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Choking
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PENTAGON ADMITS SPRAYING SAN FRANCISCO CAL.
 Tue May 28, 2002 3:13 am
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Well, you now have proof directly from the pentagon. (below is a link to the AP story)
The US Government admitted two years ago to 113 tests of chemical and Biological weapons, tests performed on civilians and military.
It took 2 years before they released the first 6 (least damaging?) reports, the NY Times broke the story of the 6 tests on 05/23/02.
On 05/24/02 the AP broke the story that in one report the US Government slipped up and released a file mentioning the fact that the Government performed a test of Biological weapons by spraying San Francisco, the story was immediately pulled from all sources (within 30 minutes) and now can only be found in the AP archive by searching for "SHAD" which stands for Shipboard Hazard and Defense, which was the project name for the 113 tests.
Go check it out quick as it will surely be wiped out as soon as big brother gets wind of the fact it is there, print it, spread it, don't ever forget what your wonderful government has done ... here is the direct link:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020523/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/chemical_weapons_3 |
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Bonehead9
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Tue May 28, 2002 5:07 am
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This is old news. If your point is: "well they did it once they can do it again."
My repsonse is: Governments once burnt people at the stake for the practice of witchcraft. This was justified in the name of God. we have learned to behave ourselve a little better since then. but you never know "they did it once, they can do it again."
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Dan Rockwell
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Tue May 28, 2002 5:38 am
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Welcome Choking and hello Bonehead9.
One of our senior members found the story a few days ago and posted it here, but thanks for reminding me to give it a bump up before it gets lost.
US Government Admits Toxic Spraying http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001200.html
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Choking
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Tue May 28, 2002 5:41 am
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"old news" in the rumor mill, yes ....
The point was, it is the first time the government screwed up and put it on a paper that they released to the public. You now have "official" proof ...... |
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Dan Rockwell
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Tue May 28, 2002 6:29 am
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They do have a rather long history of running all kinds of tests on people without their knowledge and I wouldn't be surprised if they're at it again. |
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WiseQuakker
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Tue May 28, 2002 10:12 am
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Bonehead sez
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My repsonse is: Governments once burnt people at the stake for the practice of witchcraft. This was justified in the name of God. we have learned to behave ourselve a little better since then. but you never know "they did it once, they can do it again."
Such an incredible correlation!!! Who would have ever thought to connect the dots on those two??? Sounds to me like you are suffering from a bit of “time compression” (hey... it sounded good when it rolled off the lips of an official US Air Force spokesman, a few years back).
Then again, with Asscroft in office, you may not be that far off...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by WiseQuakker on 05-28-2002] |
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Bonehead9
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Tue May 28, 2002 4:23 pm
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OK my comparison was a bit of a hyperbole. Furthermore, I am not denying that these tests took place. What I ask you to consider, however, is that things that were done in the 1950’s and 1960’s were done in an entirely different climate of attitudes and viewpoints than today. The San Francisco tests for instance were conducted using what was thought to be at the time a harmless bacterium. This was the same era that thought asbestos was a wonder mineral, lead was an acceptable additive for paint and gasoline, It was ok to dump chemical waste directly onto the ground in Love Canal, etc.
The “war on Terror” does have some similarity to the cold war/ war on communism, but by and large, however, especially considering the litigatous nature of today’s society, I think that it would be very difficult for similar tests to be conducted. Not that it is impossible, just highly unlikely.
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Choking
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Tue May 28, 2002 6:12 pm
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The 6 tests released so far were done in the mid 1960's and late 1960's.
Any bets that the remaining 107 tests that have been admitted to but have not been released run through the 70's , 80's or even 90's ???
Also, as a person with immediate family who were exposed to these tests in the 60's, I find your comparisons of secret tests on civilians to substances that were latter found to be dangerous ludicrous.
There seems to me to be just a slight difference between the learning curve on asbestos and secret biological tests performed on civilians without their knowledge.
Admittedly it appears the US Government was testing the dispersal system and not the substance they sprayed, otherwise the death toll would have been much higher. But they still needed a substance that would make people sick enough to be able to track the results, that much is crystal clear.
Maybe you would like to volunteer your family to be unwitting guinea pigs on some more tests, then we can reverse roles and continue this pointless discussion.
Until then, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person...... |
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Bonehead9
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Tue May 28, 2002 6:50 pm
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I believe the actual agent used in the San Francisco test was Serratia marcescens. This is generally considered to be a low-virulence, non-pathogenic agent. ( http://www.chej.org/SF/biowar.html ). In fact the bacteria is commonly used in high school and college biology labs for simple experiments ( http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/bi/1993/demonstrating.html ).
The reason for this is that the bacteria readily transfers by contact and can easily and cheaply be detected (see the experiment above). It is my understanding that the test was designed to track the initial dispersal of the bacteria, and the subsequent spread of the agent through casual human contact.
Unfortunately, what the Army did not realize (I am not sure if it was only marginally understood at the time, or that they simply did not do thier homework) that aerosols of this bacteria can be dangerous when inhaled, especially to anyone with an already impaired immune system.
I don’t believe that there was any intent to make people sick and track the illnesses, the agent used was not chosen for that. That is not to say I condone the tests, I don’t. I think that they were ill conceived, and conducted under an attitude of arrogance that is almost unbelievable in its scope. Does such an attitude still exist today? Probably, but not to the extent that it once did, and that is my reason to hope that we have learned a little in the past few years.
