yet, I think it's a split RX/TX? or into a mil repeater?...not sure.
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Thermit
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Wed Nov 29, 2000 8:29 pm
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A response from [url=]Carnicom[/url] board:
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RadioEng: Registered User
Re: Overheard chemtrail pilot radio transmission
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My only comment on this is that the frequency of 143.250Mhz is assigned to FEMA and isn't a military assigned frequency for aircraft use. But in todays world and the track record of FEMA I guess anything goes.
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David
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Wed Nov 29, 2000 11:53 pm
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Thermit, there are three frequencys mentioned here for mil aircraft. Would these be the same for the rest of the country, IE: Calif? |
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Thermit
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Thu Nov 30, 2000 12:17 am
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David, except for the "133.0 ABQ Ctr" which is apparently Albuquerque, I would assume so. According to synap and RadioEng the 143.250mhz is FEMA. This information should be independently verified, of course. I personally would be surprised if they were broadcasting unscambled, but you never know... |
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LTC8K6
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Thu Nov 30, 2000 1:44 pm
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They are stupid enough to transmit in the open.
They are also dumb enough to say the code name of the operation in the open, even though there is no reason for a pilot to know the code name of the op.(cloverleaf)
They are stupid enough to "spray" at low altitude in daylight.
They are stupid enough to "mark" where they are spraying with huge symbols "written" in the sky, when we have GPS.
They can't get thousands of personnel to take a simple vaccination without a huge protest. ("Take this shot son, it's good for you.", apparently didn't work.)
They could not cover up the Iowa incident despite one hell of a try and a captive crew.
But still they have concealed a huge chemical / biological spraying operation, and have total cooperation from the personnel, even though they are spraying their own families.("Just spray this stuff son, it's good for you.", apparently this worked.)
Still not even close to believing in them. |
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Thermit
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Thu Nov 30, 2000 7:20 pm
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They are stupid enough to transmit in the open.
You said it.
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They are also dumb enough to say the code name of the operation in the open, even though there is no reason for a pilot to know the code name of the op.(cloverleaf)
Nobody mentioned any codenames in this instance. I think you must be refering to the chemplane transmission hoax.
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They are stupid enough to "spray" at low altitude in daylight.
I've never seen or seen any evidence of low altitude spraying.
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They are stupid enough to "mark" where they are spraying with huge symbols "written" in the sky, when we have GPS.
What?? Really don't know what you are talking about here...
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They can't get thousands of personnel to take a simple vaccination without a huge protest. ("Take this shot son, it's good for you.", apparently didn't work.)
Since the citizenry comprised more than a few "thousand personnel" I suppose you talking about the anthrax vaccinations? Don't understand your point.
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They could not cover up the Iowa incident despite one hell of a try and a captive crew.
Huh??
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But still they have concealed a huge chemical / biological spraying operation, and have total cooperation from the personnel, even though they are spraying their own families.("Just spray this stuff son, it's good for you.", apparently this worked.)
Well, (if real) they haven't really concealed it now have they. And if the purpose is biological inoculation I'm sure they would be proud and happy to spray their families.
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Still not even close to believing in them.
Based on the points that you made, I don't "believe" in whatever it is you think Chemtrails supposedly are, either. Perhaps you should look at the most plausable explainations, instead of the least plausable ones when you decide you don't "believe" it. I can respect your opinion, no matter what it is, if you have truely taken an honest and thorough look at the issue.
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LTC8K6
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Thu Nov 30, 2000 11:02 pm
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A lot of chemheads still believe the cloverleaf transmission to be genuine.
The Navy went to great lengths to blame the U.S.S. Iowa's turret explosion on a supposedly gay sailor's suicide, including fabricating evidence and making false statements. Including having the media believing and printing the Navy's version of events for quite a while. Navy personnel would not accept the story provided by the Navy, and questioned the official version. That's how the truth got out. Despite the fact that the Navy had control over almost all of the witnesses.
If they can't get a few privates to believe that they should take a shot without questioning it, an Air Force chemspray op that is accepted whole hog defies belief. Someone would question the operation, particularly in light of the morale in the military these days.
Marking their "spray" areas to watch for "spray dispersal" or effect is IDIOTIC! The pilot only needs to note the GPS coordinates of his "spray" for that area to be observed by satellite or by any other means. You would only have to point your sat camera at the pilot's logged GPS marks. Or note activity on the ground around those same coordinates to check for effect. "They" would already know the wind conditions in the area "they" were spraying with certainty. This would leave no telltale sky writing and would be much more accurate.
"No Lieutenant, we don't need the GPS or the wind data, we're just gonna make a giant Roman numeral 3 with the spray and try to watch where it blows."
Yeah, right!
Still no sale. Still can't believe "Chemtrails" are even contemplated by anyone.
Why are people still using Thomas as a source? Didn't the EDB debacle ruin any credibility he might have had?
Maybe I need to stop banging my head against this wall. It will feel so good when I stop!
AHHHHHH! Finally! |
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Thermit
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Thu Nov 30, 2000 11:31 pm
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Agree with you on the "marking" concept, but there is a big difference in keeping a secret that is intended to transfer blame from a guilty party onto an innocent party and a secret that is intended to protect citizens and national security.
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elvis lives
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Fri Dec 01, 2000 1:48 am
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RE: Overheard Chemplane Transmission
Thermit...That thread would make a good comic book. I will let Duncan tell you why again. This is a quote from one of his previous posts.
(1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.