What can we do to prevent this in the future? Just what we are doing here. Talk about it; explore the reasons why things happened the way that they did. No discussion is pointless. It’s probably a lot better than trading insults. ( http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000330.html )
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PacerLJ35
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Fri May 31, 2002 4:45 pm
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No, no no....
This, again, is a grand example of the chemtrail believers grabbing a story and stretching it to fit their agenda.
"There seems to me to be just a slight difference between the learning curve on asbestos and secret biological tests performed on civilians without their knowledge. "
Go back and re-read that story that you posted. There WAS NO TESTS DONE ON CIVILIANS. The tests were focused on how the shipboard systems dealt with an attack and how they Navy could decontaminate it. VX and biological pathogens were not sprayed on people unknowingly. If it was, there would be a lot of dead people.
"Admittedly it appears the US Government was testing the dispersal system and not the substance they sprayed"
I hate to get rude, but did you not read any of that article? They weren't testing a "dispersal system". What kind of sense does it make to spray VX and bios from a ship? Only to have the seabreeze blow it back over you? That's why in the US, nerve gas and biologicals were always in the form of artillery shells or bombs, not spray nozzles from ships.
"But they still needed a substance that would make people sick enough to be able to track the results, that much is crystal clear"
Crystal clear huh? Quote me the sentence in that article that states they were tracking the "results". They had a log, which denoted alot of things including health effects. Apparently you're looking at this from a chemtrail angle. Let me break it down for you:
This is what the test was REALLY for:
Navy has ships. Enemies have nerve gas, etc. Navy knows that people can be safe if they wear protective gear. Navy DOESN'T know how well the ship's systems will fare, or what they need to do to decontaminate the ship. Navy comes up with idea to spray ships down with actual VX and biologicals. People on ship will wear protective gear, and a log is kept to note the events. Unfortunately for Navy, some of the biologicals don't just stay on the ship.
I THINK this is what you are seeing:
Navy wants to test biological and chemical delivery system. They attach it to a ship. The ship delivery system blows it all over the area. The Navy keeps a log to see who gets sick and who doesn't, to determine how successful the delivery was.
THAT'S NOT- I REPEAT NOT- WHAT THE TEST WAS INTENDED FOR.
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PacerLJ35
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Fri May 31, 2002 4:49 pm
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Now the question to ask, and I had to tell Chem11 to think this through too....
Do you honestly think the Navy would unknowingly spray sarin on people? Answer that question. But first, think cause and effect.
Finally, the fact that the Navy sprayed it's own ships down with VX does not provide any proof that they are involved in some chemtrail operation. |
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David
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Fri May 31, 2002 6:30 pm
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"Now the question to ask, and I had to tell Chem11 to think this through too...."
Seems to me chem11 does right well in the thinking department on his own without your help pacer.
Most all on this board have that God given ability.
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Lulu
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Fri May 31, 2002 11:37 pm
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quote:
This, again, is a grand example of the chemtrail believers grabbing a story and stretching it to fit their agenda.
What agenda would that be Pacer?
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Bonehead9
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Sat Jun 01, 2002 1:41 am
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Pacer, I think we may be talking about two different series of tests here. The San Francisco tests were conducted by the Army. The SHAD tests were Navy. I was talking about the former, while the Choking's original post was actually about the later.  It was the San Francisco reference that threw me off.
It is my understanding that the Army tests were done to determine how a bio agent spreads and propagates (like the high school test that I linked to above, but on a city wide scale).
http://www.chej.org/SF/biowar.html
Again, I don't think there was any kind of deliberate attempt to harm anyone, after all it is probable that even the army officers and men involved in the tests had relatives in the test areas. I think they were just too arrogant in thinking that they understood all of the health risks involved.
As a comparison, consider the following examples from the civilian world: There are two major health and safety issues involved with the making of the movie "The Wizard of Oz." The first involved the aluminum makeup used on actor Buddy Ebson. The make up made him so sick that he was unable to to play the role of the "tin man." Do you remember the snow storm scene in the movie? Well that wasn’t snow it was asbestos!
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hitech_46253
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Sat Jun 01, 2002 4:50 pm
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Jeez C'mon GUYS!! The globalists that desire a 90% population reduction ARE running things now. Hasn't anybody seen the agenda they've written in STONE at the Georgia Guidestones? http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm No? How about the bio-chemical warfare twisted murals at the Denver International Colorado airport?? http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals.html
Somebody take a look at the OBVIOUS CHEMTRAILS laid down above the Gulf War Theatre on January 1991 http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemndis.htm
Don't you know that POPPY Bush, the former head of the CIA, COKE runner in Mena, UNMENTIONABLE CRIMES through MK-Ultra, MURDERER of our troops there in Iraq, ON AND ON AND ON, is the one behind Jr. and most of the crap that's been going on??? Don't you know he APPROVED of poisoning our troops just as he needed them to go whack Afghanistan for his OIL??? He's buddies with Hitlary Klinton and has been running this whole show folks. Connect the dots and put this thing into perspective. This is the type of reprobate mind that is capable of such. Ignorance displayed by BONEHEAD is DANGEROUS!!! We face REAL enemies with REAL DEADLY AGENDAS. Let's speak plain open truth on these things. |
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