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Thermit
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Fri Dec 01, 2000 2:25 am
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Elvis, I don't really understand your point, however you can read my response to Duncan's document. |
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LTC8K6
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Fri Dec 01, 2000 2:20 pm
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Thermit, your half dozen planes are really getting around! Wow! And for years too. They are "spraying" in every state in the union on the same day according to chemtrail reports. Don't forget the rest of the world and the oceans, too! Those are really good pilots, man!
You have no evidence whatsoever that Maxygen is involved in "shamtrails", yet you continue to insinuate that they are. That is most unfair.
The air in most modern jet airliners is NOT filtered when it enters the cabin. It does not get filtered until it has circulated a few times. The cabin air in a 747 is only about 50% filtered and 50% fresh air at any given moment, so passengers ARE exposed to chemicals in the atmosphere. Who started this "filtered air" garbage anyway? If you want a sample, all you need to do is ride in a 747, or better yet, one of the new 717's that uses 100% fresh cabin air. Take a jar with you. The cabin air is filtered in the same manner the air in your house would be filtered if you bought a HEPA air cleaner. It is gradually filtered as it circulates, but not when it enters.
I have never seen a pilot take off without doing a walkaround of his plane. He would immediately notice any new attachments, and he wouldn't be fooled by any cover stories.
He would need to know about the spray tanks, as their changing weight has to be accomodated to keep the plane from crashing.
You can't just tack on a tank in any old place. The CG is too important. So, again, you are insinuating that Boeing is involved without any evidence whatsoever. I really hope someone begins to spread rumors about you being involved in illegal activities. Perhaps then you would see how unfair it is. And, I hope they don't let you respond to the charges either, or they put your response on page 31 down in the corner.
When I was in the Army, you could not have gotten me to spray, pour, or sprinkle anything on anyone without my questioning it. I did not have to obey orders that violated the law. I have always been a bit nosy, and would have been asking lots of questions, I can't believe even a few thousand people would not have a few nosy busybodies amongst them.
The whole idea is utterly ridiculous. There have been and are small experiments going on from time to time. The "Chemtrails" idea is full of sound and fury, but signifies nothing. |
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Thermit
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Fri Dec 01, 2000 5:03 pm
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Thermit, your half dozen planes are really getting around! Wow! And for years too. They are "spraying" in every state in the union on the same day according to chemtrail reports. Don't forget the rest of the world and the oceans, too! Those are really good pilots, man!
That's pretty weak. I never said it was only six planes, I said six planes can cover a lot of ground. I see you continue to take the most rediculous interpretation you can to argue against.
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You have no evidence whatsoever that Maxygen is involved in "shamtrails", yet you continue to insinuate that they are. That is most unfair.
I never said Maxygen was involved in Chemtrails. Statements regarding Maxygen are simple reporting of facts.
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I have never seen a pilot take off without doing a walkaround of his plane. He would immediately notice any new attachments, and he wouldn't be fooled by any cover stories.
Weak. Weak. Weak. You seem to be dredging up the idea of commercial pilots being involved with some operation without their knowledge. I have never espoused such an idea. If you and I are having a debate, why do you keep debating points that I don't subscribe to? I guess it's because you are not interested in honest debate. Even Elvis has come up with better arguments.
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The whole idea is utterly ridiculous.
I'm not surprised you think this way, since you tend to be arguing against ridiculous ideas. Ideas that I don't advocate. |
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LTC8K6
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Fri Dec 01, 2000 7:34 pm
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We can't possibly have a debate, Thermit. I am discussing chemtrails, not your beliefs regarding chemtrails. You made some points that are also used by the chemtrail community at large. In order to actually debate you, I'd have to go to the other forum, where no one I am trying to reach would see my posts.
This is a chemtrail board and much of the chemtrail community is far more fanatical and radical in their beliefs than you are. However, you do associate yourself with them, so you also promote their ideas whether you actually believe them or not. I am glad that you are not too "ban happy", although it would be good for me.
Would you be proud and happy to "biologically inoculate", whatever that means, your family without saying a word? How many people do you think you could get to go along with you before they began to question?
Since biowar agents can be changed radically at a moment's notice, how would "they" know what to give you to spray on your family? It sure would be embarrassing to spend "X"-million dollars to inoculate the whole country against "A" and then have the enemy shoot "B" at you! Especially since the enemy will likely shoot quite a few different ones at us at once. They will not rely on 1 to do the job of disabling us.
Why would "they" inoculate the oceans?
You cannot conduct flight ops willy nilly without consulting the FAA. Even MARSA requires prior written authorization. So how are "they" avoiding collisions or near misses with the multitudes of commercial aircraft (If you think commercial aircraft aren't involved, that is.) without involving thousands of FAA personnel?
My half-dozen planes comment was tongue in cheek. I am well aware of what you meant by your original comment. I don't agree that 6 planes can cover a lot of territory, though. 6,000 wouldn't cover the reported territory on all chemtrail sites.
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authorizrd504
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Sat Dec 02, 2000 6:56 am
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This was an interesting post and a great insight to things normally not heard or seen by the ground people. I run a Bearcat trunking scanner along with a CB and any other communication device I can get my hands on. I listen to the air jocks all the time. The tower has the most interesting conversations. This is from the Austin Burgstrom International Airport (ABI) "Tower, Delta 507 you are cleared to land on 3-5 Left. Over." "Uh, Delta 507, Tower did you say 3-5 right?" "Roger. 3-5 five right. I see a heavy at the end of the turn. Over." "Uh, negative Delta 507, make landing on 3-5 left. Over." This went on until the Delta flight was on top of the last maker and making a steep approach. Finally these guys work out that the heavy was on 3-5-left and he landed on 3-5 right.
I nearly busted a gut listening to these guys. |
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